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When I saw you had responded I knew it was going be along these lines. You are the ring leader of the Cohen Does No Wrong ever shrinking crowd. Tonight was pathetic. Having to use Holder against TWO SWAC teams is pathetic. We were almost placed out of hosting contention tonight and you come in with the same ********.
Woodruff had another terrible night. Not Cohen's fault. The team, all recruited by Cohen, had the mental toughness to come back from a 5-0 deficit and win. Good for them.
And I don't know if you're confusing me with someone else or just wrong on purpose, because I've never said Cohen can "do no wrong" or anything like that. I've posted quite a few times that we sacrifice too much (Sabermetrics doesn't say never ever sacrifice - it says in general don't do it), and that tinkering with the lineup is pointless. I just don't see the point in starting yet another repetitive thread every time Cohen does something I disagree with. After all, there's a greater than 50% chance that we'll be hosting this year, so overall he's doing a great job.
In general, it's not the pro-Cohen crowd here who's clueless. The anti-Cohen crowd (like that idiot with the toilet avatar) posts such ridiculous ******** (we lost a game! We're gonna miss the NCAA Tournament) that of course I'm going to mock their stupidity. If a pro-Cohen poster did something like that, I would mock it too, but that just doesn't seem to happen.
And I don't know if you're confusing me with someone else or just wrong on purpose, because I've never said Cohen can "do no wrong" or anything like that. I've posted quite a few times that we sacrifice too much (Sabermetrics doesn't say never ever sacrifice - it says in general don't do it), and that tinkering with the lineup is pointless. I just don't see the point in starting yet another repetitive thread every time Cohen does something I disagree with. After all, there's a greater than 50% chance that we'll be hosting this year, so overall he's doing a great job.
In general, it's not the pro-Cohen crowd here who's clueless. The anti-Cohen crowd (like that idiot with the toilet avatar) posts such ridiculous ******** (we lost a game! We're gonna miss the NCAA Tournament) that of course I'm going to mock their stupidity. If a pro-Cohen poster did something like that, I would mock it too, but that just doesn't seem to happen.
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If you take Woodruff out of the equation, we did fine.
If he's as good as people say he is, he needs to see SOME action, and if not against a SWAC opponent, then who? Cohen tried to let him work his way out of a mess, and he just couldn't. The rest of our staff stepped up, and even with some bad results with RISP, we still scored 7 and won.
If he's as good as people say he is, he needs to see SOME action, and if not against a SWAC opponent, then who? Cohen tried to let him work his way out of a mess, and he just couldn't. The rest of our staff stepped up, and even with some bad results with RISP, we still scored 7 and won.
That's one of Will James's biggest issues
He makes up a group of people, then claims he's right and said group of imaginary people are wrong.
He makes up a group of people, then claims he's right and said group of imaginary people are wrong.
Man, you are a complete idiot. I am neither in a pro-Cohen crowd or an anti-Cohen crowd. I am in the we played like **** in the first couple of innings, but glad we showed some fortitude to come back and win crowd. I am also in the crowd that thinks we need to cut back on errors, cut back on hit batters and cut back on wild pitches, all of which are mental mistakes.
I actually agree with Will on this one. It is pretty sad when you have to use an All American closer against two SWAC teams. And, had we not pulled this out, it would have seriously 17ed up the season we are all hoping for. But whatever, think what you want to think. I could give two ***** about what you think and your message board credibility.
I actually agree with Will on this one. It is pretty sad when you have to use an All American closer against two SWAC teams. And, had we not pulled this out, it would have seriously 17ed up the season we are all hoping for. But whatever, think what you want to think. I could give two ***** about what you think and your message board credibility.
Exactly it funny how quotes are changed on here. Such as him going to the Pro Cohen and Anti Cohen crowds when I'm talking about the "I'm offended if Cohen is ever questioned, he is perfect and your just and dubmass" crowd.
If we had lost tonight it would pretty difficult to host. That was my point. But "Dayum we won the game geez get over it" doesn't want to put tonight in context with the last week and a half.
Are you actually trying ...
to PROVE that you can piss off each & every State fan that reads this board? Are you looking into some anger management classes? Serious questions.
#1 Cohen did NOT have to use Holder. He WANTED to give him some work after his last two outings (3/10 against C Ark, 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1BB, 3 R & 3/17 against LSU, 2.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R). He is a special talent and needed to get out on the mound again before we travel to Kentucky. It's called building his confidence. Hey, I'm no 'insider' BUT Holder was probably slated to go an inning NO MATTER WHO we were playing. Bracewell was looking good and could have easily finished.
#2 Holder's last outing against a SWAC team was 2/19 against Grambling and again, Cohen wanted to give him an inning 3 days before Perdue came to town. He pitched 1.1 with 4 SOs. If you recall, this also allowed Holer to get an AB.
