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I haven't heard anything from Coach P that Agee's is a backup center. Perhaps he will start at his natural position power forward and allow Harper to slide over to small forward. Harper Returned to improve his chances of getting drafted. He does not have the height to play power forward in the pros.Here is my predicted starting lineup:
pg-Baker
sg-Jones
sf-Harper
pf-Agee
c-CO
With this STARTING LINEUP and the depth we have, this team can win a lot of games. GO RU
 

RUChoppin

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I haven't heard anything from Coach P that Agee's is a backup center. Perhaps he will start at his natural position power forward and allow Harper to slide over to small forward. Harper Returned to improve his chances of getting drafted. He does not have the height to play power forward in the pros.Here is my predicted starting lineup:
pg-Baker
sg-Jones
sf-Harper
pf-Agee
c-CO
With this STARTING LINEUP and the depth we have, this team can win a lot of games. GO RU

If anything, it'd be more likely Hyatt starts at the PF with Harper at the SF spot.

Agee will get minutes at the five spot, simply because it is impossible to go through a whole season with just two guys playing minutes at that position and he's the only guy on the roster other than Omoruyi/Reiber who can play that role.
 

ColonelRutgers

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I haven't heard anything from Coach P that Agee's is a backup center. Perhaps he will start at his natural position power forward and allow Harper to slide over to small forward. Harper Returned to improve his chances of getting drafted. He does not have the height to play power forward in the pros.Here is my predicted starting lineup:
pg-Baker
sg-Jones
sf-Harper
pf-Agee
c-CO
With this STARTING LINEUP and the depth we have, this team can win a lot of games. GO RU
No shot of that happening.
 

Mr. Magoo1

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Omuryi
Hyatt
Harper
Mulcahy
Baker

bench is Jones, McConnell, Agee, Reiber, Mag, Miller
 
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RU-Choppin-Ohio

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I think we need to put the brakes on with our expectations for Agee. It sounds like he competes with Reiber to back Cliff up.
That's the same with all the players on the roster. You earn your minutes. If a returning starter starts playing horribly for some reason, he'll lose his minutes until he gets it together....like Mathis last year.

The best possible scenario is for Reiber to accept this challenge, start spending a lot more time working out and get better and stronger. Same with Agee.

Every team wants incoming and returning bench players to have the mindset that they are gonna TAKE someones starting job.

Pikiell: " I play the best and I'm fair with the rest".
 
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wheezer

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I haven't heard anything from Coach P that Agee's is a backup center. Perhaps he will start at his natural position power forward and allow Harper to slide over to small forward. Harper Returned to improve his chances of getting drafted. He does not have the height to play power forward in the pros.Here is my predicted starting lineup:
pg-Baker
sg-Jones
sf-Harper
pf-Agee
c-CO
With this STARTING LINEUP and the depth we have, this team can win a lot of games. GO RU
Doubt Agee starts and unlikely for Jones also, although Jones could work into it as the season goes on
The chance of both of them starting game one, unless we are beset with injuries, should be near zero
 

needmorecowbell

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I haven't heard anything from Coach P that Agee's is a backup center. Perhaps he will start at his natural position power forward and allow Harper to slide over to small forward. Harper Returned to improve his chances of getting drafted. He does not have the height to play power forward in the pros.Here is my predicted starting lineup:
pg-Baker
sg-Jones
sf-Harper
pf-Agee
c-CO
With this STARTING LINEUP and the depth we have, this team can win a lot of games. GO RU
I don’t see Agee starting unless Harper or Hyatt gets injured. I expect Agee to play minutes at the 4 and 5 depending on match ups and foul trouble.
 

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I don’t see Agee starting unless Harper or Hyatt gets injured. I expect Agee to play minutes at the 4 and 5 depending on match ups and foul trouble.

Agree. Pike is always playing matchups. He will play both 4 and 5 depending on need. He's only 6'8" so I think both Rieber and Agee back up Cliff.
 

RUChoppin

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You have to think that both Hyatt and Agee were told they have a shot at the starting four spot.

I think he's been very consistent with the "play the best, be fair to the rest" approach.

However, the team has need of a #2 and #3 center behind Omoruyi, and the two players who will almost certainly be vying for those 12-20 minutes will be Agee and Reiber.

There are also 40 minutes available at the 4 spot, but a lot of guys who will be competing for them (Hyatt, Mag, Palmquist, Agee..... also Harper/McConnell if we go with a guard-heavy lineup at points).

Agee's best bet to see the floor is to beat out Reiber for the backup center spot, and then try to also earn minutes at the PF spot.
 

