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I guess the logical question would be, why would it be difficult? If the balloon is carrying something dangerous, then yes, it would be dangerous and difficult. If the trajectory of the balloon will cause it to crash into a populated area, then yes, it would be potentially dangerous and difficult. If the Chinese government threatened Biden Administration if it was shot down, then yes, there are consequences. But to say that shooting down a balloon is difficult is silly.
The US Air Force's top air superiority fighter, the fifth-generation F-22 Raptor, which the US military scrambled in response to the Chinese balloon, has a maximum operating altitude of over 50,000 feet, according to the Air Force. That could be pushed higher though, even if it's less than ideal.

"The F-22 is like a Lamborghini," Tannehill said. "But you don't take your Lamborghini off-roading because it wasn't meant to do that."

It could still take a shot at it. Most of the US military's air-to-air missiles weren't designed to operate as high up as a high-altitude balloon can fly because of the limits of their control surfaces, specifically the fins, wings, and tail, Tannehill said, explaining that "control surfaces lose effectiveness as you go higher." But, at lower altitudes, it could be an option.

The problem, the former naval aviator said, is that missile systems, both surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, "aren't designed to attack balloons because balloons don't look like the kind of valid targets that they were designed to attack," like enemy aircraft or missiles.

"They don't move like a cruise missile," Tannehill said of these kinds of balloons. "They look more like a cloud or chaff, and modern missiles are designed to ignore chaff," a kind of radar countermeasure.

"It's very difficult with what we have, because what we have was not meant to shoot down balloons," she said.
 

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did you fly fighters? I ask because the guy who said it's difficult did and you seem to know more than he does
No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Obviously there is probably NOTHING I would know how to do with any military technology, but I cannot believe that with a $1.9 trillion defense budget we can't shoot down a balloon. Maybe it's a little more involved than it would appear, but I cannot believe it is THAT difficult.
 

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No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Obviously there is probably NOTHING I would know how to do with any military technology, but I cannot believe that with a $1.9 trillion defense budget we can't shoot down a balloon. Maybe it's a little more involved than it would appear, but I cannot believe it is THAT difficult.
Well, I have listened to 3 military peopleon the tube who have said it would not be easy and that because this ballon is at 60k feet, the debris would be spread for miles. One General said to possibly wait till it is out over the ocean and shoot it down, then go and retrieve the vessel, Apparently the US has 12 miles of water before the ballon would be considered over international water, whatever that means...
 
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Well, I have listened to 3 military peopleon the tube who have said it would not be easy and that because this ballon is at 60k feet, the debris would be spread for miles. One General said to possibly wait till it is out over the ocean and shoot it down, then go and retrieve the vessel, Apparently the US has 12 miles of water before the ballon would be considered over international water, whatever that means...
Blah, blah, blah. The debris field argument is legitimate, but a minor concern depending on where we shoot it down. The military does many things that are not easy.
 

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Well, I have listened to 3 military peopleon the tube who have said it would not be easy and that because this ballon is at 60k feet, the debris would be spread for miles. One General said to possibly wait till it is out over the ocean and shoot it down, then go and retrieve the vessel, Apparently the US has 12 miles of water before the ballon would be considered over international water, whatever that means...
every nation controls the waters 12 miles off their coastline- after that, it's international water
 

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No, but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.
Obviously there is probably NOTHING I would know how to do with any military technology, but I cannot believe that with a $1.9 trillion defense budget we can't shoot down a balloon. Maybe it's a little more involved than it would appear, but I cannot believe it is THAT difficult.
I'm sure it could be shot down by throwing all kinds of projectiles at it. But as numerous articles have pointed out, all those projectiles will come down somewhere too. Our military leaders aren't stupid so I trust their judgement. However I also believe they're likely considering options to capture the balloon as intact as possible in order to see what sort of intelligence they can gather. We can then say "thank you" to the Chinese for the free balloon.

