Alec Baldwin kills someone on movie set

[Beatle Bum]

I'm not interested in arguing Cawood. I have my opinion and you have yours. I've read enough about the case from an unbiased perspective to share my opinion.

From everything that is being said via BBC, AP and other outlets the Director said the AD handed Baldwin the gun and yelled "cold gun". Baldwin was then showing the Director and deceased how he would complete the scene and gestured towards a camera as the scene called for. The gun discharged.

Folks are acting like he knew he had a loaded weapon and aimed it straight at this woman and shot her.

Perhaps he should have checked the gun. My only point was that this is not the industry standard. I've read multiple stories as mentioned and heard a guy in the armor business talk about this on a conservative view radio station. The industry standard is the prop team, armor and asst director manage this piece of the business.

This was an unfortunate incident...truly sad.

Anyhow, have a good day man.

The report I last saw said that Baldwin was practicing a cross draw and the gun discharged.

The Santa Fe Sheriff had a presser they have gathered 600 items of evidence and that all options are on the table regarding possible prosecution and no one has been ruled out. They said it was too early to discuss charges. Baldwin is “an active part of the investigation.”

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

I'm not interested in arguing Cawood. I have my opinion and you have yours. I've read enough about the case from an unbiased perspective to share my opinion.

From everything that is being said via BBC, AP and other outlets the Director said the AD handed Baldwin the gun and yelled "cold gun". Baldwin was then showing the Director and deceased how he would complete the scene and gestured towards a camera as the scene called for. The gun discharged.

Folks are acting like he knew he had a loaded weapon and aimed it straight at this woman and shot her.

Perhaps he should have checked the gun. My only point was that this is not the industry standard. I've read multiple stories as mentioned and heard a guy in the armor business talk about this on a conservative view radio station. The industry standard is the prop team, armor and asst director manage this piece of the business.

This was an unfortunate incident...truly sad.

Anyhow, have a good day man.

"Perhaps he should have checked the gun"....bingo.
He was the one in possession of it.
Is the bartender who serves someone too many drinks at fault for someone driving drunk and killing someone.
You're a very smart poster. Not sure how you can't see that Baldwin is responsible for his actions, regardless of how many people told him, he should have checked it himself.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Of course this was an accident. He didn't intend to do this. Didn't plan to do this.

His intention does not absolve him from responsibility. It's a very unfortunate accident. One no doubt he is absolutely sick over. Still, someone died.

 

[UK till Death]

1) Treat every gun like it's loaded
2) Any time someone hands you a gun, YOU CHECK TO SEE if it's loaded or not. You don't "take someone's word for it."
3) Only point at something if you're going to shoot it.

My dad had those "LAWS" drilled into my head by around 7 years old.

 

[Beatle Bum]

It's a very unfortunate accident.

And so easily preventable.

The Sheriff said there was an air of complacency on the set regarding safety. There is little doubt that the facts give rise to a wrongful death lawsuit that will likely be settled out of court. Seems the prosecutor and law enforcement are being thorough and meticulous with regard to criminal charges.

 

[TortElvisII]

All of you that think the gun magically went off, has your car ever magically started? Did it magically drive off?

 

[MdWIldcat55]

We're learning more, including from the Baldwin-sympathetic New York Times. And it is not good for Alec Baldwin the actor who fired the fatal bullet or Alec Baldwin the producer.

Technicians quit the production just hours before the fatal shooting in part over safety concerns. There had been two other accidental discharges in recent days on the set. The bullet, recovered from the director's shoulder, was a real .45 caliber round. The pistol was a real gun, not a "prop gun," a Colt .45 manufactured under a licensing deal in Italy. People in the crew had been target shooting with live rounds -- not clear whether the fatal gun was used -- in the hours before the mishap. Crime scene officers have confiscated hundreds of live rounds from the scene.

So, Alex Baldwin was handed what he knew -- or at least should have known -- to be a real .45-caliber handgun, not some "prop" gun impossible to fire. Checking whether a revolver is loaded should be automatic and take about two seconds. And no way it can fire without pulling the trigger - or hit anyone without pointing at her.

