Alright basketball people

[Todd4State]

Now, I'm no John Wooden- although I can tie my shoes- but even I can see that we aren't playing good defense or rebounding. We haven't all year.

So, my question is this- how is that corrected? Am I correct when I say that defense and rebounding are as much about attitude as anything?

Our offense may very well be stupid, lame, disorganized, whatever- but regardless, we have guys that can score. Renardo, Dee, Ravern, and even Kodi can score. But if we would just play good defense and rebound, we would be SOOOOO much better.

 

[Todd4State]

Now, I'm no John Wooden- although I can tie my shoes- but even I can see that we aren't playing good defense or rebounding. We haven't all year.

So, my question is this- how is that corrected? Am I correct when I say that defense and rebounding are as much about attitude as anything?

Our offense may very well be stupid, lame, disorganized, whatever- but regardless, we have guys that can score. Renardo, Dee, Ravern, and even Kodi can score. But if we would just play good defense and rebound, we would be SOOOOO much better.

 

[dpaul6]

Rebounding is about effort. Period. Our players dont care and Rick Crooms doesnt do anything to make them care.

 

[was21]

but would have a difficult time disagreeing with your comments.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Get some different players!
Same coach we have had for 13 or so years, and his trademark has been hustle, rebounding and D. This group is just not getting it.

Stans bet everything on Sidney and Bost getting back in, then the fight, and things just have not worked,
nor are they this year.

 

[o_fredgarvin]

And hope the ones on the bench with the talent finally light their own fire

 

[jamdawg96]

And this goes back to the coach. There's no way 17ING POSSIBLE to get outrebounded that bad if you consistently block out. If they're more athletic, more talented, whatever... you can still block out and draw the occasional foul. You might not have an edge on the boards, but you won't get doubled up. And you sure as **** won't allow nearly as many offensive rebounds as you have total rebounds. It's fundamental because it's SIMPLE. Stay between your man and the goal. Effort is all it takes. If we can't get that kind of effort then we need someone else guiding this team. We don't pick up in transition D either. No communicating, no hustle back down the court. It's pathetic.<div>
</div><div>You're right, we have the scorers. Our offense has never been complex, but we have guys who can finish and guys who can shoot. By playing better defense and rebounding, we'll have more possessions and thus, hopefully, score more points. It isn't rocket science. Rick's philosophy is recruit high talent and let them play, but in the past he's taught them how to defend and rebound with effort and fundamentals. That isn't the case now and it's sickening to watch.</div><div>
</div><div>ETA: The exception is Dee Bost. He occasionally takes a bad deep shot, but half the time they go in. He hustles on defense and forces turnovers. He creates a number of opportunities for guys on offense, including himself, at the rim and on the perimeter. But no one else looks like they're talking out there. Kodi had too many dumb fouls. Sidney looked like he was trying to use Georgia defenders as a recliner. This team regressed today and I hope there's someone in that locker room who was as disgusted as we all are.</div>

 

[shsdawg]

has always been defense and rebounding. Rick's no different now than he was then.

 

[jamdawg96]

now we don't have the rebounding or defense. So I'd say it's a little different. The only "trademark" we have now is laziness.

 

[shsdawg]

use a bit of logic.

 

[afred]

Time for Billy Kennedy from Murray State step in to the big leagues

 

[jamdawg96]

Instead of using the word "logic" as a blanket. That's not very logical. I'd check our defense and rebounding numbers over the years.

 

[vicious]

All of you people are talking about lack of effort regarding a team that can't take the time to wear warm ups to a game they are all attending. How much effort would ithave taken to look like a team? Funny that you expect a team and coaches that can't give enough effort to look in the closet instead of the underwear drawer...and you're surprised???? In chorus now in your Mississippi redneck way..."oh uh dress don't matter man"....! What a crock some of you are. You have no idea how important it is to take care of the little things!

 

[RocketCityDawg]

[Appropriate metaphor, that] is no way to win.

 

[shsdawg]

say, the Bowers years? It ain't Rick. Now if you want to blame him for who we have on the court now vs then then that's fair game.

 

[shsdawg]

not really. You either do or you don't.

