Alec Baldwin kills someone on movie set

MdWIldcat55

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We don't know all the facts yet. But the past can often be a useful window into the present. Alec Baldwin is the kind of man who'd call up and threaten his 12-year-old daughter, and call her a "pig" because she didn't answer the phone at some preset moment he chose.

He's also been involved in at least a half a dozen other foolish and embarrassing episodes that show he has no self-control, the anger management skills of a two-year-old, and a gigantic sense of entitlement. See below. That doesn't mean he's responsible in this case, but it does suggest he wasn't acting with the care and maturity of a normal adult.
 

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We don't know all the facts yet. But the past can often be a useful window into the present. Alec Baldwin is the kind of man who'd call up and threaten his 12-year-old daughter, and call her a "pig" because she didn't answer the phone at some preset moment he chose.

He's also been involved in at least a half a dozen other foolish and embarrassing episodes that show he has no self-control, the anger management skills of a two-year-old, and a gigantic sense of entitlement. See below. That doesn't mean he's responsible in this case, but it does suggest he wasn't acting with the care and maturity of a normal adult.
Damn for a minute I thought you are describing some one else
 

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I don't see any way he escapes some jailtime. It doesn't matter if it was a "prop" gun and it doesn't matter if someone else accidentally put a live round in it. The person holding the gun is responsible for every round that is discharged. Period. Baldwin broke all four cardinal rules of gun safety: he didn't assume the gun was loaded, he pointed it at something he wasn't willing to destroy (presumably, or it would be murder), then he put his finger on the trigger and pulled it without making sure of his target or background.

He's going to jail, or at least he should.
This incident make me wonder about the safety protocols that are in place when guns are used on a set. If Baldwin followed any of the normal gun safety rules that you listed, this doesn't happen. But I'm also curious how a live round made it on set. Why wasn't the gun verified and triple checked by someone that knew what they were doing? (And yes, Baldwin should have known what he was doing).
 

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Not sure why they would intentionally use a "hot gun", but if they did, surely Baldwin would have been told about it. If so, Baldwin deserves more ridicule than he's received on here and I'm sure the victim's families would agree.
 

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This incident make me wonder about the safety protocols that are in place when guns are used on a set. If Baldwin followed any of the normal gun safety rules that you listed, this doesn't happen. But I'm also curious how a live round made it on set. Why wasn't the gun verified and triple checked by someone that knew what they were doing? (And yes, Baldwin should have known what he was doing).
Isn’t it someone’s job to set up and check all props used? Pretty sure some guidelines are in place.
 
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Damn for a minute I thought you are describing some one else
I'm not "describing" anyone. I'm posting confirmed facts about Alec Baldwin that accurately portray him as an angry, immature, reckless, out-of-control person.

It's relevant to this episode because a person with a different temperament would probably not be in the position of having killed someone else -- even if erroneously handed a "hot" weapon. Most stable people know to never point a gun - real or prop - at anyone, to assume it has the power to harm, to never assume it is unloaded, to never put a finger on the trigger unless you plan to shoot and to never treat any weapon as a toy.
 

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This incident make me wonder about the safety protocols that are in place when guns are used on a set. If Baldwin followed any of the normal gun safety rules that you listed, this doesn't happen. But I'm also curious how a live round made it on set. Why wasn't the gun verified and triple checked by someone that knew what they were doing? (And yes, Baldwin should have known what he was doing).
Exactly. I don't understand how, in 2021, any type of gun capable of firing any type round even makes its way onto a movie set. How hard could it be to mock up a replica of ANY weapon? Furthermore, if they are using a real gun (or even a "prop" gun), how the hell does live ammunition even get anywhere near a set?

If a pistol is to be used, just remove the f#cking barrel and add in a CGI muzzle blast with a sound effect. If it's a revolver just use snap caps, or better yet don't use ANYTHING, and then add a blast/sound effect. It really shouldn't be hard or expensive.
 

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I'll give Alec Baldwin this: as an actor in a western, I'm sure he was frequently pulling the trigger on a gun in front of the cameras. Knowing his political proclivities, he probably doesn't own a gun, so probably knows little of gun safety and protocol (except whatever briefing the prop guys give you), and was likely very dependent on the props people to be safe. If the Daily Mail is correct, it sounds like he was joking around on-set, which led to this.

This is a tragedy. I don't wish that guilt and responsibility upon anyone.
 

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Exactly. I don't understand how, in 2021, any type of gun capable of firing any type round even makes its way onto a movie set. How hard could it be to mock up a replica of ANY weapon? Furthermore, if they are using a real gun (or even a "prop" gun), how the hell does live ammunition even get anywhere near a set?

If a pistol is to be used, just remove the f#cking barrel and add in a CGI muzzle blast with a sound effect. If it's a revolver just use snap caps, or better yet don't use ANYTHING, and then add a blast/sound effect. It really shouldn't be hard or expensive.
So you are saying Baldwin probably thought the gun was safe? He thought the prop department did their job? Makes sense.
 

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I'll give Alec Baldwin this: as an actor in a western, I'm sure he was frequently pulling the trigger on a gun in front of the cameras. Knowing his political proclivities, he probably doesn't own a gun, so probably knows little of gun safety and protocol (except whatever briefing the prop guys give you), and was likely very dependent on the props people to be safe. If the Daily Mail is correct, it sounds like he was joking around on-set, which led to this.

This is a tragedy. I don't wish that guilt and responsibility upon anyone.
Good point. No matter what an innocent person lost their life. But the rush to make this political is a joke.