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RC1978

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Maybe I should have known this or read about it somewhere. But I was surprised reading this on Carinos Twitter.

Seton Hall spent about $2 million more on this year's roster than Rutgers.

Imo that equals 2 stud players or 3 really good players. Not going to blame the fans, the coach, the admin, the big boosters, but as a whole, we all really let down Rutgers.
 
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Degaz-RU said:
The BB-only schools have the luxury of being able to spend most of their rev sharing and NIL funds on basketball. We spend most of football, and hoops is a distant second in line.
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That’s a misconception. It winds up being comparable at best. Big East schools don’t have the same revenue as a Big Ten university, so even if we’re putting it all in MBB, it still isn’t a whole lot, and many of the schools can’t easily supplement it from their operating budgets.
 
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RC1978 said:
Maybe I should have known this or read about it somewhere. But I was surprised reading this on Carinos Twitter.

Seton Hall spent about $2 million more on this year's roster than Rutgers.

Imo that equals 2 stud players or 3 really good players. Not going to blame the fans, the coach, the admin, the big boosters, but as a whole, we all really let down Rutgers.
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Makes me,dislike the current state of affairs with college sports
 
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Mholinko

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There is truth on both sides of this argument

anyone who thinks Nil is the sole reason we stink is not looking at bigger picture

anyone who thinks we can win with our current NIL looking with rose colored glasses at the state of things as well
 
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Mholinko said:
There is truth on both sides of this argument

anyone who thinks Nil is the sole reason we stink is not looking at bigger picture

anyone who thinks we can win with our current NIL looking with rose colored glasses at the state of things as well
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Completely fair but with our current NIL there is no reason we can’t be competitive in games. Finish miracle of the BIG.
Pike identifies players who are NOT big ten level players.

He runs ZERO offense and with the game expanding out past the 3 pt line his defensive strategy is no longer effective.

in no world should Francis, JMike Ogobole, or any other player be on a Power 4 lineup yet we have 11 of them.

Pike had tremendous talent last year and did Nothing.

Nil no nil w Pike won’t matter
 
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Mholinko

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RAC’emUp said:
Revenue sharing is the story now and the non-football schools have an advantage. NIL is old news.
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That’s not remotely true because football schools are sharing a substantially larger revenue

the big ten and sec and even acc big 12 are getting larger revenue than big east

it’s up to those schools what they do with it after that

NIL will still matter a bit but Rutgers has not been a financially intelligent university in my lifetime
 
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Mholinko said:
That’s not remotely true because football schools are sharing a substantially larger revenue

the big ten and sec and even acc big 12 are getting larger revenue than big east

it’s up to those schools what they do with it after that

NIL will still matter a bit but Rutgers has not been a financially intelligent university in my lifetime
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I’m not going to do the research on this to get it exactly right but of the $21 million going to football schools about $17 million is the suggested number for football with the rest going to the remaining sports, primarily men’s basketball. So maybe $3.5 million goes to RU hoops. The Big East gets about $8 million in revenue sharing with almost all going to basketball. That’s a huge disadvantage.
 
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seansherm

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RAC’emUp said:
I’m not going to do the research on this to get it exactly right but of the $21 million going to football schools about $17 million is the suggested number for football with the rest going to the remaining sports, primarily men’s basketball. So maybe $3.5 million goes to RU hoops. The Big East gets about $8 million in revenue sharing with almost all going to basketball. That’s a huge disadvantage.
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There is no money going to schools. This is their own $ that they are allowed to use to pay kids. They aren't receiving $21M to use for it.
 
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Mholinko

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seansherm said:
There is no money going to schools. This is their own $ that they are allowed to use to pay kids. They aren't receiving $21M to use for it.
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Correct. They aren’t required To use 21 million on sports at all

the school could keep all 21 million for other expenses if it wanted to

at the end of the day there are only a handful of relevant basketball only schools
 
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RUBlackout

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Mholinko said:
That is coaching and execution but can you really sit there and say NIL has nothing to do with the state of things
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Forget NIL for a second (& yes, it is important)

Talent truly does matter on any team. The issue I have and from what I have seen is that we have had talented kids on these team. Coaching matters a lot as to what you do with that talent though and many fans and outsiders saw what happened last year with Ace/Harp and not even sniffing the NCAAs. Losing to a team like CCSU where we were 15.5pts favorites and we all clearly know NIL does not come into question makes you really think hard as to what the root of the problem is.
Again while NIL matters its all about where you spend it also and many people are just not good with money. We clearly didn't get the right supporting cast last year in any money we spent.
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There is no money going to schools. This is their own $ that they are allowed to use to pay kids. They aren't receiving $21M to use for it.
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NIL has changed since July of this year. No longer can the average fan "pay" for designated talent. The average fan can contribute to the school to offset the $21mm of revenue sharing that is capped for each school. Also that $21mm does not NEED to get paid out rather a cap for how much should be used for revenue sharing and its truly an expense for the school to manage across sports. So the Big East teams may decide to give less based on earned revenue or expenses but they SHOULD have more money to go towards basketball without a concern on football.
Additionally, Corporations can still contribute to NIL for qualified transactions for player involvement (supposedly "qualified transactions" are checked by a clearinghouse to avoid pay for play scenarios) and this is the only other way student athletes can get paid unless black market dealings. This should help level the playing field some but the more prestigious schools will still have an advantage with corporations due to their brand.