Eagleton95.99

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Seems pretty obvious that, as per always, the players will play multiple positions based on matchups, fouls, injuries, and who is playing well. Agee will play the 4 and 5. Harper will play 3 and 4. Hyatt and Cliff seem like the only two that are strongly locked into their positions with Hyatt at 4 and Cliff at 5.

Lots of unforeseen things can happen. Just for example, if Reiber plays well at the 5, Agee could play more 4. If Cliff/Reiber play well, as does Hyatt, Agee could mostly play the bench.
 

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If you take Pike at his word, which I don't because of "coach speak"

1-Mulcahy
2-Baker
3 and 4- harper and ?
5-Cliff

The ? has a good shot of being Hyatt
What coach speak are you taking about locking Paul in as a starter? It’s possible but unless his defense improves a lot he could possibly play less next year than this year. Of the returning 5, I see his PT as the most in potential jeopardy because unlike Caleb, he hurts rather than helps fill the void MJ leaves on defense. That’s going to be important because even though Cliff will improve, he won’t be as strong defensively as MJ. We’ll need to make up for it with other players on the floor.
 

RUChoppin

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What coach speak are you taking about locking Paul in as a starter? It’s possible but unless his defense improves a lot he could possibly play less next year than this year. Of the returning 5, I see his PT as the most in potential jeopardy because unlike Caleb, he hurts rather than helps fill the void MJ leaves on defense. That’s going to be important because even though Cliff will improve, he won’t be as strong defensively as MJ. We’ll need to make up for it with other players on the floor.

I'd expect Mulcahy to start out of the gate on the ball, and Baker to start off the ball. That may very well change as the season continues, but my feeling is that Muclahy will improve in the "can get better with practice/S&C" things, and we'll see some improvement on defense. The bigger question for me is can he flip the switch in his mind to start hunting his shot and looking to score, rather than looking to just dribble around and open up teammates.

I'd also expect Baker to bring up the ball plenty, with Jones playing off ball. If Mulcahy begins pulling the trigger more on catch-and-shoot opportunities, he might also play a bit off the ball - but he's not yet shown that willingness, so that locks him in more to a point guard or point forward role at the 1 or 3.

Agee's best hope of seeing the floor at the 4 would be if Reiber really comes on strong this season and locks down the 15 center minutes.
 
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I'd expect Mulcahy to start out of the gate on the ball, and Baker to start off the ball. That may very well change as the season continues, but my feeling is that Muclahy will improve in the "can get better with practice/S&C" things, and we'll see some improvement on defense. The bigger question for me is can he flip the switch in his mind to start hunting his shot and looking to score, rather than looking to just dribble around and open up teammates.

I'd also expect Baker to bring up the ball plenty, with Jones playing off ball. If Mulcahy begins pulling the trigger more on catch-and-shoot opportunities, he might also play a bit off the ball - but he's not yet shown that willingness, so that locks him in more to a point guard or point forward role at the 1 or 3.

Agee's best hope of seeing the floor at the 4 would be if Reiber really comes on strong this season and locks down the 15 center minutes.
Mulcahy did shoot more 3s near the end of the season - 21 attempts in his final 8 games (2.65 per game), 35 in the other 20 (1.75 per game)
 

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I think it'll be a ten man rotation with an asterisk: Reiber and Agee counting as one player because they'll never ever play at the same time and will change based on matchups.

The locks (8):
Baker
Mulcahy
McConnell
Harper
Hyatt
Omoruyi
Jones
Agee/Reiber

The question marks: (2 of 3 will get real playing time based on performance and team need)
Mag
Palmquist
Miller

Just don't see an 11-man rotation. Truth is at least one player will play below their expectations.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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What coach speak are you taking about locking Paul in as a starter? It’s possible but unless his defense improves a lot he could possibly play less next year than this year. Of the returning 5, I see his PT as the most in potential jeopardy because unlike Caleb, he hurts rather than helps fill the void MJ leaves on defense. That’s going to be important because even though Cliff will improve, he won’t be as strong defensively as MJ. We’ll need to make up for it with other players on the floor.
Coach speak is literal.....

I agree with your thoughts 100%!
 
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Mulcahy did shoot more 3s near the end of the season - 21 attempts in his final 8 games (2.65 per game), 35 in the other 20 (1.75 per game)
Most of them were what I called Issa 3s. Maybe a few that weren't completely wide open. Very difficult at this level to hunt 3s when you have a set shot.
 

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If we go the route of starters in that article

PG Mulcahy backup Miller
Jalen will get the chance to be the backup PG OOC, if not Baker or McConnell will run as backup, and shift rotations accordingly.

