All of this is actually about OM's recent success.

[was21]

It's not about Mississippi State or Dan Mullen. It's sad. They are laughing their asses off and I don't blame them. They have always enjoyed "bamboozling" State and here they are doing it yet again. Some things never change. Until we make decisions that are best for us and not because of fear of what they're doing or not doing, the better off we will be. I probably won't live to see it.

 

[121Josey]

More like the success of the rest of the SEC (minus UPig (for now)).

 

[was21]

I'll stand by my post...thanks anyway

 

[JungRebel]

I haven't posted regarding this discussion until now, but I think the OP is correct, and I think Ole Miss would be ready to fire Dan Mullen for the SAME reasons if the roles were reversed and he was coaching UM while Freeze was in Starkville.

Freeze could easily fall flat on his face and Mullen could turn it around - fact is that it is TOO EARLY TO TELL for both cases. I think MSU fans have legitimate concerns about Mullen, but I also agree with the OP that OM's perceived success (read: not actual for the most part, but perceived) is what is killing MSU fans' patience. Also, the perceived limited availability of HUD is likely causing others to be impatient, but that too is a perception and not a sure thing. Truth be told, I bet Mullen could win 10 games at ULALA too if he had gone straight there from Florida full of ambition.

 

[121Josey]

I haven't posted regarding this discussion until now, but I think the OP is correct, and I think Ole Miss would be ready to fire Dan Mullen for the SAME reasons if the roles were reversed and he was coaching UM while Freeze was in Starkville.

Freeze could easily fall flat on his face and Mullen could turn it around - fact is that it is TOO EARLY TO TELL for both cases. I think MSU fans have legitimate concerns about Mullen, but I also agree with the OP that OM's perceived success (read: not actual for the most part, but perceived) is what is killing MSU fans' patience. Also, the perceived limited availability of HUD is likely causing others to be impatient, but that too is a perception and not a sure thing. Truth be told, I bet Mullen could win 10 games at ULALA too if he had gone straight there from Florida full of ambition.

It is too early to tell about Freeze. See here. Not too early on Mullen. Mullen might get one 10-win season, but he ain't touching a program he doesn't consider at least a lateral move.

Here's your example if the situation were reversed (remember 2 Cotton Bowls):

[h=1]2010 Ole Miss Rebels Football Schedule[/h] Final Record: 5-7, 2-6 (SEC)
Date		Opponent	Result	Tickets
Saturday Sept. 4		Jacksonville State Gamecocks Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Lost 49-48 (OT)	---
Saturday Sept. 11		at Tulane Green Wave Louisiana Superdome, New Orleans, LA	Won 27-13	---
Saturday Sept. 18		Vanderbilt Commodores Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Lost 28-14	---
Saturday Sept. 25		Fresno State Bulldogs Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Won 55-38	---
Saturday Oct. 2		Kentucky Wildcats Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Won 42-35	---
Saturday Oct. 9	---	Open Date	---	---
Saturday Oct. 16		at Alabama Crimson Tide Bryant-Denny Stadium, Tuscaloosa, AL	Lost 23-10	---
Saturday Oct. 23		at Arkansas Razorbacks D.W.R. Razorback Stadium, Fayetteville, AR	Lost 38-24	---
Saturday Oct. 30		Auburn Tigers Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Lost 51-31	---
Saturday Nov. 6		Louisiana's Ragin' Cajuns Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Won 43-21	---
Saturday Nov. 13		at Tennessee Volunteers Neyland Stadium, Knoxville, TN	Lost 52-14	---
Saturday Nov. 20		at LSU Tigers Tiger Stadium, Baton Rouge, LA	Lost 43-36	---
Saturday Nov. 27		Mississippi State Bulldogs Vaught-Hemingway Stadium, Oxford, MS	Lost 31-23

<tbody>
</tbody>

 

[engie]

Each of our improvements put the other under a microscope. What part of this is supposed to be a revelation? Why does their improvement in many aspects, showing us how much better we can/should be in those same ways, have to be presented as a BAD motivator? It's a good motivator.

Yeah -- if they still sucked 2011 style -- and we were going to get to 6 regardless -- it would probably put a little less pressure on Mullen. But should it? The fact of the matter is -- they were completely gone for 2 years. Slim odds that we ever have a better chance to effectively "put them away" than we had there. The fact that Mullen failed to get that done on ANY level whatsoever is an indictment of HIM -- not an indictment of them...

Of course, you are still selling that Dan Mullen is 100% the correct answer for MSU and the best thing that we could ever hope for -- when Freeze has kicked his *** on and off the field since day 1 -- so I don't expect you to "get it" at this point. I imagine that you'll be alot closer to getting it on November 28th.