So Rutgers falls squarely in the middle:
-> disadvantage towards "brand" schools in both sports
-> disadvantage to BE schools specifically on spending in bball

We have to be very smart where we spend our revenue share (should only go towards Fball, Bball, and maybe wrestling)
And we need to raise corporate money (one of Keli's main goals)
 
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RAC’emUp

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seansherm said:
There is no money going to schools. This is their own $ that they are allowed to use to pay kids. They aren't receiving $21M to use for it.
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You are correct. But the math works out the same as respects dividing it up. Not good for RU hoops competitively.
 
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RAC’emUp

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RUBlackout said:
Forget NIL for a second (& yes, it is important)

Talent truly does matter on any team. The issue I have and from what I have seen is that we have had talented kids on these team. Coaching matters a lot as to what you do with that talent though and many fans and outsiders saw what happened last year with Ace/Harp and not even sniffing the NCAAs. Losing to a team like CCSU where we were 15.5pts favorites and we all clearly know NIL does not come into question makes you really think hard as to what the root of the problem is.
Again while NIL matters its all about where you spend it also and many people are just not good with money. We clearly didn't get the right supporting cast last year in any money we spent.

NIL has changed since July of this year. No longer can the average fan "pay" for designated talent. The average fan can contribute to the school to offset the $21mm of revenue sharing that is capped for each school. Also that $21mm does not NEED to get paid out rather a cap for how much should be used for revenue sharing and its truly an expense for the school to manage across sports. So the Big East teams may decide to give less based on earned revenue or expenses but they SHOULD have more money to go towards basketball without a concern on football.
Additionally, Corporations can still contribute to NIL for qualified transactions for player involvement (supposedly "qualified transactions" are checked by a clearinghouse to avoid pay for play scenarios) and this is the only other way student athletes can get paid unless black market dealings. This should help level the playing field some but the more prestigious schools will still have an advantage with corporations due to their brand.

So Rutgers falls squarely in the middle:
-> disadvantage towards "brand" schools in both sports
-> disadvantage to BE schools specifically on spending in bball

We have to be very smart where we spend our revenue share (should only go towards Fball, Bball, and maybe wrestling)
And we need to raise corporate money (one of Keli's main goals)
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Excellent summary of the issues. Everyone on this site screams about NIL not recognizing the world has changed again. Keep educating everyone.
 
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needmorecowbell

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RC1978 said:
Maybe I should have known this or read about it somewhere. But I was surprised reading this on Carinos Twitter.

Seton Hall spent about $2 million more on this year's roster than Rutgers.

Imo that equals 2 stud players or 3 really good players. Not going to blame the fans, the coach, the admin, the big boosters, but as a whole, we all really let down Rutgers.
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Rev Share and no football.
 
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needmorecowbell

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RUBlackout said:
That’s great!
How does that explain how we lost to CCSU?
Also explain how we had two top 5 nba talents and still don’t make NCAAs
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How did Rutgers also beat #1 Purdue twice? Good things and bad things happen in sports. You want to know why Rutgers lost to CCSU? CCSU played better. That’s how. How did Rutgers beat Purdue twice? Rutgers played better. Ultimately the better players win the games most of the time but sometimes the less talented team wins because they want it more.
 
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satnom

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RUDivision said:
Completely fair but with our current NIL there is no reason we can’t be competitive in games. Finish miracle of the BIG.
Pike identifies players who are NOT big ten level players.

He runs ZERO offense and with the game expanding out past the 3 pt line his defensive strategy is no longer effective.

in no world should Francis, JMike Ogobole, or any other player be on a Power 4 lineup yet we have 11 of them.

Pike had tremendous talent last year and did Nothing.

Nil no nil w Pike won’t matter
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Pike had two tremendous players and the rest of the roster were current players you criticize and those that left because they lacked. You can’t win basketball games consistently with one or two great players.

The way the game is being played now is three shooters standing outside the three point line with one or two going for rebounds to then kick back out.

The college game needs to adapt the NBA three point line.

GO RU
 
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Mholinko

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RAC’emUp said:
Excellent summary of the issues. Everyone on this site screams about NIL not recognizing the world has changed again. Keep educating everyone.
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He is correct but it is still A factor it is just not THE factor

For the sake of discussion we didn’t properly use the money we had this year wherever it came from

it is silly to think it has no impact but it’s silly to think it is the be all end all

we couldn’t afford to pay some of the guys that left even if we wanted to keep them

the top level schools in every league are spending more than what comes from revenue sharing you cannot argue that Alabama and Tennessee and Michigan are operating with the same basketball budget as Rutgers and Minnesota

that being said Rutgers can do more to emerge from that middle bottom of power schools
 
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RUDivision said:
Completely fair but with our current NIL there is no reason we can’t be competitive in games. Finish miracle of the BIG.
Pike identifies players who are NOT big ten level players.

