Yes, I realize that now so it makes it a bit more palatable. But my original suggestion stands ... why not make the cost/seat more expensive on the 50 than those seats inside the goal line in CL? For that matter, so the entire east side that ... all seats on the lower level can be had for a $135/seat contribution. The west side is already graduated based on location and that method makes sense.
An example of collateral damage with the reseating...
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They don't have that much sense. Strat knows this but since it isn't payable until death I am sure they would have the attitude what are you doing for us now? Obviously the past doesn't matter. We have no children so all of our assets go to charity. I don't think we will be alone in this kind of thinking after this either.
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Me, too.
I can't understand why someone willing to give a million after they die, is unwilling to give 1/40th of that amount while they are living. Of course, there are sour grapes, but the sour grapes are very "message-board" vocal and very repetitive. There are 3 in particular that won't let it go.
I like the new system and my time to pick my seats is still "TBA". I don't know where I'll sit but it will be better than last year. I gave more $$$ to MSU because I've have complained for years about sitting in the same "average" seats despite my "above average" donations to no avail. What I give to MSU now does not entitle me to a lifetime of benefits. Some people just aren't happy with the many benefits that they expect for their "donation".
Some of the confusion lies with the Bulldog Club and MSU athletic employees. It appears that everyone wasn't informed. I'm not sure why because I live out-of-state and I was fully aware of the new system. A perfect example of Bulldog Club errors is the genius that supposedly "guaranteed for life" your seat at the Hump in the 1970s if you bought season tickets. Somebody made a ridiculous "promise" that could not possibly be kept, but MSU should not be held hostage due to some employee's error. There were people sitting in prime seats who were not even members of the Bulldog Club, while people in the top 10% of the Bulldog Club were sitting the upper deck behind the goal. It's not perfect now, but it is definitely better. Now, if we just get Coach34 and his band of merry Stanshaters find us a coach ...
I can't understand why someone willing to give a million after they die, is unwilling to give 1/40th of that amount while they are living. Of course, there are sour grapes, but the sour grapes are very "message-board" vocal and very repetitive. There are 3 in particular that won't let it go.
I like the new system and my time to pick my seats is still "TBA". I don't know where I'll sit but it will be better than last year. I gave more $$$ to MSU because I've have complained for years about sitting in the same "average" seats despite my "above average" donations to no avail. What I give to MSU now does not entitle me to a lifetime of benefits. Some people just aren't happy with the many benefits that they expect for their "donation".
Some of the confusion lies with the Bulldog Club and MSU athletic employees. It appears that everyone wasn't informed. I'm not sure why because I live out-of-state and I was fully aware of the new system. A perfect example of Bulldog Club errors is the genius that supposedly "guaranteed for life" your seat at the Hump in the 1970s if you bought season tickets. Somebody made a ridiculous "promise" that could not possibly be kept, but MSU should not be held hostage due to some employee's error. There were people sitting in prime seats who were not even members of the Bulldog Club, while people in the top 10% of the Bulldog Club were sitting the upper deck behind the goal. It's not perfect now, but it is definitely better. Now, if we just get Coach34 and his band of merry Stanshaters find us a coach ...
If you are 60-64, a million dollar gift is worth 2,800 Bulldog Club points. Something doesn't add up. http://www.msubulldogclub.com/wp-co...ty-Points-Allotment-for-Irrevocable-Gifts.pdf
Do what you want with your money. Give to Ole Miss for all I care, but in my opinion, your anger toward MSU is misdirected.
Do what you want with your money. Give to Ole Miss for all I care, but in my opinion, your anger toward MSU is misdirected.
Yep, if the team keeps winning consistently AND the younger set turns out to be as loyal and have as much discretionary income which I seriously, seriously doubt. Try to reseat again in 5 years if the Bulldogs are losing at that point and see who gets out their wallet then!
Instead, what may happen is that the majority of consistent donors and fans may end up angry and over time, there's fewer graduates interested in replacing them because they never even bothered to attend games when they lived on campus or in town. There's a whole lot of schools having trouble with student sections not showing up to games. That's probably going to catch up with schools' season ticket holders over time.
(Your comment about for everyone unhappy someone else has to be happy could be completely wrong. It's possible that only the very central sections end up happy and virtually everyone else gets pushed further out or to otherwise less desirable seats and is mad about it. )
I am not as sanguine about pissing off older long term fans.