Also, I'm not worried about the Chinese gathering any usable intelligence from the balloon flight. The US military was tracking it long before it entered US airspace. As soon as it got there I'm sure electronic measures were used to jam the hell out of if so nothing was sent back. I also believe there's no way the balloon will exit US airspace. IMHO, once it's again over US offshore waters it'll be taken out.
 

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every nation controls the waters 12 miles off their coastline- after that, it's international water
The ballon is heading to the oceans off of the Carolinas. I suggest we get Pinegar down on the shoreline and have him ready to kick an ICBM football at the ballon. When he misses the ballon wide-right, have a military guy detonate the football! Problem solved!
 

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LET IT FLY? SHOOT IT DOWN?

According to senior administration officials, Biden initially wanted to shoot the balloon down. Some members of Congress have echoed that sentiment.

But Pentagon leaders strongly advised Biden against doing so because of risks to the safety of people on the ground, and Biden agreed.

One official said the sensor package the balloon is carrying weighs as much as 1,000 pounds. The balloon is large enough and high enough in the air that the potential debris field could stretch for miles, with no control over where it would eventually land.

For now, officials said the U.S. will monitor it, using “a variety of methods” including aircraft. The Pentagon has said the balloon isn't a military threat and doesn't give China any surveillance capabilities it doesn't already have with spy satellites.

But the U.S. is keeping its options open.

Rep. Jim Himes, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, suggested it could be valuable to try to capture the balloon to study it. “I would much rather own a Chinese surveillance balloon than be cleaning one up over a 100-square-mile debris field,” said Himes, D-Conn.

more: China balloon: Many questions about suspected spy in the sky (yahoo.com)
 

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I am inclined to listen to the military people.
I respect the military as well. While I don't think they are out right lying, I do think they are very talented at telling partial truths.
Remember, at the end of the day the military answers to civilians.
 

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Well, I have listened to 3 military peopleon the tube who have said it would not be easy and that because this ballon is at 60k feet, the debris would be spread for miles. One General said to possibly wait till it is out over the ocean and shoot it down, then go and retrieve the vessel, Apparently the US has 12 miles of water before the ballon would be considered over international water, whatever that means...
I was wondering at what altitude if any does airspace become international ?
 

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I was wondering at what altitude if any does airspace become international ?
 

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Sigint, ELINT, MASINT...and probably some imagery too. Likely some multispectral sensing and analysis; especially given its very large size. Flying at 60K ft is a lot lower than any space orbiting spy satellite. Given its reported size, you can get a lot more antenna and sensor aperture at a much lower altitude than space-based satellites, through less atmospheric/altitude interference too.

IMHO it should have been shot down, for straying into our airspace - whether on purpose or accidentally . Also, for payback for them forcing down our EP-3 in 2001. Probably too late to shoot it down now without some civilian collateral damage, as it flies over the upper midwest and Ohio Valley.
 
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The US Air Force's top air superiority fighter, the fifth-generation F-22 Raptor, which the US military scrambled in response to the Chinese balloon, has a maximum operating altitude of over 50,000 feet, according to the Air Force. That could be pushed higher though, even if it's less than ideal.

"The F-22 is like a Lamborghini," Tannehill said. "But you don't take your Lamborghini off-roading because it wasn't meant to do that."

It could still take a shot at it. Most of the US military's air-to-air missiles weren't designed to operate as high up as a high-altitude balloon can fly because of the limits of their control surfaces, specifically the fins, wings, and tail, Tannehill said, explaining that "control surfaces lose effectiveness as you go higher." But, at lower altitudes, it could be an option.

The problem, the former naval aviator said, is that missile systems, both surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, "aren't designed to attack balloons because balloons don't look like the kind of valid targets that they were designed to attack," like enemy aircraft or missiles.

"They don't move like a cruise missile," Tannehill said of these kinds of balloons. "They look more like a cloud or chaff, and modern missiles are designed to ignore chaff," a kind of radar countermeasure.