 

[weblow]

All of you people are talking about lack of effort regarding a team that can't take the time to wear warm ups to a game they are all attending. How much effort would ithave taken to look like a team? Funny that you expect a team and coaches that can't give enough effort to look in the closet instead of the underwear drawer...and you're surprised???? In chorus now in your Mississippi redneck way..."oh uh dress don't matter man"....! What a crock some of you are. You have no idea how important it is to take care of the little things!

Not the part where you were a blatant ******* but we agree on the warm ups issue. I am not sure you will find someone here to argue with you on that.

 

[SyonaraStanz]

Now, that Mullen is doing it on the football field, we see how little motivating and inspiring Stansbury is doing.

He has very rarely had a team that consistently played motivated basketball. He simply has no clue how to do it, and it starts with gaining the players' respect, which he has not done.</p>

 

[shsdawg]

his equivilent of the Western Arizona (?) Juco guys of JWS's 2001 class the last several years. It started with Walter Sharpe and company. Let's see what the guys he has coming in from Mississippi do next year before we run him off. The core of our best teams has always had a heavy Mississippi flavor. Most of you guys don't remember what we had prior to Richard and Stans. I do. I'm a legacy section lower deck (for the last year).I got those tickets when I got back from professional school.Sixth row, lower deck, ONE WEEK before the season started in 1989. NO contribution needed. ANYONE could have bought them and I did. We couldn't GIVE tickets away back then.You don't throw someone who has done what Stans has done for us away and recover from it anytime soon. I know that goes against the conventional wisdom here but that is how I feel. Give the man chance to fix it the right way. He has used up his chance to fix it the wrong way.

 

[dawgstudent]

now it's built around, do I dare say it, living and dying by the 3. If we aren't hitting - especially with this team - we are toast. Jarvis saved us a lot last year because he could block shots and he would somewhat control the low post.

But today - we didn't match up well with Georgia at all.

 

[Todd4State]

would you still be in favor of keeping Rick if we have a losing season? Because if my prediction of a 6-10 SEC season is right, and my math in my head is right, that would mean that we would be 14-16 going into the SEC Tournament.

I'll tell you- my greatest fear about keeping Stansbury with the new guys coming in- who all seem to be good from a character standpoint as far as I know and can tell- is that Stansbury's lack of discipline will affect them as well. Because we're still going to probably have Dee- who I will admit seems to have straightend up to his credit, and Renardo, who is lazy and has a lot of leeway. I'm MUCH more worried about that than losing any of them because we fired Stansbury.

And yes, I do appreciate what Rick has done for MSU. I defended him many times because he earned it in the past. But, everyone- like Polk- has their time and they need to move on. And Rick and any coach knows that it's about winning and if they're not doing that, then they are going to be replaced. And I think Stansbury understands that.

 

[shsdawg]

for one more year. Dee is starting to talk and more importantly act like a leader and there will be some other changes that may prove benifical.

 

[shsdawg]

between then and now?

 

[AROB44]

for one more year. Dee is starting to talk and more importantly act like a leader and there will be some other changes that may prove benifical.

 

[shsdawg]

the roster.

 

[dawgstudent]

[No message]

 

[lannsd]

Now, I'm no John Wooden- although I can tie my shoes- but even I can see that we aren't playing good defense or rebounding. We haven't all year.

So, my question is this- how is that corrected? Am I correct when I say that defense and rebounding are as much about attitude as anything?

Depends on if you are talking about our man-to-man or that pile of crap Stansbury calls a 2-3 zone. I don't know what the problem with the man-to-man is, but they sure look lazy as hell playing it. Maybe the problem there is all about attitude and effort.

The problem with our 2-3 zone is much much worse as it cannot be corrected without new coaches. I'm serious our 2-3 zone is the most poorly designed and coached you will ever find on the Division I level. It has been for past six or seven years, maybe for Stansbury's entire tenure. People rarely brought it up because Stansbury hardly ever used it, and rightfully so since it is obvious he has no effing clue how a 2-3 zone is supposed to work. Don't you all remember over the years every damn time Stansbury went to a 2-3 zone the other team would go on a like an 11-0 run.

Seriously watch Syracuse and then watch us. Hell watch any team that uses a 2-3 then watch us. Our assignments are all wrong, our rotations are all wrong, and they are always wrong in the exact same way they were wrong last year and the year before that and so on. The players are obviously being coached this way. Its embarrassing. There are literally thousands of high school coaches out there who could run a better 2-3.