He runs ZERO offense and with the game expanding out past the 3 pt line his defensive strategy is no longer effective.

in no world should Francis, JMike Ogobole, or any other player be on a Power 4 lineup yet we have 11 of them.

Pike had tremendous talent last year and did Nothing.

Nil no nil w Pike won’t matter
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Correction. Pike had TWO tremendously talented players last year. The rest of the roster was not P5 level.
 
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RU-ROCS

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Mholinko said:
The roster was marginally better than this years

Somerville was better than what we have in front court despite his defensive faults

I would also take Dercack over our guard situation
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This year's roster is worse because there's no one remotely as talented as Dylan and Ace. Somerville was a big loss, as we need depth at center and he was a crafty scorer. But, I think Francis is better than Dercack. Buchanan also appears to be better than most of the players on last year's team not named Ace and Dylan.
 
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I’m so sick of Rutgers sports,just bunch of losers and people who can’t get with the program. This small *** state got so much pride and talent. People that would open the floodgates to see a winner. We had 2 top 5 draft picks and ain’t do NOTHING. Seton hall is 6 and 0 right now and just beat a ranked team and I know for a fact they don’t got as much money as the number one state school in nj but in the last 30 years did more with less than a top public school in the same state. This isn’t just Men’s basketball it’s every sports man. It’s ok to do the bare minimum or be trash
 
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RUDivision said:
Completely fair but with our current NIL there is no reason we can’t be competitive in games. Finish miracle of the BIG.
Pike identifies players who are NOT big ten level players.

He runs ZERO offense and with the game expanding out past the 3 pt line his defensive strategy is no longer effective.

in no world should Francis, JMike Ogobole, or any other player be on a Power 4 lineup yet we have 11 of them.

Pike had tremendous talent last year and did Nothing.

Nil no nil w Pike won’t matter
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He knows offense. He doesn’t have players to run one. You think Harper was going to run around staggered screens, get a pass and look for Bailey, also running ragged, to get open for a jumper ? It’s why Martini was much more productive at Princeton. They had the players for it.

And this year? Who can an offense run through ? The team has athletes but few skilled basketball players. The best style with this team is street ball beat your guy.

So it’s recruiting rather than style choice that’s the problem.
 
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Shelby65 said:
He knows offense. He doesn’t have players to run one. You think Harper was going to run around staggered screens, get a pass and look for Bailey, also running ragged, to get open for a jumper ? It’s why Martini was much more productive at Princeton. They had the players for it.

And this year? Who can an offense run through ? The team has athletes but few skilled basketball players. The best style with this team is street ball beat your guy.

So it’s recruiting rather than style choice that’s the problem.
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Um politely and strongly disagree. Pike has never and will never understand or even run anything that resembles a competent offense. Will forget about one that is from this century.

It’s been obvious for a decade with an explanation point put on it last year.
 
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Mholinko

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RUDivision said:
Um politely and strongly disagree. Pike has never and will never understand or even run anything that resembles a competent offense. Will forget about one that is from this century.

It’s been obvious for a decade with an explanation point put on it last year.
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Right so instead of having some guys every year who could bail out his lack of offensive knowledge like Baker, RHJ, Dylan, Ace, Spencer, etc he now has no knowledge and no talent
 
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Shelby65

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Mholinko said:
Right so instead of having some guys every year who could bail out his lack of offensive knowledge like Baker, RHJ, Dylan, Ace, Spencer, etc he now has no knowledge and no talent
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Those players except for Spencer were also iso players. So no, it’s not that he doesn’t know how to implement a team offense, it’s that he doesnt recruit players with that strength. Put either Harper on a Pete Carrill Princeton team and they’d be much less capable.

Players aren’t interchangeable in all offenses. Pike’s better players have all been street ballers.
 
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Shelby65 said:
Those players except for Spencer were also iso players. So no, it’s not that he doesn’t know how to implement a team offense, it’s that he doesnt recruit players with that strength. Put either Harper on a Pete Carrill Princeton team and they’d be much less capable.

Players aren’t interchangeable in all offenses. Pike’s better players have all been street ballers.
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Have you watched Dylan play in the Spurs offense vs the dribble the clock out now go get your shot Pike offense?

An intelligent player can learn any offense.
Watch Florida or UConn play and the sets they run.

Sorry Pike is a defensive guy First, second, and third. Zero offense
 
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RUDivision said:
Have you watched Dylan play in the Spurs offense vs the dribble the clock out now go get your shot Pike offense?

An intelligent player can learn any offense.
Watch Florida or UConn play and the sets they run.

Sorry Pike is a defensive guy First, second, and third. Zero offense
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And to boot his defense sucks this year I have never seen so many teams have so many wide open 3 pointers and truthfully it has been that way for a few years where we overplay on the help defense and leave the shooters wide open
And another thing is we still have our bigs overcommit on the pick and roll we cannot defend that either
 
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