"It's very difficult with what we have, because what we have was not meant to shoot down balloons," she said.
The USAF has tested and demonstrated (with their F-15s), and has in their inventory, very high altitude air-to-satellite / anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles. Not sure if the USAF has done the same with F-22s, but certainly could have.

I'm not an AEGIS-BMD expert, but I think a SM-2 or SM-3 variant (launched from a DDG-51 class ship) could probably be reprogrammed (if it isn't already) to seek and finish that kind of lower orbiting ASAT-like target too.
 

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A little insight into why the Canadians passed on the shoot.
Spy balloons usually operate at altitudes of up to 120,000ft, but the Chinese aircraft has descended to around 46,000ft, meaning it is well within striking distance for an F-22 Raptor which can soar to 65,000ft.

However, the mission is fraught with complexity. In 1998, the Canadian air force sent up F-18 fighter jets to try and shoot down a rogue weather balloon. They fired a thousand 20-millimeter cannon rounds into it before it finally sank six days later.
 
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Balloon may be coming over north Myrtle later today. Wahooo where is my slingshot
 
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Okay just to clear things up. It is an international incident if you shoot it down over Wyoming, but not over our waters. Glad we got that straight.
 

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Shooting down a suspected Chinese spy balloon could be a lot harder than it sounds, former Navy pilot says​


  • Shooting down the suspected Chinese spy balloon is harder than it seems, a former Navy pilot told Insider.
  • Engaging it is no easy task, and attempting to do so puts people on the ground at risk, the expert said.
  • Still, there is a growing call for the balloon to be shot down.
Why doesn't the US just shoot down the suspected Chinese spy balloon floating around parts of the country like a growing chorus of GOP lawmakers, as well as former President Donald Trump, are demanding?

Because it's not that simple, a former Navy pilot told Insider.

Attempting to take out the high-altitude balloon with the air defense systems the US has is "very difficult," it's hard to engage it with fighter aircraft, and shooting it down also risks injuries and fatalities on the ground, explained Brynn Tannehill, a former naval aviator and senior technical analyst at the RAND Corporation think tank.


Balloons like the one that was spotted this week over the continental US can operate at more than 100,000 feet, and according to Tannehill, most US anti-air weapons systems were not "designed" to eliminate targets that high up.

Most systems "weren't designed to shoot down things operating at the kinds of high altitude balloons can operate at," Tannehill said, explaining that an aircraft would likely struggle to get close enough to it to get within gun range, either.

Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said on Friday that the Chinese balloon is estimated to be operating at about 60,000 feet, "well above the range of civilian air traffic or where civilian air traffic would normally fly." That puts it in range of some systems, but there are other challenges. And it is still a potential stretch for many fighter aircraft.

The US Air Force's top air superiority fighter, the fifth-generation F-22 Raptor, which the US military scrambled in response to the Chinese balloon, has a maximum operating altitude of over 50,000 feet, according to the Air Force. That could be pushed higher though, even if it's less than ideal.

"The F-22 is like a Lamborghini," Tannehill said. "But you don't take your Lamborghini off-roading because it wasn't meant to do that."

It could still take a shot at it. Most of the US military's air-to-air missiles weren't designed to operate as high up as a high-altitude balloon can fly because of the limits of their control surfaces, specifically the fins, wings, and tail, Tannehill said, explaining that "control surfaces lose effectiveness as you go higher." But, at lower altitudes, it could be an option.

The problem, the former naval aviator said, is that missile systems, both surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, "aren't designed to attack balloons because balloons don't look like the kind of valid targets that they were designed to attack," like enemy aircraft or missiles.

"They don't move like a cruise missile," Tannehill said of these kinds of balloons. "They look more like a cloud or chaff, and modern missiles are designed to ignore chaff," a kind of radar countermeasure.

"It's very difficult with what we have, because what we have was not meant to shoot down balloons," she said.

Assuming a fighter aircraft like the F-22, with its M61 Gatling gun or missiles, or an air-defense missile system could get a hit on the Chinese balloon to take it down, which is uncertain, there's still the risk of causing injuries or deaths on the ground.

