And the polls begin. Collegiate Baseball Daily has us number 2.

pmack65

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It's nice to be ranked, it's good for the team, fans and recognition. This team will do just fine Cohen will have them in position to do some good things, how many depends on many factors. For me it's not where you begin but where you finish so I've never gotten overly excited about pre-season rankings. All I know is that our baseball program is back and will continue to gain the respect we deserve.
 

patdog

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No doubt. In baseball especially, preseason rankings are pretty much a crapshoot. It's nice to get the recognition, but it really doesn't mean anything.
 

KurtRambis4

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I'm going

to go out on a limb here and say you didn't do well in reading comprehension. For the 10th time, I'm not saying that they (SP) are going to be terrible. I'm not saying that they're going to be badass. I'm just saying that this is a concern. The main catalyst for last years postseason run, out of the bullpen, is gone. That is just a concern I have. Nothing more nothing less. Also, it's funny people are mentioning Butch and us being ok...the same people clamoring for his dismissal in year two,when I was saying we needed to hang on to him. I'm sure you would've been one of them if you had been around, given you're recent flipping on Mullen. That's a whole other story, though.
 

engie

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to go out on a limb here and say you didn't do well in reading comprehension. For the 10th time, I'm not saying that they (SP) are going to be terrible. I'm not saying that they're going to be badass. I'm just saying that this is a concern.
And I'm saying that it shouldn't be a concern at this point. Maybe you are correct on my reading comprehension -- pretty sure I did well enough for the state of MS to give me a nice little MESG scholarship though.

The main catalyst for last years postseason run, out of the bullpen, is gone.
No. The main catalyst to our team and bullpen is back. As is a higher percentage of our contributing pitching staff than anyone other competitor in conference.
Arguing that we lost alot -- when I provided data showing that we brought back more than our contemporaries -- makes your logic the real question here.

Also, it's funny people are mentioning Butch and us being ok...the same people clamoring for his dismissal in year two,when I was saying we needed to hang on to him. I'm sure you would've been one of them if you had been around, given you're recent flipping on Mullen. That's a whole other story, though.
You really want to go there? How did the the "8k or less" that were coming to SBW Saturday last year work out -- since "our baseball fanbase sucks and doesn't show up anymore"?

I've been as spot-on with baseball predictions as anyone on this or any other MSU site, which Pat can easily confirm since many of those predictions came as the result of disagreements with him. I know that sport on a deeper level -- which can easily be confirmed by reading through my baseball posting history. I never ONCE said or thought that we needed to fire Butch. And I have fended off stupidity about Cohen as recently as last year. Fact is -- I said we were a top 8-12 team prior to last baseball season and stuck to those guns throughout the series' losing streak when MANY here saw fit to "call me out" after every loss. I was basically on an island by myself in that opinion for quite a few weeks. Yet, things worked themselves out in the long run didn't it?

What "flipping" on Mullen do you refer to? Simply acknowledging that we can't and don't get rid of a bowl coach at MSU -- and recognizing the fact that the Egg Bowl victory was his best in about 45 games -- does not quantify as a "flip". Am I excited about the possibilities of the future? Yes. The team came a LONG way in the last month of the season, and that is cause for optimism going forward. But let's not pretend that it was something more from what it actually was -- which was a few key plays from disaster. I am doing EXACTLY what I said I would do all along -- and can provide multiple posts proving such -- "if he gets to 6-6, I'll get back on the fence and quit bitching". Am I "happy" with Mullen? No. But I'm a helluva lot closer than I was 2 months ago -- that is true.

Engie outlandish baseball predictions:
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/showthread.php?99694-Collegiate-Baseball-Preseason-Poll
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...ur-expectations-for-next-year-s-baseball-team
http://forums.sixpackspeak.com/show...-make-a-baseball-post-until-mid-to-late-April
 
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johnson86-1

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and let's face it Renfro's first two years were not close to what most expected...so you just never know who develops and when does it all come together...

Which is why our SP is a concern. There are going to be a lot of teams who have maybe not a Stratton but a similar situation where a so-so pitcher turns into their stud and there are going to be a lot of teams with pitchers that are studs on paper and even in fall or summer ball who just never reach their potential. Maybe I just don't follow baseball as much, but I feel like there are a lot fewer surprises in basketball or football. If you pay attention to a team, you usually know who is good enough to break out. Still plenty of downside surprises, but it seems rarer that somebody all of the sudden 'puts the pieces together' and unexpectedly turns into a stud.

We're in good shape because we have lots of options that could emerge as go to pitchers for us so we can afford for some to be misses, but it will be a concern for me until I see which pitchers actually emerge as go to players in SEC games.
 

johnson86-1

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Aug 22, 2012
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And I'm saying that it shouldn't be a concern at this point.

Random question: Are the balls going to be different this year from last year? I thought I remembered them saying that college will be moving to a ball more like the pros, with smaller seams that make it harder to generate movement. Just something I'm concerned about particularly with R Mitchell. I can't imagine it'd be different enough that it would make him useless, but it would suck if he suddenly couldn't be relied upon to simply eat up innings with a nothing ERA like he did last year.
 

KurtRambis4

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Well

I am impressed. You're lack of comprehension comes up again, w the SBW attendance. What you didn't comprehend then (and) now was the fact that our attendance was not to where people thought, in previous years. I just pointed that our. I just expeessed that it was not the norm. Also, yes your flipping on Mullen. You went from praising him in such ardent fashion, to following the sheep and expressing it was time to hire Hudspeth. Of course this died down.

I'm done with you, though. You can only see things in black and white and are apparently lacking in any comprehension and intuition. You're never wrong, in your mind so there's no trying to change your opinion.
 

DerHntr

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Rambis you know you aren't supposed to have concerns even if other teams could have the exact same concerns. It is absurd to consider anything negative for us that might also be a negative for others. It evens out completely. And if we are all even in our weaknesses then MSU's strengths is where you should focus your attention.

Got it?
 

engie

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I am impressed. You're lack of comprehension comes up again, w the SBW attendance. What you didn't comprehend then (and) now was the fact that our attendance was not to where people thought, in previous years. I just pointed that our. I just expeessed that it was not the norm.
So -- you were "right" on your 8k prediction for SBW then? You are the one bringing up "being wrong" about stuff in some sort of attempt to discredit me. I never even bothered to call you out about it until you attempted to do that to me. Pretty good job on making this simple disagreement personal though -- which I had tavoided.

My "lack of comprehension" = your "lack of ability to spell out a position clearly". Hell, you didn't even successfully do that in this quoted paragraph. "You expressed that our attendance was not the norm and was not where people thought?" What the 17 does that mean? Basically -- you(and others) made an outlandishly negative opinion and prediction which pissed me off. Did I go over the top in my response to you? Sure. And I apologized. I still ended up being proven correct on my premise. Though it's obvious as hell you would never admit that to yourself.

Also, yes your flipping on Mullen. You went from praising him in such ardent fashion, to following the sheep and expressing it was time to hire Hudspeth. Of course this died down.
I did exactly what I said I would do.

I'm done with you, though. You can only see things in black and white and are apparently lacking in any comprehension and intuition. You're never wrong, in your mind so there's no trying to change your opinion.
I'm wrong plenty. I'm not too proud to admit when I am. I even started a thread saying I was glad Mullen had proven me wrong after the Egg Bowl. Can you do the same?


Prediction: This will be one of the two best statistical pitching staffs in the history of MSU. Be sure to let me know when I'm wrong.
 
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