Alec Baldwin kills someone on movie set

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Let's not argue over who killed who...
Honestly, and me trying to be objective—it sounds like a weapon passing through several unqualified sets of hands, and into the hands of an actor who relies on the expertise of SMEs before its handed to him. I don’t know all the facts, but this is what it sounds like so far.
 
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Honestly, and me trying to be objective—it sounds like a weapon passing through several unqualified sets of hands, and into the hands of an actor who relies on the expertise of SMEs before its handed to him. I don’t know all the facts, but this is what it sounds like so far.
None of that excuses pointing a weapon directly at someone and pulling the trigger. The industry says to point off.
 

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He’s physically abusive to women, threatened and humiliated his daughter, constantly behaved like an arrogant, entitled bully, and killed a woman through reckless behavior bad.

Is that not enough to merit your disdain? Do you reserve your distaste only for the genocidal?
And that makes you one of the “worst people to walk the planet”? Well I guess that’s every 3rd woman you know almost because 1-3 women have been abused by a partner.

I kind of feel like “worst person to walk the planet” is reserved for Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Amin, Khan, any ruler from China, the Romans, Xerxes, anything related to Bosnia/Herzegovina, Alexander, Gaddafi, etc.” but I guess Alec F***ing Baldwin is in the same boat lol.

I don’t agree with his ideals either but to try and railroad this guy is crazy. And to do so is doing the same thing the “Left” is doing to people on the right.

Why do you want to be your enemy but the opposite?

“What they do is awful! We’ll do the opposite and then we’re right!”

Grow up.
 

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And that makes you one of the “worst people to walk the planet”? Well I guess that’s every 3rd woman you know almost because 1-3 women have been abused by a partner.

I kind of feel like “worst person to walk the planet” is reserved for Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Amin, Khan, any ruler from China, the Romans, Xerxes, anything related to Bosnia/Herzegovina, Alexander, Gaddafi, etc.” but I guess Alec F***ing Baldwin is in the same boat lol.

I don’t agree with his ideals either but to try and railroad this guy is crazy. And to do so is doing the same thing the “Left” is doing to people on the right.

Why do you want to be your enemy but the opposite?

“What they do is awful! We’ll do the opposite and then we’re right!”

Grow up.
I find it amusing that you have dug in on disputing the "worst person" label for Baldwin, yet all the examples you come up with -- Stalin, Hitler, Idi Amin, Ghengis Khan, Xerxes, Caligula, Milosevic, Khaddafi, are DEAD people. Even Baldwin's defenders are apparently hard pressed to name a LIVING person who is clearly worse than him. (I’d have gone with child murdering pedophiles spared execution if I were you.) But I'll throw you a bone: Among the 100 billion or so people who have EVER lived in the past several hundred thousand years, a select hand full have been worse than Alec Baldwin.

Beyond that: No one is trying to railroad him. He's a very bad human being even if all he did in this case is foolishly and tragicially violate common sense by pointing a prop gun at someone and pulling the trigger. (If the kill shot turns out to be a ricochet or the gun somehow miraculously fired without a trigger pull, I'll amend that statement.)

If your point is that it would be morally superior to wrap Baldwin in the comforting arms of forgiveness and excuse all his rotten behavior, including recklessness in this case: Sorry that's a bridge too far for me. I'll save my sympathy for the dead woman's family.
 
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You all can hate hate hate all you want because it makes you feel good about yourself apparently or something. I don’t give a touch and about you or him. I was just trying to point out the obvious which is the fact 99% of actors probably don’t check their guns before a scene. You want to hate him because of other things and this just allows you to tee off on him. Have your day. I don’t really care that much. “Billy Madison “Proceed” gif” here please.
 

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You all can hate hate hate all you want because it makes you feel good about yourself apparently or something. I don’t give a touch and about you or him. I was just trying to point out the obvious which is the fact 99% of actors probably don’t check their guns before a scene. You want to hate him because of other things and this just allows you to tee off on him. Have your day. I don’t really care that much. “Billy Madison “Proceed” gif” here please.
AEA and SAG are the two main actors unions. I linked a list of firearm safety protocols from the AEA earlier in the thread. #2 is to treat all firearms as loaded and deadly. If actors do not follow safety protocols, they are violating their own union. Other people may prove to have fault, but Baldwin violated the most important rule and a woman is dead.
 

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You know almost zero facts have come out. But don’t let that stop you from acting like you know the facts.

Almost being the key word.

There are three facts we do know regarding this situation regardless of the answers to some other questions that are still unknown like "why were live rounds on set at all". Those three facts are...

1. prop dept wasn't in possession of the gun at the time of the incident (clearly Baldwin)
2. prop dept wasn't pointing the gun at anyone at the time of the incident (clearly Baldwin)
3. prop dept didn't pull the trigger on the gun that was being handled during his incident (again, to no surprise to anyone, clearly Baldwin)

So, _Mav_ is absolutely right in his statement of fact.
 

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Reading comprehension is your friend. Why is it if someone doesn’t agree with you they are a troll? Having a different opinion is what makes discussions real.
To be fair he was right that this thread has nothing to do with Trump and by you bringing him into it you are trolling for a reaction that you know you will get.....thus the term troll.
 