Because even smaller donations over a longer time can add up to higher total contributions. Total giving should probably matter too in a program dependent on the loyalty of a smaller fan base. If a newbie writes a check that cancels out years of giving, then maybe it makes sense to talk about it, but I bet that's pretty rare at MSU.
Have you never heard of leaving an insurance policy in place for a party outside of your family?
I can assure you there are many who do. If you are questioning what Dawgbreeze says, why don't you call the Bulldog Club and/or the Foundation on Monday and ask them about the number of people who leave Mississippi State in their will in a variety of ways, including large sum insurance policies.
You will learn it's common.
Then you dumb bastards know little about estate planning and gifting
Also, since most of you know little about charitable remainder trusts I will simply sit back and let you defend stupidity by our AD and Bulldog Club.You also have little understanding obviously about life insurance and how it works with proper planning. The misinformation was the main deal here but never in my lifetime would I think a pledge of 25,000 over 5 years not yet received would trump over 40,000 over the last 11 years. I guess I am naïve but in this case I hold the trump cards because there are many folks who will gladly appreciate their loyal contributors.
Also, since most of you know little about charitable remainder trusts I will simply sit back and let you defend stupidity by our AD and Bulldog Club.You also have little understanding obviously about life insurance and how it works with proper planning. The misinformation was the main deal here but never in my lifetime would I think a pledge of 25,000 over 5 years not yet received would trump over 40,000 over the last 11 years. I guess I am naïve but in this case I hold the trump cards because there are many folks who will gladly appreciate their loyal contributors.
I do know that you never gave a gift that u can so easily take back.
Intentions to give is less than a pledge in my book.
When we count money that we gave, are we including seat licenses in the tally? And ticket prices?
I wanna know so I get full credit.
Intentions to give is less than a pledge in my book.
When we count money that we gave, are we including seat licenses in the tally? And ticket prices?
I wanna know so I get full credit.
I give less than 5k a year and can text or call strick or richey at any moment and get a response. Im not a badass or big dog .
Get off your ***
I hate to say this...
But as a consumer, it can be argued that you're better off paying the premium price on stubhub tickets for the major games. You can easily find tickets at below face for the non SEC games. Pay the premium to the secondary market for the 2 or 3 huge SEC home games. You get better seats and save money when you factor in BDC donations.
I understand that does nothing as it relates to donating to the university. But then again, if a certain sum of money + cost of tickets does not result in satisfaction, then why not go the secondary ticket market route?
But as a consumer, it can be argued that you're better off paying the premium price on stubhub tickets for the major games. You can easily find tickets at below face for the non SEC games. Pay the premium to the secondary market for the 2 or 3 huge SEC home games. You get better seats and save money when you factor in BDC donations.
I understand that does nothing as it relates to donating to the university. But then again, if a certain sum of money + cost of tickets does not result in satisfaction, then why not go the secondary ticket market route?
Honestly, I'm going to wait and see how the view from my seat is before actually deciding. I know it won't be as good as what I have, but it might be acceptable. I don't go to games with partying being a top priority; I go to see the game and enjoy the atmosphere. However, the actual value of this seat vs what I had is much less; there's no way getting around that, so I'll assess that value after I see what I have at the first game. If I can't see the game, then it's not worth squat, and if seeing the game in person is not worth roughly $1,000 per game (including the creampuff games), then I won't renew. It's that simple. I can't even itemize tax deductions any more, so that's not a criterion in my decision.
If I find that the reseating was done properly (i.e, my priority rank was calculated properly, TTF people who were not already CL members did NOT get priority), I'll have no beef. If I was legitimately bumped down, then that's OK ... they did the fair thing. But whether I continue to buy season tickets for the 15-16 season, and whether I continue to support the BDC with fairly large sums, will depend on whether I think it's worth what I'm paying. At this point, I could get no better seats anywhere in the stadium without bumping someone else, and that's not going to happen.
If I find that the reseating was done properly (i.e, my priority rank was calculated properly, TTF people who were not already CL members did NOT get priority), I'll have no beef. If I was legitimately bumped down, then that's OK ... they did the fair thing. But whether I continue to buy season tickets for the 15-16 season, and whether I continue to support the BDC with fairly large sums, will depend on whether I think it's worth what I'm paying. At this point, I could get no better seats anywhere in the stadium without bumping someone else, and that's not going to happen.
Conversly, If we **** the bed, I wonder how many of the reseated people will be in the seats 4 or 5 years down a Croom stretch, when those seats used to be occupied by die hard fans that watched the Maine. I got no dog in this fight, I'm just postulating.