To me, that is more and more adding up to involuntary manslaughter - negligently causing the death of another person. Here's what a criminal defense attorney told People Magazine: Albuquerque criminal-defense attorney Erlinda Johnson tells PEOPLE involuntary manslaughter charges could potentially be brought against Baldwin. "Whoever handles the firearm has a duty to check it for any live rounds," says Johnson.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

We're learning more, including from the Baldwin-sympathetic New York Times. And it is not good for Alec Baldwin the actor who fired the fatal bullet or Alec Baldwin the producer.

Technicians quit the production just hours before the fatal shooting in part over safety concerns. There had been two other accidental discharges in recent days on the set. The bullet, recovered from the director's shoulder, was a real .45 caliber round. The pistol was a real gun, not a "prop gun," a Colt .45 manufactured under a licensing deal in Italy. People in the crew had been target shooting with live rounds -- not clear whether the fatal gun was used -- in the hours before the mishap. Crime scene officers have confiscated hundreds of live rounds from the scene.

So, Alex Baldwin was handed what he knew -- or at least should have known -- to be a real .45-caliber handgun, not some "prop" gun impossible to fire. Checking whether a revolver is loaded should be automatic and take about two seconds. And no way it can fire without pulling the trigger - or hit anyone without pointing at her.

To me, that is more and more adding up to involuntary manslaughter - negligently causing the death of another person. Here's what a criminal defense attorney told People Magazine: Albuquerque criminal-defense attorney Erlinda Johnson tells PEOPLE involuntary manslaughter charges could potentially be brought against Baldwin. "Whoever handles the firearm has a duty to check it for any live rounds," says Johnson.

Albuquerque criminal-defense attorney Erlinda Johnson tells PEOPLE involuntary manslaughter charges could potentially be brought against Baldwin. "Whoever handles the firearm has a duty to check it for any live rounds," says Johnson.

Seems most everyone understands this, yet it eludes some on here.

 

[TortElvisII]

Albuquerque criminal-defense attorney Erlinda Johnson tells PEOPLE involuntary manslaughter charges could potentially be brought against Baldwin. "Whoever handles the firearm has a duty to check it for any live rounds," says Johnson.

Seems most everyone understands this, yet it eludes some on here.

Orange man bad.

 

[thabigbluenation]

no one answered my question from yesterday, why in the world do they need an actual real gun, loaded, on a movie set? and for whatever reason that they do, why would anyone other than a trained, specifically classed on set person, ever handle a live weapon?

absolutely no reason to have a real gun on set with today's tech. just a whole lot of stupid that led to this accident and death.

 

[_Mav_]

no one answered my question from yesterday, why in the world do they need an actual real gun, loaded, on a movie set?

To heighten the drama.

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Did little Eddie leave the thread ?

Who cares....just enjoy it

 

[Beatle Bum]

no one answered my question from yesterday, why in the world do they need an actual real gun, loaded, on a movie set?

In case someone steps out of line with or crosses Alec?

 

[P19978]

Any chance we can get Baldwin to make a movie with Joe Biden?

 

[gobigbluebell]

We're learning more, including from the Baldwin-sympathetic New York Times. And it is not good for Alec Baldwin the actor who fired the fatal bullet or Alec Baldwin the producer.

Technicians quit the production just hours before the fatal shooting in part over safety concerns. There had been two other accidental discharges in recent days on the set. The bullet, recovered from the director's shoulder, was a real .45 caliber round. The pistol was a real gun, not a "prop gun," a Colt .45 manufactured under a licensing deal in Italy. People in the crew had been target shooting with live rounds -- not clear whether the fatal gun was used -- in the hours before the mishap. Crime scene officers have confiscated hundreds of live rounds from the scene.

So, Alex Baldwin was handed what he knew -- or at least should have known -- to be a real .45-caliber handgun, not some "prop" gun impossible to fire. Checking whether a revolver is loaded should be automatic and take about two seconds. And no way it can fire without pulling the trigger - or hit anyone without pointing at her.