 

[ronpolk]

It's not about Mississippi State or Dan Mullen. It's sad. They are laughing their asses off and I don't blame them. They have always enjoyed "bamboozling" State and here they are doing it yet again. Some things never change. Until we make decisions that are best for us and not because of fear of what they're doing or not doing, the better off we will be. I probably won't live to see it.

I agree to an extent. Some are pissed that OM is good again. However, a large problem is Mullen was more competitive with ranked teams in year 1 vs year 5. I know that's a problem for a lot of people.

 

[was21]

What you and I agree on is that we both want State to win in football

 

[thatsbaseball]

Have you actually watched one of our games or checked in on our (diamonds in the rough) recruiting ?

 

[deadheaddawg]

I am counting 4-8 and 1-7 on that Ole Miss 2010 results

 

[was21]

What??

 

[engie]

I agree to an extent. Some are pissed that OM is good again. However, a large problem is Mullen was more competitive with ranked teams in year 1 vs year 5. I know that's a problem for a lot of people.

Correct. Mullen's biggest "problems" are not related to Ole Miss. I'm going to pull betting lines at some point to show how we've regressed in all the games we play. The ones I've looked at thusfar are eye-popping. Vegas thinks we're 7-10 points worse right now that we were in 2011.

Ole Miss being good and kicking our tail in recruiting does throw gas on the fire though. We can't afford patience because there's already a gap there on the field when we're the more talented team top to bottom IMO(showing the gap in actual coaching) -- while they are mopping the floor with us in recruiting.

 

[121Josey]

I am counting 4-8 and 1-7 on that Ole Miss 2010 results

Good catch. I just copied and pasted. lol. Must be that 2010 crootin' chammy.**

 

[57stratdawg]

**

You forgot those.

 

[DerHntr]

Yeah, absolutely falling apart at the end of last season and starting this one by not scoring a TD against OSU had nothing to do with it. Not an MSU or Dan Mullen thing at all. Nothing to see here.

 

[rabiddawg]

I think most on here would be very happy to have the same Dan Mullen that we had in '09 and '10 back. Truth be told he doesn't exist. Hasn't existed since that day in Jacksonville when we beat the ever lovin **** out of Michigan in front of a shocked national TV audience. Also someone else missing from that day..............I think his name is Hudspeth or something like that. And another guy named Diaz. Mullen's teams haven't been the same without those two guys.

 

[ronpolk]

I think most on here would be very happy to have the same Dan Mullen that we had in '09 and '10 back. Truth be told he doesn't exist. Hasn't existed since that day in Jacksonville when we beat the ever lovin **** out of Michigan in front of a shocked national TV audience. Also someone else missing from that day..............I think his name is Hudspeth or something like that. And another guy named Diaz. Mullen's teams haven't been the same without those two guys.

There were also several NFL players missing, in addition to Hud and Diaz.

 

[patdog]

No. What it's all about is the direction the program is heading. We struggle to beat bad teams and we get embarrassed by good ones. Our best wins the last 2+ years are LA Tech/Wake Forest (11), Middle Tennessee (12) and Bowling Green (13). Our best SEC win was over a 5-7 Kentucky team. Our only close loss to a good team was South Carolina in 2011. If someone had told you right after we blew Michigan out that this is where we would be in mid-2013, would you have been happy or disappointed?

 

[ronpolk]

No. What it's all about is the direction the program is heading. We struggle to beat bad teams and we get embarrassed by good ones. Our best wins the last 2+ years are LA Tech/Wake Forest (11), Middle Tennessee (12) and Bowling Green (13). Our best SEC win was over a 5-7 Kentucky team. Our only close loss to a good team was South Carolina in 2011. If someone had told you right after we blew Michigan out that this is where we would be in mid-2013, would you have been happy or disappointed?

Do you not consider the loss to Auburn a close loss to a good team?

 

[Hankp22]

My assessment of the current state of Mississippi State football is independent of Ole Miss.

 

[TheStateUofMS]

SHUT THE 17 UP! I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ONCE ABOUT UM ONCE DURING OUR DEBACLE

It's not about Mississippi State or Dan Mullen. It's sad. They are laughing their asses off and I don't blame them. They have always enjoyed "bamboozling" State and here they are doing it yet again. Some things never change. Until we make decisions that are best for us and not because of fear of what they're doing or not doing, the better off we will be. I probably won't live to see it.