The Pentagon said on Friday that US officials had considered shooting down the balloon, but that they assessed that the balloon did not pose a threat while in flight or to Americans on the ground. Steps were also taken to prevent the balloon, identified as a surveillance balloon, from gathering intelligence on sensitive military operations, making downing it less of a necessity.

The military said there were also concerns that shooting the balloon down could result in safety risks from falling debris.

And the debris in question might not be just from the balloon. "If you shoot it down, then you've got raining debris," Tannehill said, explaining that if it's shot down with the M61 Gatling gun, "you're going to be spraying 20 millimeter rounds that will continue carrying on for miles and miles that could kill someone on the ground."

If missiles are used, then there's the possibility that one would miss.

"There's still a non-trivial chance that you're going to miss, and now you have ordnance going somewhere you really don't want it to," Tannehill. She added that "the mental calculus is that the balloon floating around up there is not going to kill anyone," but the approach to taking it out could.

Still, some have urged that the Chinese balloon be shot down, despite the risks.

Miles Yu, a former China policy adviser to the Trump administration, told Insider that it's "a blatant violation of American sovereign space."

"Any foreign object entering American sovereign space without permission should be subject to be shot down immediately," said Yu, a senior fellow and director of the China Center at the Hudson Institute think tank.

Yu said that the US has the "capability" to shoot down the balloon, but doesn't have "the will."

The Chinese foreign ministry claimed on Friday that the balloon is a "civilian aircraft" primarily used for weather research and that it blew off course. The Pentagon, however, has insisted it is a surveillance balloon, but there are no immediate plans to shoot it down.


Shooting down a suspected Chinese spy balloon could be a lot harder than it sounds, former Navy pilot says (yahoo.com)
What a bunch of BS. Is our military capable of walking across the street without a guide dog? More weak rationalization for a limp you know what response. Would China have any problem or reluctance to shoot down a US weather balloon over its territory?
 
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Aren’t spy balloons in Sandy’s FACILITY. MASTER. PLAN. o_O ?
My guess is the balloon is being driven by some Chinese chick out looking for her boyfriend who went out for beers. Don’t be shocked if this balloon is spotted over The Phyrst taking pics!
 

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What a bunch of BS. Is our military capable of walking across the street without a guide dog? More weak rationalization for a limp you know what response. Would China have any problem or reluctance to shoot down a US weather balloon over its territory?
just for context, your personal military expertise was in what specialty? I just looked for some expert info, since mine wasn't in anti-air defense but rather in navigation
 

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What a bunch of BS. Is our military capable of walking across the street without a guide dog? More weak rationalization for a limp you know what response. Would China have any problem or reluctance to shoot down a US weather balloon over its territory?
Tell me you don't understand physics without telling me you don't understand physics.
 
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What a bunch of BS. Is our military capable of walking across the street without a guide dog? More weak rationalization for a limp you know what response. Would China have any problem or reluctance to shoot down a US weather balloon over its territory?

Way more valuable in tact if they can get it. Chinese (and everyone) spy with much move sophisticated software; this is almost certainly a rouse for something else….
 
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What a bunch of BS. Is our military capable of walking across the street without a guide dog? More weak rationalization for a limp you know what response. Would China have any problem or reluctance to shoot down a US weather balloon over its territory?
And as compared to the US, there's no fall out or accountability if actions taken by China's government leads to civilian casualties. That's the difference.
 

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Shooting down a suspected Chinese spy balloon could be a lot harder than it sounds, former Navy pilot says​


  • Shooting down the suspected Chinese spy balloon is harder than it seems, a former Navy pilot told Insider.
  • Engaging it is no easy task, and attempting to do so puts people on the ground at risk, the expert said.
  • Still, there is a growing call for the balloon to be shot down.
Why doesn't the US just shoot down the suspected Chinese spy balloon floating around parts of the country like a growing chorus of GOP lawmakers, as well as former President Donald Trump, are demanding?