SG Baker backup McConnell
I rarely want Baker and McConnell on the same floor the %s they shoot

SF Harper backup Jones

PF Hyatt backup Mag/Agee
Agee can be 3rd-5th option PF/C if he beats out Mag and/or Reiber, and darkhorse starter at PF. He is probably 23-24 yrs old and wants to play overseas professionally like CJ Gettys.

C Cliff backup Reiber / 6th Nathan

Palmquist is a SG/SF 6th or 7th, depending on how good Miller turns out to be. It's my best guess for the coming 21-22 season.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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The only way Agee is competing with Reiber is if Reiber tremendously ups his game. He's still young and raw.
If I go by the raw stats that Agee put up….he is undersized and a poor defensive rebounder for the 5. He isn’t a threat from outside and doesn’t protect the rim.

who knows what comes of Reiber with a normal offseason and a normal preseason and a normal OOC.
 

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If I go by the raw stats that Agee put up….he is undersized and a poor defensive rebounder for the 5. He isn’t a threat from outside and doesn’t protect the rim.

who knows what comes of Reiber with a normal offseason and a normal preseason and a normal OOC.
Half the teams in the B1G had centers that were similar in height to Agee. I wonder about his 5 RPG but have no idea if he was having to defend away from the basket a lot in the Mountain West.

But he's more mobile and can score on something more than an alley-oop or dunk so there's trade-offs. If Cliff learns to stay out of foul trouble then Agee can be used a little more at the 4 spot. But B1G refs are notorious for predetermining which bigs get to stay on the floor as we saw the last few years with Myles and all the ticky tack nonsense fouls called while others could rip and arm off with no calls.
 

RUsojo

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If you take Pike at his word, which I don't because of "coach speak"

1-Mulcahy
2-Baker
3 and 4- harper and ?
5-Cliff

The ? has a good shot of being Hyatt
I think you nail it here and this will be the combo that plays the most minutes together. However, I can see Pike not starting Hyatt in OOC as the “new guy” treatment.
 

Greene Rice FIG

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I think you nail it here and this will be the combo that plays the most minutes together. However, I can see Pike not starting Hyatt in OOC as the “new guy” treatment.
I nailed nothing. I honestly think when push comes to shove Geo will be the point guard. The lineup I posted was not what I thought would be the lineup
 

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Half the teams in the B1G had centers that were similar in height to Agee. I wonder about his 5 RPG but have no idea if he was having to defend away from the basket a lot in the Mountain West.

But he's more mobile and can score on something more than an alley-oop or dunk so there's trade-offs. If Cliff learns to stay out of foul trouble then Agee can be used a little more at the 4 spot. But B1G refs are notorious for predetermining which bigs get to stay on the floor as we saw the last few years with Myles and all the ticky tack nonsense fouls called while others could rip and arm off with no calls.
I need to see him play before I call him more mobile.
 

RUChoppin

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Half the teams in the B1G had centers that were similar in height to Agee. I wonder about his 5 RPG but have no idea if he was having to defend away from the basket a lot in the Mountain West.

But he's more mobile and can score on something more than an alley-oop or dunk so there's trade-offs. If Cliff learns to stay out of foul trouble then Agee can be used a little more at the 4 spot. But B1G refs are notorious for predetermining which bigs get to stay on the floor as we saw the last few years with Myles and all the ticky tack nonsense fouls called while others could rip and arm off with no calls.

There are a few full games available on YouTube, and I've watched bits of them (not a ton, but enough to get a feel for what SJSU was trying to do, I think).

Offensively they had him ad the top of the arc functioning almost like a point-center at points, and as a screener for guards at others. He spent most of his time above the foul-line-extended, but did drop down at times to get passes in the post. When he got entry passes, they were usually 10+ feet from the basket. Their offense really didn't call for him to get the ball on the blocks. Sort of like how Clemson used Simms.

Defensively they seemed to play a lot of zone, and Agee found himself defending players on the arc quite a bit. There was some defense on back-to-the-basket bigs here and there, but not nearly what we see in the B1G with bigs demanding the ball and going to work, forcing the defense to double.

Their scheme both offensively and defensively didn't really have him establishing position down load to pull down boards. Jury's out how he'll do in that area in our program.

He definitely seems more comfortable moving with the ball away from the basket than any big on our roster the last few years, and will put up shots outside of 5 feet from the rim - which we haven't really seen much of from centers recently. Granted, it was against much worse defensive teams than he'll see here - but it's something in his toolkit.