YOU ARE THE ONE OBSESSED WITH OLE MISS APPARENTLY. I AM UPSET AT THE 17'N PEICE OF **** PRODUCT THAT GOES ON THE FIELD THAT CAN'T BREAK A HUDDLE WITH 11 GUYS IN IT. THE TEAM THAT RUNS A FG UNIT ON THE FIELD AFTER AN UNDERNEATH ROUTE WITH 12 SECONDS LEFT AND NO TOs. THE TEAM THAT SAT BACK AND LET A GOOD AUB TEAM WE SHOULDA BEAT BY 2 TDS DINK AND DUNK US WITH A ****** QB UNDER 2MIN BECAUSE OUR COACH HAS NO BALLS. THE TEAM THAT BARELY HANGS ON TO BEAT BGSU BECAUSE OUR COACH ONCE AGAIN HAS NO BALLS. THE TEAM THAT LET KENTUCKY BACK IN THE GAME BECAUSE OUR COACH HAS NO BALLS. THE TEAM THAT NEVER MAKES ADJUSTMENTS. THE TEAM THAT HASN'T BEATEN A HALFWAY DECENT TEAM IN 3 YEARS. WHAT THE 17 DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH OLE MISS. I'VE NEVER EVER THOUGHT OF YOU IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT AS A POSTER ON THIS BOARD AND NOW I DO. GO THE 17 HOME.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

Also someone else missing from that day..............I think his name is Hudspeth or something like that. And another guy named Diaz. Mullen's teams haven't been the same without those two guys.

bingo. MSU was on a tear in 2010 with excellent coordinators. It immediately began to turn around when they left. 2011 ended in the Music City Bowl with an overmatched Wake Forest team making a game out it. 2012 ended in complete and everlasting disaster after Alabama. And there has been little fight in the team minus the first half against LSU. Each year is getting worse. If that receiver in the Bowling green game makes that catch that hit him in the chest or Whitley is still in to miss that shoestring tackle with KY, we are sitting here with two wins against pitiful teams.

Mullin's strength turned out to be good coordinators. And it looks like his strength at Utah and Florida was a great head coach.

If Stricklin doesn't want to fire Dan, then the coordinator team from 2010 needs to be reunited. Make an investment in Hudspeth at a price that will bring him back and make everyone clear the offense is his. It will just suck to be paying our ST coach 2.6 million dollars.

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

. If someone had told you right after we blew Michigan out that this is where we would be in mid-2013, would you have been happy or disappointed?

if someone told me that after the Gator Bowl, I would have laughed all the way down the ramp and back to the Water Taxi. Hell they may have thrown me overboard.

 

[was21]

whoa

 

[thatsbaseball]

When you`ve hit absolutely rock bottom trying to make excuses for the inexcusable like you have with Dan Mullen, how exactly do you expect people to react ? It`s like you`re throwing everything you can think of against the wall to see if any of it will stick.

 

[was21]

You and I are in agreement that we want State to win in football.

 

[SPMT]

Hud didnt coach in the Gator bowl. I distinctly remember people bitching about our wr that season. Then everyone thought they were awesome during gator bowl with Mirando coaching them.

Diaz......hype. Sure we had a solid unit. The unit was laden with multiple upperclassmen nfl people. Diaz was awful at UT. I predict he never gets another big time dc job.

The truth is that we had better players that season in relation to our competition than we do now.

 

[00Dawg]

If that's all you told me, I would've been disappointed. Had you thrown in that we would be riding a 3-year bowl streak, I'd have taken it in a heartbeat and started blocking off holiday vacation time years in advance.

 

[cheewgumm]

So you are saying that ole miss, who beat us 45-0 last year... Who is decimating us in recruiting is laughing at us because they think we are making a mistake wanting to get rid of a coach they are lapping in recruiting and just destroyed on the field?

And you think we( not you) are the ones falling for it?

Interesting theory.

I bet they really laughed when we got rid of croom.

It's not about Mississippi State or Dan Mullen. It's sad. They are laughing their asses off and I don't blame them. They have always enjoyed "bamboozling" State and here they are doing it yet again. Some things never change. Until we make decisions that are best for us and not because of fear of what they're doing or not doing, the better off we will be. I probably won't live to see it.

 

[OzarkaNSW]

i can't tell if you're joking but i don't think we lost 45-0 last year

 

[Strike.sixpack]

He must be having flash backs to Croom's last game.

 

[Tin Cup Cowboy]

I'm not even going to read the replies in this thread. I'll just say this....

if Ole Miss has the slightest thing to do with your feelings on this situation, that's a YOU problem. Ole Miss has zero to do with this.