To me, that is more and more adding up to involuntary manslaughter - negligently causing the death of another person. Here's what a criminal defense attorney told People Magazine: Albuquerque criminal-defense attorney Erlinda Johnson tells PEOPLE involuntary manslaughter charges could potentially be brought against Baldwin. "Whoever handles the firearm has a duty to check it for any live rounds," says Johnson.

Wow. What a bunch of idiots.

 

[Gromcat_rivals]

Lol. What else did you read on the internet.

Do you not think if this was real that Fox and other news outlets wouldn’t be pumping it out 24/7?

Not necessarily.

We’ve seen throughout history news outlets take part in corrupt power. I read most major papers across the globe and you’d be surprised how many lie and don’t correct it until months go by, and they place it where no one will see it (if at all). It’s routine, American media is as corrupt as any entity in the country. Why does the New York Post get thrashed and treated like a second rate paper? Because they’re really the most accurate and the major networks don’t want you to realize it. Just look at Hunters emails, it was all true. The MSM needs to be handled by the American people and soon, or they will be the downfall of the country.

I don’t know what really went down on that set, but Baldwin just proved two things.

1. He knows nothing about weapons and doesn’t need to be taken seriously when it comes to firearms. There is not a situation in this world where I would point a gun of any kind at someone and pull the trigger without checking everything first. This is 101 with guns, and I’ve been doing this a long time. When you understand guns it’s second nature. My kid knows to do this and does.

2. Baldwin is a corrupt hack that’s been using his platform as a political tool to keep his career going out west. He doesn’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth. You’ll never see him offer a debate of any kind, he’s just a corrupt megalomaniac that wants his career to continue.

 

[chroix]

Not necessarily.

We’ve seen throughout history news outlets take part in corrupt power. I read most major papers across the globe and you’d be surprised how many lie and don’t correct it until months go by, and they place it where no one will see it (if at all). It’s routine, American media is as corrupt as any entity in the country. Why does the New York Post get thrashed and treated like a second rate paper? Because they’re really the most accurate and the major networks don’t want you to realize it. Just look at Hunters emails, it was all true. The MSM needs to be handled by the American people and soon, or they will be the downfall of the country.

I don’t know what really went down on that set, but Baldwin just proved two things.

1. He knows nothing about weapons and doesn’t need to be taken seriously when it comes to firearms. There is not a situation in this world where I would point a gun of any kind at someone and pull the trigger without checking everything first. This is 101 with guns, and I’ve been doing this a long time. When you understand guns it’s second nature. My kid knows to do this and does.

2. Baldwin is a corrupt hack that’s been using his platform as a political tool to keep his career going out west. He doesn’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth. You’ll never see him offer a debate of any kind, he’s just a corrupt megalomaniac that wants his career to continue.

The person who I was referring to said that the vaccine killed and injured the people not a gun. So, yes necessarily. Maybe not in the instances you cited but that’s not what I was referring to right? Surely you can recognize the difference.

I have read other posts of yours where you talk about getting news from multiple sources, I agree with that approach. Post has been good on some stuff but clearly they skew right so have to be taken with a grain of salt just like the lefts sources. The way the Hunter Biden story broke is very interesting and media bias definitely played a role but so did the Trump admins rush to get it out. They wanted people to push it before it had been confirmed and ended up not getting the traction it deserved.

As for Baldwin as a source of gun credibility… did anybody really ever care about what he said? I don’t know. Honestly. I don’t care either.

 

[starchief]

I wasted a few minutes reading what I missed over the last few days, and this thread is a perfect example of why an intelligent, calm conversation can't be had about anything now. This thread began with nails immediately bringing politics into it and calling for Baldwin's head and the same obsessed people who ***** about right and left have continued that throughout.

It's a tragedy that never should've happened. Maybe production cut corners. That happens on small productions with tight budgets from time to time. Baldwin is a producer, so he's not out of the woods per say, however, this ultimately falls on the prop/gun guy(s) that are on set. I don't care what actors say online, most of them aren't gun experts and aren't hired to check weapons before a scene. They are given the "ok" to use the weapon by the supposed expert on set and the scene occurs. Literally no one has ever blamed Michael Massee for killing Brandon Lee. He's an actor and was handed a gun for a scene. A tragic accident then happened. In fact, the only ones who seem to want Baldwin in prison are posting here and probably on reddit. Again, it shouldn't have happened and an investigation is ongoing, but when nails and others immediately bring up Trump for whatever reason and Gassy is posting tired Hillary jokes on repeat, it's pretty clear most of you don't care about the woman who was killed or the injured director. You hate Baldwin for other reasons and are using this tragedy to do a bizarre Lock Him Up circle jerk.