Because it's not that simple, a former Navy pilot told Insider.

Attempting to take out the high-altitude balloon with the air defense systems the US has is "very difficult," it's hard to engage it with fighter aircraft, and shooting it down also risks injuries and fatalities on the ground, explained Brynn Tannehill, a former naval aviator and senior technical analyst at the RAND Corporation think tank.


Balloons like the one that was spotted this week over the continental US can operate at more than 100,000 feet, and according to Tannehill, most US anti-air weapons systems were not "designed" to eliminate targets that high up.

Most systems "weren't designed to shoot down things operating at the kinds of high altitude balloons can operate at," Tannehill said, explaining that an aircraft would likely struggle to get close enough to it to get within gun range, either.

Pentagon spokesman Brig. Gen. Patrick Ryder said on Friday that the Chinese balloon is estimated to be operating at about 60,000 feet, "well above the range of civilian air traffic or where civilian air traffic would normally fly." That puts it in range of some systems, but there are other challenges. And it is still a potential stretch for many fighter aircraft.

The US Air Force's top air superiority fighter, the fifth-generation F-22 Raptor, which the US military scrambled in response to the Chinese balloon, has a maximum operating altitude of over 50,000 feet, according to the Air Force. That could be pushed higher though, even if it's less than ideal.

"The F-22 is like a Lamborghini," Tannehill said. "But you don't take your Lamborghini off-roading because it wasn't meant to do that."

It could still take a shot at it. Most of the US military's air-to-air missiles weren't designed to operate as high up as a high-altitude balloon can fly because of the limits of their control surfaces, specifically the fins, wings, and tail, Tannehill said, explaining that "control surfaces lose effectiveness as you go higher." But, at lower altitudes, it could be an option.

The problem, the former naval aviator said, is that missile systems, both surface-to-air and air-to-air missiles, "aren't designed to attack balloons because balloons don't look like the kind of valid targets that they were designed to attack," like enemy aircraft or missiles.

"They don't move like a cruise missile," Tannehill said of these kinds of balloons. "They look more like a cloud or chaff, and modern missiles are designed to ignore chaff," a kind of radar countermeasure.

"It's very difficult with what we have, because what we have was not meant to shoot down balloons," she said.

Assuming a fighter aircraft like the F-22, with its M61 Gatling gun or missiles, or an air-defense missile system could get a hit on the Chinese balloon to take it down, which is uncertain, there's still the risk of causing injuries or deaths on the ground.

The Pentagon said on Friday that US officials had considered shooting down the balloon, but that they assessed that the balloon did not pose a threat while in flight or to Americans on the ground. Steps were also taken to prevent the balloon, identified as a surveillance balloon, from gathering intelligence on sensitive military operations, making downing it less of a necessity.

The military said there were also concerns that shooting the balloon down could result in safety risks from falling debris.

And the debris in question might not be just from the balloon. "If you shoot it down, then you've got raining debris," Tannehill said, explaining that if it's shot down with the M61 Gatling gun, "you're going to be spraying 20 millimeter rounds that will continue carrying on for miles and miles that could kill someone on the ground."

If missiles are used, then there's the possibility that one would miss.

"There's still a non-trivial chance that you're going to miss, and now you have ordnance going somewhere you really don't want it to," Tannehill. She added that "the mental calculus is that the balloon floating around up there is not going to kill anyone," but the approach to taking it out could.

Still, some have urged that the Chinese balloon be shot down, despite the risks.

Miles Yu, a former China policy adviser to the Trump administration, told Insider that it's "a blatant violation of American sovereign space."

"Any foreign object entering American sovereign space without permission should be subject to be shot down immediately," said Yu, a senior fellow and director of the China Center at the Hudson Institute think tank.

Yu said that the US has the "capability" to shoot down the balloon, but doesn't have "the will."

The Chinese foreign ministry claimed on Friday that the balloon is a "civilian aircraft" primarily used for weather research and that it blew off course. The Pentagon, however, has insisted it is a surveillance balloon, but there are no immediate plans to shoot it down.