I'll revise my saying: Some of our fans are bigger fans of our coaches than they are MSU. And bunches of our fans are bigger fans of Ole Miss's failure than they are MSU.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

That is probably true for sections of the fan base. But you have to agree there is also a section who want him fired mainly because of UM having success. Or mainly because they are afraid we wont get the coach they would love to have here instead. Two different sides of the issue but both coming from the exact same emotion.

 

[stinkfoot]

This notion was discussed in a previous thread,.....

and I agree w/ the consensus that neither school is ever going to put the other away for any length of time. The rivalry will swing back and forth:

Slim odds that we ever have a better chance to effectively "put them away" than we had there. The fact that Mullen failed to get that done on ANY level whatsoever is an indictment of HIM -- not an indictment of them...

And quite frankly, Mullen did a good job of dominating OM for a short time. Mullen's high water mark had coordinators that could recruit well too. Brewster, Wilson, and Hud seemed to be better than what you have now. Believing in the zero sum game of putting away your rival clouds judgment.

 

[Tin Cup Cowboy]

I agree with this 100%

a section who want him fired mainly because of UM having success

But - if that is the reason they want him fired then that is just ridiculous.

 

[boatsandhoes]

It has nothing to do with om for me. I just want to see us play with some heart, desire, and purpose. It's hard to get me to not watch a state game, I turned it off Saturday midway through the 3rd.

I'm cool with waiting to see how the season turns out. We better get it together though because we're not going to beat anyone playing the way we are, and thanksgiving won't matter one way or the other.

 

[CookieMonster.sixpack]

That's a terrible argument. What Ole Miss does is important because they are our equal in conference. If they can sign a top class, then we can. If we can go to Atlanta, then they can. So when we see them experiencing success, it's only natural to expect that same success from our staff. That's not obsession, it's realistic expectation.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

That's true to a degree and be reasonable stance if they were not our most hated rival. Because of that emotion it skews people's rationale. Without a lot of emotion it's a true statement. Because of the hate toward them everything becomes magnified. The good and the bad.

 

[OliveBranchDAWG]

YOU ARE THE ONE OBSESSED WITH OLE MISS APPARENTLY. I AM UPSET AT THE 17'N PEICE OF **** PRODUCT THAT GOES ON THE FIELD THAT CAN'T BREAK A HUDDLE WITH 11 GUYS IN IT. THE TEAM THAT RUNS A FG UNIT ON THE FIELD AFTER AN UNDERNEATH ROUTE WITH 12 SECONDS LEFT AND NO TOs. THE TEAM THAT SAT BACK AND LET A GOOD AUB TEAM WE SHOULDA BEAT BY 2 TDS DINK AND DUNK US WITH A ****** QB UNDER 2MIN BECAUSE OUR COACH HAS NO BALLS. THE TEAM THAT BARELY HANGS ON TO BEAT BGSU BECAUSE OUR COACH ONCE AGAIN HAS NO BALLS. THE TEAM THAT LET KENTUCKY BACK IN THE GAME BECAUSE OUR COACH HAS NO BALLS. THE TEAM THAT NEVER MAKES ADJUSTMENTS. THE TEAM THAT HASN'T BEATEN A HALFWAY DECENT TEAM IN 3 YEARS. WHAT THE 17 DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH OLE MISS. I'VE NEVER EVER THOUGHT OF YOU IN A NEGATIVE LIGHT AS A POSTER ON THIS BOARD AND NOW I DO. GO THE 17 HOME.

Bravo. Post of the day. Could not agree more.

 

[The Peeper]

My feelings have NOTHING to do w/ Ole Miss Rebel Black Shark Fin Up Land Bears. My beef is w/ receivers that drop balls, OL that jump snap counts, a center that stares at an Auburn lineman 3' offsides and doesn't snap the ball or an offsides where the official calls it on "everybody but the center", DB's that are beaten and end up chasing receivers down the field w/ their backs to the QB w/ no idea where the ball is, field goal kickers that consistently trot out for 7 games and miss chip shots w/out being replaced, offensive play calling that is about as imaginative as a middle school, clock management that makes Les Miles look intelligent (not just this past Saturday, its consistently bad), embarrassing damned "hair" videos, Columbus Orhopaedic apps for cell phones (who wants a damned app for a Drs office?), cartoon fire trucks racing dune buggy's every week, etc etc etc. Athletic Directors (ours is the chairman of the committee) are concerned about getting butts to the stadium and into seats. I, for one, am going to take a long look after this season at what I spend on tickets, Bulldog Club donations, gasoline, hotels, tailgating expenses, etc and weigh that against what I've seen on the field for the last 2 seasons and unless things look dramatically different come time to reorder tickets, I'm cutting back drastically before next season.