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So let me make sure I have this right. If a lunatic goes on a shooting spree it isn't his fault it's because of guns and the fact that he should have never been able to get access to one. Then if an actor shoots someone on set due to the negligence of pointing a weapon at someone and pulling the trigger it is the prop dept's fault. So at any point is it ever the fault of the person with the gun in their hand that pulls the trigger?
 

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And that makes you one of the “worst people to walk the planet”? Well I guess that’s every 3rd woman you know almost because 1-3 women have been abused by a partner.

I kind of feel like “worst person to walk the planet” is reserved for Stalin, Hitler, Pot, Amin, Khan, any ruler from China, the Romans, Xerxes, anything related to Bosnia/Herzegovina, Alexander, Gaddafi, etc.” but I guess Alec F***ing Baldwin is in the same boat lol.

I don’t agree with his ideals either but to try and railroad this guy is crazy. And to do so is doing the same thing the “Left” is doing to people on the right.

Why do you want to be your enemy but the opposite?

“What they do is awful! We’ll do the opposite and then we’re right!”

Grow up.
For the record, I am against anyone on this forum trying to “railroad” Alec Baldwin. Don’t railroad him!
 

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So let me make sure I have this right. If a lunatic goes on a shooting spree it isn't his fault it's because of guns and the fact that he should have never been able to get access to one. Then if an actor shoots someone on set due to the negligence of pointing a weapon at someone and pulling the trigger it is the prop dept's fault. So at any point is it ever the fault of the person with the gun in their hand that pulls the trigger?
Dick Cheney. There may be others, but definitely Dick Cheney.

[edit: AND all law enforcement]
 

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The outrage is solely because it was Baldwin. Period. They don’t even care a woman is dead.

Of all the stupidity in this whole thread, i think this takes the cake.

The fact the woman is dead is THE reason for the outrage. If the woman doesn't get killed there is no discussion whether it was Baldwin or Meryl Streep. Is the discussion more heated because it was Baldwin? Sure, he's a POS that has talked down to gun owners, police, etc for years.
 
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I can’t stand AB but I cannot put the blame on him. You don’t treat movie guns the same as real life because you are going to point them at people you don’t intend to shoot. Is he responsible for checking the tires of a car before getting behind the wheel in a scene? If it has a blowout and kills someone who is to blame?

Most actors know very little about firearms and it’s the reason you hire people to safeguard the set. Someone is negligent but not him. At least with the facts I’ve seen so far.
 
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I can’t stand AB but I cannot put the blame on him. You don’t treat movie guns the same as real life because you are going to point them at people you don’t intend to shoot. Is he responsible for checking the tires of a car before getting behind the wheel in a scene? If it has a blowout and kills someone who is to blame?

Most actors know very little about firearms and it’s the reason you hire people to safeguard the set. Someone is negligent but not him. At least with the facts I’ve seen so far.
I would say that if you are planning on pointing the gun at people, then you’d better make sure it isn’t loaded. If you don’t know how to handle a gun, maybe leave it the f%#k alone until you’ve been given instructions. AB is not some 3 year old kid.
 

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One actor’s perspective:


I have no doubt that Baldwin has a PR team addressing this. If they are pushing the narrative to blame others to spare Alec, that is disturbing. Baldwin does not have to throw others under the bus to spin this for himself.
Reports indicate that assistant director Dave Halls told Alec the gun was a “cold gun” without any live ammunition in it but when the actor fired it, a real bullet struck two staff on set. Halls was previously fired from a movie set in 2019 after a crew member was injured by a gun.
 

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I can’t stand AB but I cannot put the blame on him. You don’t treat movie guns the same as real life because you are going to point them at people you don’t intend to shoot. Is he responsible for checking the tires of a car before getting behind the wheel in a scene? If it has a blowout and kills someone who is to blame?

Most actors know very little about firearms and it’s the reason you hire people to safeguard the set. Someone is negligent but not him. At least with the facts I’ve seen so far.
Hi Alec, it's nice to have you posting here.
 
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Reports indicate that assistant director Dave Halls told Alec the gun was a “cold gun” without any live ammunition in it but when the actor fired it, a real bullet struck two staff on set. Halls was previously fired from a movie set in 2019 after a crew member was injured by a gun.
So a guy can make a racist comment 25 years ago and his career is over but this guy is involved with an incident where someone was injured with a gun due to his negligence and he continues working? What a stupid time to be alive.
 

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Obviously we don't have all the details, not even sure if it was an actual bullet that killed this lady, or if it was something lodged behind the blank. However, if it was an actual live round how in the hell did a live round end up anywhere close to a movie set, much less chambered in a gun used in a scene?
 

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Reports indicate that assistant director Dave Halls told Alec the gun was a “cold gun” without any live ammunition in it but when the actor fired it, a real bullet struck two staff on set. Halls was previously fired from a movie set in 2019 after a crew member was injured by a gun.

lol what??? I can only assume this Halls guy is a paid Hollywood assassin because there is no way you hire this guy to keep people safe from firearms.

What a disaster. I’m assuming an Alec Baldwin amount of drugs were consumed all over this set.