Shooting down a suspected Chinese spy balloon could be a lot harder than it sounds, former Navy pilot says (yahoo.com)

This sounds like an opportunity for an exotic and really expensive defense department project.
 

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The USAF has tested and demonstrated (with their F-15s), and has in their inventory, very high altitude air-to-satellite / anti-satellite (ASAT) missiles. Not sure if the USAF has done the same with F-22s, but certainly could have.

I'm not an AEGIS-BMD expert, but I think a SM-2 or SM-3 variant (launched from a DDG-51 class ship) could probably be reprogrammed (if it isn't already) to seek and finish that kind of lower orbiting ASAT-like target too.
I remember this anti-satellite test. It was a sucess if I remeber correctly. So we could shoot it down. Other consideratins may make this a bad option.
 
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I remember this anti-satellite test. It was a sucess if I remeber correctly. So we could shoot it down. Other consideratins may make this a bad option.
Mrs. Pioneer just read me a news report (CNN? ABC?) that its crossing over North Carolina at this time. That they will likely shoot it down over the Atlantic once its far enough away from the coast. Shooting it down over the Pacific was probably a non-starter given the Chinese naval assets in the Pacific (and any on-scene conflict to recover debris); and even over rural Western USA there are too many people/buildings/infrastructure risks.

Makes sense in some ways, given that the Chinese do not have many (any?) assets in the Atlantic, like they do throughout the Pacific. Makes it easier to shoot it down in our territorial waters, and keep everyone else away; even if the Chinese attempt any "race" to the debris field, its going to be without their AF and Navy in support...unlike what we can bring to the Atlantic. A big unknown is what is really in that thing, and what kind of debris it could create. Ideally I could see our military trying to shoot the ballon out, and hope the payload(s) survive somewhat intact. Then again, the Chinese could also easily be watching, sensing, recording when we would do this in order to gain some insight into our capabilities and tactics...devious, calculating ******* they are.
 
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China may be testing the altitude limits of the USAF, i know the U-2 can attain that altitude, but i don't know it's maneuverability in such situations. Strictly a recon plane don't know if it, or a similar plane that could be in secret development, can be outfitted with light weapons.

On the other hand our intel jammed and could have intercepted and or interpreted all the data. I personally think the Chinese are testing our response systems and the US isn't taking the bait.
 
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Mrs. Pioneer just read me a news report (CNN? ABC?) that its crossing over North Carolina at this time. That they will likely shoot it down over the Atlantic once its far enough away from the coast. Shooting it down over the Pacific was probably a non-starter given the Chinese naval assets in the Pacific (and any on-scene conflict to recover debris); and even over rural Western USA there are too many people/buildings/infrastructure risks.

Makes sense in some ways, given that the Chinese do not have many (any?) assets in the Atlantic, like they do throughout the Pacific. Makes it easier to shoot it down in our territorial waters, and keep everyone else away; even if the Chinese attempt any "race" to the debris field, its going to be without their AF and Navy in support...unlike what we can bring to the Atlantic. A big unknown is what is really in that thing, and what kind of debris it could create. Ideally I could see our military trying to shoot the ballon out, and hope the payload(s) survive somewhat intact. Then again, the Chinese could also easily be watching, sensing, recording when we would do this in order to gain some insight into our capabilities and tactics...devious, calculating ******* they are.
I wonder if Vegas is taking bets on how many shots it will take to bring this thing down. Anyone got an over/ under? I say 6.5!
 

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Some spycraft 101, for those of you who need.

#1 -- Anything this ballon can possibly see (field of regard) at that altitude would be useless from an imagery standpoint compared to all other commercially available imagery sources, both electro-optical or infrared.

#2 -- Anything this ballon can possibly "sense" (signals) would require significant additional equipment in order to exfiltrate the "take" and would likely be meaningless anyway because most of the good stuff is beyond encrypted.

It's a nothing burger.
 
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