Here's why a pledge of $25,000 is worth more than $40,000 given over the past 11 years (even making the big assumption you're not full of **** about that). Obviously, you've quit donating to the Bulldog Club. Otherwise, you'd be getting the seats you're bitching about not getting. The $40,000 is all in the past, and you've been rewarded for it with seat preferences over those 11 years. But today, you're giving nothing and a pledge for $25,000 over 5 years is always going to be worth more than nothing.
Patdog, you are clueless as usual, just like you were in the basketball debacle, but yes, I still give to the Bulldog and still have my club level seats which have been moved to the goal line. Now if you think a pledge of 25 k trumps a 40,000 donation plus the cost of tickets over 11 years, then so be it. You are correct, I don't have to do it after this year and can change my will to another group, church, or even a community college. Keep thinking like LT and Scott and one day if we go south again, which by the way I hope we don't, we'll see how smart you guys are.
If this continues, Stub hub is looking better and better. Buy the conference games and maybe USM, and give the rest to the Foundation. I will take your approach and see if it is still worth it, but this clearly was not explained to me or anybody else I know.
Clueless?
You act as if you haven't received anything for your $40k. You were able to sit in the club level for 11 years. How many more years do you want for your $40k? The TTFers don't get 11 years of club level seats for their $25k. They get the ability to sit in better seats for at least 5 years. They still have to contribute the $40K in ADDITION to the $25K if they want 11 years of club level seats. We are leasing the seats. It is not lease-to-own agreement no matter how entitled that you may feel.
You act as if you haven't received anything for your $40k. You were able to sit in the club level for 11 years. How many more years do you want for your $40k? The TTFers don't get 11 years of club level seats for their $25k. They get the ability to sit in better seats for at least 5 years. They still have to contribute the $40K in ADDITION to the $25K if they want 11 years of club level seats. We are leasing the seats. It is not lease-to-own agreement no matter how entitled that you may feel.
Patdog is correct about this. Assuming someone in the TTF continues his/her donation level, they would match your $40k gift in just 8 years. And exceed your 11 year gift by $15k. This also assumes that someone in the TTF does not give above and beyond that $5k a year, which is not the case. You're mad about being passed up by people that are giving more than you. Give some of that $1 million now and I'm sure Scott will let you pick your seat.
Who says I wouldn't continue my giving level? That would be another 11 years and maybe even up it? You must be one who thinks folks who supported this program for decades when it was awful should be forgotten. I also know if we ever hit the skids, some of these folks will be history because it has happened before. I know of 5 people who have died and left thousands of dollars to MSU upon their death with insurance. I guess under your thinking that is not smart either. I feel sorry for you in being so shortsighted but I well remember when Molly Halbert felt the same way and yet they ended up giving much more than they could have otherwise. It is simple, "screw the people who brought you to the dance is the current philosophy and forget their loyalty in the past".
Here's some facts. Bulldog Club contribution revenues for the years ended June 30:
2003 - $7.9M
2004 - $8.8M
2005 - $7.9M
2006 - $10.2M
2007 - $9.0M
2008 - $9.8M
2009 - $9.8M
2010 - $17.5M
2011 - $14.8M
2012 - $18.0M
Seems to me Scott is doing something right. Also, he's not losing many of the old donors. If he is, he's replacing them with more and more generous donors.
2003 - $7.9M
2004 - $8.8M
2005 - $7.9M
2006 - $10.2M
2007 - $9.0M
2008 - $9.8M
2009 - $9.8M
2010 - $17.5M
2011 - $14.8M
2012 - $18.0M
Seems to me Scott is doing something right. Also, he's not losing many of the old donors. If he is, he's replacing them with more and more generous donors.
If you continue to give as much as the new guys are giving, you will have better seats than them because of your prior giving. If you give less than they do currently, you don't deserve seats as good as theirs. It's that simple. You do get a bonus for prior giving, but as I've pointed out, you've ALREADY been rewarded for that with premium seating for 11 years. If you want as good seats this year, you're going to have to match what others are paying for those seats. As for it being smart to leave the proceeds of an insurance policy to MSU, on average the university will receive more if you simply donated the premiums to it instead of the proceeds. It's a pretty simple fact that insurance companies stay in business by paying out less in claims than they take in in premiums and the investment income from those premiums. But it is a good deal for your insurance agent and the insurance company.