#3 Pro scouts have said that Woodruff has pro potential and has the best arm on the staff. Cohen is trying to get him ready to help in SEC games. Please explain to us 'how' is susposed to do that without getting him back on the mound. Last night was a perfect opportunity.
to PROVE that you can piss off each & every State fan that reads this board? Are you looking into some anger management classes? Serious questions.
#1 Cohen did NOT have to use Holder. He WANTED to give him some work after his last two outings (3/10 against C Ark, 1.0 IP, 2 H, 1BB, 3 R & 3/17 against LSU, 2.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R). He is a special talent and needed to get out on the mound again before we travel to Kentucky. It's called building his confidence. Hey, I'm no 'insider' BUT Holder was probably slated to go an inning NO MATTER WHO we were playing. Bracewell was looking good and could have easily finished.
#2 Holder's last outing against a SWAC team was 2/19 against Grambling and again, Cohen wanted to give him an inning 3 days before Perdue came to town. He pitched 1.1 with 4 SOs. If you recall, this also allowed Holer to get an AB.
#3 Pro scouts have said that Woodruff has pro potential and has the best arm on the staff. Cohen is trying to get him ready to help in SEC games. Please explain to us 'how' is susposed to do that without getting him back on the mound. Last night was a perfect opportunity.
This post is so full of fail. Which innings again did Bracewell pitch tonight?? If you mean Gentry yeah he looked great until walking a leadoff runner. He was pulled at the right time.
#2 Wait you're telling me it's not sad that we had to, HAD TO use our closer against 2 SWAC teams?
#3 When did I say Woodruff shouldn't have started?
You were 100% sure we would finish last in the SEC last year halfway through the season, despite all evidence to thr contrary. We of course finished above .500 and probably 1 SEC win from hosting. If you don't want to label yourself anti-Cohen, fine, but you were up to your same ******** this past weekend, saying we'd miss the tournament if LSU best us Sunday.
I really hope you're trolling on purpose, or you're the least self-aware poster on this board. You're already the lamest, since you put a 34 in your original screenname before you got banned to be like Coach34. I'd hate to see someone be both.
Show me where I said we would not make the NCAAT if we lost to LSU on Sunday?
I said LSU on Sunday was a must win, making the point that in order for this team to live up to the expectations that everyone seems to have, getting swept really should be avoided, especially at home.
I also said that if we did not clean up all of the mental mistakes were making i.e. errors, hit batters, wild pitches, we would certainly be in no position to host and may not make the NCAAT. You cannot commit 3 errors in a game and hit 6 batters and expect to win the SEC. Hell, UCA showed us you cannot win the Southland Conference making 3 errors a gaime and hitting 6 batters.
In our last 8 games, we are 4-4 and have committed 13 errors and hit 18 batters. In the previous 16 games, we were 16-0 and we committed 15 errors and hit 15 batters. Mental mistakes and not necessarily our opponent's ability have cost us wins so far this year, multiple times.
I said LSU on Sunday was a must win, making the point that in order for this team to live up to the expectations that everyone seems to have, getting swept really should be avoided, especially at home.
I also said that if we did not clean up all of the mental mistakes were making i.e. errors, hit batters, wild pitches, we would certainly be in no position to host and may not make the NCAAT. You cannot commit 3 errors in a game and hit 6 batters and expect to win the SEC. Hell, UCA showed us you cannot win the Southland Conference making 3 errors a gaime and hitting 6 batters.
In our last 8 games, we are 4-4 and have committed 13 errors and hit 18 batters. In the previous 16 games, we were 16-0 and we committed 15 errors and hit 15 batters. Mental mistakes and not necessarily our opponent's ability have cost us wins so far this year, multiple times.
I actually meant ...
Chad Girodo instead of Bracewell. My mistake.
You do know that Gentry was pulled for Cox not Holder, right? Girodo replaced Cox and struck out all 3 batters he faced.
#2 Again, Girodo was 'cruising' (Girodo to p for Cox. Sean pinch hit for Bell. Sean struck out looking (1-2). Ryan struck out swinging (1-2). Justin struck out swinging (3-2)) and Holder was brought in to get some mid-week work NOT because we HAD TO. I also explained 'why' he pitched in the 2-0 win over Grambling.
#3 You said ... "Tonight was pathetic" The ONLY reason that it was only 'pathetic" was because we got behind 5-0. And, the reason we got behind was ... Cohen was trying to get Woodruff some work.
Cohen goal is to improve HIS team, NOT run up the score against Alcorn to make you happy. Giving Woodruff some work was the ONLY reason we didn't win 7-0 or 7-1.
Chad Girodo instead of Bracewell. My mistake.
You do know that Gentry was pulled for Cox not Holder, right? Girodo replaced Cox and struck out all 3 batters he faced.