A lesson all of us should learn, hopefully early in life:

If we deliberately choose to act like a butthole in life a whole lot of people are going to take great joy in seeing any kind of misery that should befall us and will consider it karma.

Be we liberal or conservative.

 

[BlueVelvetFog]

Yeah..we know you do.

 

[SDC8888]

It is the industry standard not to point a gun directly at someone.

I don't take any gratitude in that POS' misery or any other idiot in their idiocy for that matter, but the guy literally offered no understanding whatsoever when similar tragedies befell people doing their jobs in much more difficult circumstances.

He reaped what he sowed.

 

[HymanKaplan_rivals48997]

manslaughter

/thread

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

We're learning more, including from the Baldwin-sympathetic New York Times. And it is not good for Alec Baldwin the actor who fired the fatal bullet or Alec Baldwin the producer.

Technicians quit the production just hours before the fatal shooting in part over safety concerns. There had been two other accidental discharges in recent days on the set. The bullet, recovered from the director's shoulder, was a real .45 caliber round. The pistol was a real gun, not a "prop gun," a Colt .45 manufactured under a licensing deal in Italy. People in the crew had been target shooting with live rounds -- not clear whether the fatal gun was used -- in the hours before the mishap. Crime scene officers have confiscated hundreds of live rounds from the scene.

So, Alex Baldwin was handed what he knew -- or at least should have known -- to be a real .45-caliber handgun, not some "prop" gun impossible to fire. Checking whether a revolver is loaded should be automatic and take about two seconds. And no way it can fire without pulling the trigger - or hit anyone without pointing at her.

To me, that is more and more adding up to involuntary manslaughter - negligently causing the death of another person. Here's what a criminal defense attorney told People Magazine: Albuquerque criminal-defense attorney Erlinda Johnson tells PEOPLE involuntary manslaughter charges could potentially be brought against Baldwin. "Whoever handles the firearm has a duty to check it for any live rounds," says Johnson.

He is an actor so he will get 6 months of house arrest and forced to do some community service on gun safety.

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

I don't have Twitter, Facebook or Instagram but am curious if he has posted anymore nonsense about how it feels to take an innocent life.

 

[Perrin75]

Have some of you even seen a movie? It's a good thing no one ever points a gun at each other in these things. Just when you can't believe the partisan political nonsense can't get any worse, there is always a new hold my beer moment.

 

[TortElvisII]

Have some of you even seen a movie? It's a good thing no one ever points a gun at each other in these things. Just when you can't believe the partisan political nonsense can't get any worse, there is always a new hold my beer moment.

So all those guys died?

 

[SDC8888]

Have some of you even seen a movie? It's a good thing no one ever points a gun at each other in these things. Just when you can't believe the partisan political nonsense can't get any worse, there is always a new hold my beer moment.

They don't use real guns capable of firing real bullets for such cinematography.

https://www.tmz.com/videos/2021-10-25-102221-steve-wolf-1277643/

 

[_Mav_]

manslaughter

/thread

Now that the Clown has effectively, succinctly, aptly, and mercifully closed the discussion, we've moved to the meme portion of the thread...

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*h/t to a random Little Joe Cartwright twitter post

 

[TortElvisII]

 

[Ryan Lemonds Hair]

Now that the Clown has effectively, succinctly, aptly, and mercifully closed the discussion, we've moved to the meme portion of the thread...

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*h/t to a random Little Joe Cartwright twitter post

That was a great show

 

[BlueRaider22]

Have some of you even seen a movie? It's a good thing no one ever points a gun at each other in these things. Just when you can't believe the partisan political nonsense can't get any worse, there is always a new hold my beer moment.