Even if you continue your current level, $5k is a year is more than you give. You act like you're the only donar state has ever had. Your gift, while generous and in the upper echelon of the bulldog club, is not as large as other people. What do you not understand about that? You didn't get passed up by someone giving less than you. Your $40k gift over the last 11 years is not going to be as valuable over the next 11 years. The game has been upped and it's your fault that you didn't up your donation to keep your seats.
Nobody is arguing that, but in essence you are saying the 25k a year with no prior giving over the next 5 years trumps 40000 in the past plus say 3500 a year for the next 5 years. Is that correct? If that is so, then this system is a farce. Also, nobody told me I had to up my giving so whose fault is that?
I think it's a very poor assumption on your part that the TTF donors have never given before. How many people do you think honestly go from no giving to $5k a year? It's my understanding the TTF is made up of donors who were previously giving anyway. I would say it's your fault you didn't increase your giving. No one told me I needed to. I just figured other people would and if I even wanted to just hold my position, I should increase my gift.
Did you want the BDC to call and give you a dollar amount you needed to pledge? I really don't understand what you wanted them to tell you. You had the same information as everyone else but failed to act.
According to the Reseating web page, there are no plans for a future reseating. There probably will be one at some point, but for the moment whoever's got a seat now keeps it unless they choose to give it up. Or that's the way I interpret what they said. This is the first Club Level reseating since it opened 13 years ago. Not sure about the rest of the stadium.
They also address the importance of giving now over giving in the past ... they say it goes for staff salaries, as I recall without going to read it again. Thought the TTF was a facilities fund though. At any rate, the Athletic Department's reasoning is on that site.
They also address the importance of giving now over giving in the past ... they say it goes for staff salaries, as I recall without going to read it again. Thought the TTF was a facilities fund though. At any rate, the Athletic Department's reasoning is on that site.
I never had the information. Can you tell me when it was sent? I left of China and called the Bulldog Club to make sure my donation was credited and nobody said a word. So call me out all you want to but I don't think I was the only one who knew they would get bumped by not agreeing to pledge more. Now, might as well let it drop. It is over but I think Rocketdawg said the same thing, so I wasn't alone.
I'm not trying to call you out. For what it's worth, I completely understand your frustration. With that said, I'm very glad the reseating happened. I was stuck in a not good place. I was giving a lot of money but it was doing me no good unless someone gave up their seats. I was giving on your level and last year finally made it all the way to the 35 yard line on the west side. Without this reseat I was never going to get good seats and all because I was young and was in high school when the club level came about. I wouldn't mind seeing them reseat every offseason, that way you can hold people's feet to the fire.
You are correct. The BDC never sent a thing (at least to me) regarding the reseating process or the existence of TTF, neither by email nor regular mail. The fact that reseating was going to be done was common knowledge for quite some time, and I don't remember how I heard about that ... it was some time ago. The only mail I've gotten from them recently (with the exception of the reseating phone call schedule a week and a half ago) was the opportunity to buy season basketball tickets, and the application for this season's football tickets. I heard about TTF on this message board, and I have no idea how those posters had heard the news. Granted, there was time to increase my donation if I desired after I heard about it here, but it's hardly a legitimate method of the BDC communicating to its members.
Did they expect us to be the proactive ones and read their website? Apparently they did. Doesn't matter now ... it's over and done. And I have the seats they assigned me. I really don't think I would have been a TTF donor on top of buying CL seats.
Did they expect us to be the proactive ones and read their website? Apparently they did. Doesn't matter now ... it's over and done. And I have the seats they assigned me. I really don't think I would have been a TTF donor on top of buying CL seats.
That's the thing I think a lot are forgetting. If you wanted club level seats, you have to pay for those as well on top of the TTF donation. So let's assume you want 4 club level.
You have to commit to 25K over 5 years, plus approximately 2k/seat($1750 + $300 season ticket). So in reality, if you want 4 club level - you are spending 13k/year for those seats for the next 5 years.
Hell - just one club level sets you back 7k/season with the TTF commitment. I mean I love MSU but free hot dogs aren't worth 7k.
You have to commit to 25K over 5 years, plus approximately 2k/seat($1750 + $300 season ticket). So in reality, if you want 4 club level - you are spending 13k/year for those seats for the next 5 years.
Hell - just one club level sets you back 7k/season with the TTF commitment. I mean I love MSU but free hot dogs aren't worth 7k.
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