#2 Again, Girodo was 'cruising' (Girodo to p for Cox. Sean pinch hit for Bell. Sean struck out looking (1-2). Ryan struck out swinging (1-2). Justin struck out swinging (3-2)) and Holder was brought in to get some mid-week work NOT because we HAD TO. I also explained 'why' he pitched in the 2-0 win over Grambling.
#3 You said ... "Tonight was pathetic" The ONLY reason that it was only 'pathetic" was because we got behind 5-0. And, the reason we got behind was ... Cohen was trying to get Woodruff some work.
Cohen goal is to improve HIS team, NOT run up the score against Alcorn to make you happy. Giving Woodruff some work was the ONLY reason we didn't win 7-0 or 7-1.
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"Almost" is the key word. Pitching to 3 batters did not hurt Holder. Cohen is not perfect, but I would not trade him. What good does constant bitching do?
You are exactly right about holder. I would have bet he would have come in whether we were up 1 or up 10. He had two out of character outings and needed confidence. I fully expected to see him last night, because if I were a coach, I'd have done the same thing with my All SEC closer after two rough outings.
Ultimately, Cohens job is to build his team and make them better and build their confidence and win more games, not simply get wins that look good on paper.
I thought you meant Gentry by your use of the word cruising. That implies over a few innings. Holder was brought in because it was a one run game in the bottom of the 9th and he's our closer. We HAD to use him. That you even contemplate keeping Girodo in for the 9th as an option is laughable. We HAD to use him against Grambling as well. It doesn't matter if he was going to pitch anyway, its pathetic that we nearly lost to a 4-18 SWAC school.
I guess you don't find our many defensive mishaps pathetic.
Disagree ...
And tired of beating a dead horse. In my opinion, Holder would have pitched an inning if it was 20-0. You do know that we have used Holder in non-save situations, right?
You Who 'likes' errors? Doesn't make it pathetic. I'm not perfect either. Neither is Cohen. BUT, at least he is trying to make the team better while you CONTINUALLY run it into the ground.
Noticed that you had ZERO to say about Woodruff and the fact that allowing him to pitch changed the complexion of the game. We came back from 5 doewn; Lesser teams would have folded.
And tired of beating a dead horse. In my opinion, Holder would have pitched an inning if it was 20-0. You do know that we have used Holder in non-save situations, right?
You Who 'likes' errors? Doesn't make it pathetic. I'm not perfect either. Neither is Cohen. BUT, at least he is trying to make the team better while you CONTINUALLY run it into the ground.
Noticed that you had ZERO to say about Woodruff and the fact that allowing him to pitch changed the complexion of the game. We came back from 5 doewn; Lesser teams would have folded.
I agree
I'm pretty sure that we were going to pitch Holder no matter what because he needs the work right now. We could have used Bracewell or Shelly if we wanted to, and either of that group could have closed the game out. Heck, considering Holder's recent outings I'm glad he got in, got a save and did well. Hopefully it will get him back on track.
I'm pretty sure that we were going to pitch Holder no matter what because he needs the work right now. We could have used Bracewell or Shelly if we wanted to, and either of that group could have closed the game out. Heck, considering Holder's recent outings I'm glad he got in, got a save and did well. Hopefully it will get him back on track.
You are literally too stupid to comprehend thought. I'm not saying only use Holder in save situations. It doesn't matter if he was going to throw. What I'm saying is that it's ridiculous to be in save situations twice against the SWAC.
"You who likes errors?" What does that even mean? What is it referencing? You are incomprehensible. What are you rambling about people being perfect for?
Nobody said it was bad to start Woody. He started, and was ******. If we can't score 5 on Alcorn then we aren't very good. The comeback was expected. Their pitching wasn't near the caliber of Grambling.
You are likely right BUT we still didn't need to even think about risking a loss to Alcorn last night and not pitch Holder because that would have been a big ol' turd in the punchbowl for our RPI come postseason.
You are right, but like I said, Holder was probably coming in, anyway. I hated the game was as close as it was, but some nights just aren't your nights. I was glad holder got a true save situation because it undoubtedly gave him much needed confidence, as did girodo and gentry. Those are bigger wins to me than simply the score of the game. We will need all those guys this weekend.
Thanks for that insightful advice.
I have been an MSU baseball fan since I was a student over 50 years ago.
Perhaps before you were born, since I don't know you.
I have "gotten over it" many times, in many sports, many decades, many games.
I do like it when we win.
I don't like it when we struggle, probably unnecessarily, to win against an inferior opponent.
If you don't like my attitude about that....get over it.
I have been an MSU baseball fan since I was a student over 50 years ago.
Perhaps before you were born, since I don't know you.
I have "gotten over it" many times, in many sports, many decades, many games.
I do like it when we win.
I don't like it when we struggle, probably unnecessarily, to win against an inferior opponent.
If you don't like my attitude about that....get over it.