All the more reason why with "movie magic" there shouldn't be any real/unaltered firearms on set.....let alone live ammunition.

Not to mention with the scene above. If those are real/unaltered firearms. The armorer should have checked them. Glover should've checked his. Gibson should've checked his. Li should've checked his. And all 3 should have clear line of sights so that nobody is behind them. Fingers should remain off the triggers until the camera is rolling.

 

[Beatle Bum]

I don't have Twitter, Facebook or Instagram but am curious if he has posted anymore nonsense about how it feels to take an innocent life.

He has retweeted two articles that emphasize he was told it was “cold.”

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

He has retweeted two articles that emphasize he was told it was “cold.”

Of course....taking no accountability.

 

[Beatle Bum]

Baldwin’s PR team has reportedly been pushing total blame on the armorer. She now pushes back to Baldwin, as producer.

https://news.yahoo.com/rust-armorer-breaks-silence-alec-114928316.html

 

[BlueRaider22]

Of course....taking no accountability.

Agreed. A mechanic might deem a car safe, but he does not get in trouble if some driver runs over a pedestrian.

 

[Beatle Bum]

When Dick Cheney shot a friend, Hollywood did not hold back making fun of the situation. I am sure Ed led a bunch of writing campaigns against these shows and people (Obama included).

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney_hunting_accident

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Baldwin’s PR team has reportedly been pushing total blame on the armorer. She now pushes back to Baldwin, as producer.

https://news.yahoo.com/rust-armorer-breaks-silence-alec-114928316.html

Sounds like there was not very much professionialiam in some areas. A crew quitting for safety reasons should have been a red flag for everyone involved.

 

[Perrin75]

1. Actors point guns at each other all the time on movie sets
2. A gun on the set is usually loaded with either 1) real ammo, 2) blanks or 3) Dummies. An actor can check the gun all the want and it won't make a bit of difference because they the cartridges will all look the same. It is Hollywood and it is supposed to look real. That is why there are trained professionals to ensure the safety of everyone on set.
3. They are acting, which means their fingers are going to be on the trigger and often the triggers are going to get pulled. Which is the whole point of using blank and/or dummy cartridges. Also the reason that there are trained professionals on set.
4. This has already all happened before. Brandon Lee was accidentally shot on set. It was deemed an accident and no charges were filed. They will look to see if someone purposefully loaded live ammo, or if one of the trained members of the crew were completely negligent, otherwise no charges will be filed. If the family sues, they will sue the studio and it will get settled out of court. An actor working with what they thought was a prop gun will certainly not be charged but will most likely face a lifetime of anguish.

 

[JohnBlue]

The armorer is the one responsible, she loaded the gun with live ammo, not an actor.

 

[Beatle Bum]

1. Actors point guns at each other all the time on movie sets
2. A gun on the set is usually loaded with either 1) real ammo, 2) blanks or 3) Dummies. An actor can check the gun all the want and it won't make a bit of difference because they the cartridges will all look the same. It is Hollywood and it is supposed to look real. That is why there are trained professionals to ensure the safety of everyone on set.
3. They are acting, which means their fingers are going to be on the trigger and often the triggers are going to get pulled. Which is the whole point of using blank and/or dummy cartridges. Also the reason that there are trained professionals on set.
4. This has already all happened before. Brandon Lee was accidentally shot on set. It was deemed an accident and no charges were filed. They will look to see if someone purposefully loaded live ammo, or if one of the trained members of the crew were completely negligent, otherwise no charges will be filed. If the family sues, they will sue the studio and it will get settled out of court. An actor working with what they thought was a prop gun will certainly not be charged but will most likely face a lifetime of anguish.

Well, much of this belies what the experts are saying. For example, one expert said they never use real guns, but only prop guns that shoot blanks, but cannot close when loaded with real ammo.

The idea that a person cannot tell the difference between a armored bullet and blank is hard to believe. Anyone handling a prop gun should be educated as to the difference. A “cold gun,” as was declared on the set, is not loaded. Any actor or rube can check to see if the gun is a “cold gun.”

 

[Beatle Bum]

The armorer is the one responsible, she loaded the gun with live ammo, not an actor.

She says she did not.