And we wonder why....
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If its truthfully been that way for years, and it has, you have in fact seen so many wide open 3 pointers before. Its nothing new. Pike's swarming help defense always allows good looks if we don't force a shot or mistake first.
BUT that doesn't prohibit a BBall school from spending $21mm all on bball IF they wanted to and could afford it. They are not limited to spending the same % of rev. on sports. They are limited to the total cap.
yes, spreading the chips out to lose on all vs. placing your bets on some sure winners and eating the loss on football.
Yes, they could do that, in theory. And really, that's the only place that will happen: in theory. There are a small handful that can go as high as $10 million or so, but no one is coming within a country mile of $21 million. I think Seton Hall put $4 million from rev share toward this year's team, which is probably below average in the Big East, but most schools are pretty well clustered together there. But it's way more than the vast majority of all the BB-onlies. The Big East's media rights deal is certainly better than all of them, but it's still microscopic compared to the SEC, Big Ten, etc.
Dylan was doing pretty well in San Antonio before he got hurt. The Spurs still run Popovich's system, which is the ultimate team offense. In the few games I saw, he looked effective. He had to be a street baller at RU because no one knew how to do basic things like set screens.
Street ball is the exact opposite of what they should be doing. It only exposes the talent differential. Full court press and slow the game down in the half court stressing fundamentals and a disciplined patient offense. Its your only chance with RU's talent against a more talented team.
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No, cats can’t fly. Streetball iso is what most of them do best, team offense fundamentals are not in their toolkits, not at the high-major level at least.
Square peg round hole.
This skill set is what Pike recruited. What you see is the best offense they are capable of, unfortunately.
Shelby - Yeah, street ball is really working. You know so very little about the game. If you play the same way as the opposition with lesser talent then you have no chance. The only way you beat a team with better talent is to be more fundamentally sound than them.
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You don’t get it. Analytics favor three pointers. Are you saying we should take mostly those ? Of course not, our players aren’t usually good at it. Pike can’t make cats fly.
Players have different talents. Our iso offense, for better or worse, is based on the roster talent. Always has been. Athletic but low fundamentals and skill for high major.
You fail to realize that if the roster was more capable of structured offense than streetball, that’s what Pike would run. He knows the game better than you and runs what gives the team the best chance to win
No school "gets" a single dollar in rev share. That just means schools now can pay athletes up to $21mm this year legally.
It's gonna' be a long winter for both 2014 B1G newbies.
Best find some other winter hobbies. Although Rutgers is always good in wrestling.
I'm working on a transposition at the moment...
Best find some other winter hobbies. Although Rutgers is always good in wrestling.
I'm working on a transposition at the moment...
First of all, I don't fail to realize anything. Second, Pike isn't capable of teaching a structured offense. Third, If we have "no fundamentals", then teach some f&$ki&g fundamentals. Anyway, I am finished with you on this. I'm not interested in going back and forth with anyone who refers to himself in the third person as it is a little out there.
Ridiculous. 4th grade CYO coaches can teach offense. He’s a basketball lifer and reached the highest level of college coaching. This roster is better equipped for what you see. Davis run an offense LOL. Enjoy watching football today. If your football IQ matches your hoops IQ, you might like to know: the kicker is the one who kicks the ball to start each half and after TDs and FGs.
You both are arguing the wrong point.
Yes, THIS particular roster shouldn't take more 3s because they arent good at them.
But the reason they arent good is because of Pike.
He doesn't value offense. So he doesnt recruit players who can run a successful offense.
It goes beyond tthis specific roster and to the fundamentals of the players Pike values.
NIL is a fair excuse against Indiana or Michigan. Losing to CCSU, showing nothing and getting boat raced by Tennessee (no one was asking to win), and getting beat by a very average ND team are not about NIL. Pike is picking the wrong players and then he’s not coaching them well. He made Buchanon a priority last offseason and he can’t even get 15 minutes on this team. It’s a sad situation.
The point you are missing is the gross media deal doesn't matter for specific programs.
Would you rather get 10% of $50m or 90% of $6m?
If Rutgers Basketball is only getting $3m in revenue sharing while SHU is getting $4m - it doesn't matter to basketball "but its okay because football is getting $16m".
Yes Shelby did say that. Yes offensively the roster is the problem and that’s Pike’s fault. But the idea that Pike doesn’t understand offense and/or should have these players run structured offense is absurd. He dealt himself a crap roster and now he’s playing a losing hand. Streetball iso is his best chance at winning games because athleticism is his only face card.
Chaewsky says we're not in the same world - LOL. Yeah, "4th grade CYO coaches can teach offense" You should know. You know so little you should have to pay extra to post.
And Men’s Bball is not sharing that much ($3.5M) when you consider Women’s Bball and Olympic sports. It’s more like $2.5M - $2.75M which makes your point stronger.
Why is anyone going to drop hard earned cash after millions of NiL money and 2 lottery picks were gifted to Pike and he couldn’t even manage a winning season
So no set offense or stretch . Pick and roll ISO.
Thats what you consider effective and proof that Pike knows offense?
Pike has NO idea what offense looks like. He benefits from a player having a good iso day. That is not offense
Someone who can figure that you need more than two players to win in the Big Ten might.
How many times does it need to be repeated we didn’t spend 2 dollars of our own NIL on Dylan and ace their contracts were almost entirely from fanatics and outside agencies so while it’s fair to say pike wasted talent the rest of the roster was representative of what we could afford
the margin for error is thin when you have no money to mine for talent
someone in another thread said we need to be like Oakland in moneyball and I think that’s fair but that’s an enormous minority and now people use those analytics in professional sports to find hidden gems with a bigger wallet
Give me 40% of my football team being 1st round picks and let’s see how well a good coach can make the team.
when was the last time an NCAA basketball team had 2 lottery picks and a losing season?
If the other 3 are complete stiffs not as well as you think
im asking just for a winning season...last year was as epic of a failure in sports as you can get as a coach
He ****** up...we had 2 once in a lifetime players...he surrounded them with the wrong players while allowing the 2 players to audition for nba
Thats on him not nil
I don’t understand how this is even out there as a discussion point. We lost to Kennesaw and Princeton with 2 NBA players and a NIL budget that was without question double the size of Kennesaw and Princeton’s resources not including Dylan or Ace. The season was a coaching failure of Epic proportion and anyone suggesting otherwise is a fool. Limited NIL budget might’ve been a reasonable excuse to explain why the team didn’t compete for a BIG championship or go to the Elite Eight. We weren’t even good enough for an NIT bid. NIL is zero percent to blame for that - I’m sorry.
NIL is the biggest reason the other 3 players and the bench were not competitive. Losing Cliff was huge. Dylan was injured for a good portion of the Big 10 Season, and there was no one to step up.
Even with the 2 NBAers, much of the Big 10 had better talent overall, and this was reflected in the results.
At this point I'm not sure why you would donate money to help a really bad coach keep his job.
Exactly. I don’t believe in good money after bad. Make a change and many of us will reconsider.
Agreed but I also get the impression many on here would not donate and will not no matter what because it’s not the problem
which it’s not but it’s naive to think we’re gonna do anything meaningful without a commitment to win and support a program from top down
you wouldn’t get a coach worth two cents without that type of commitment
You donate to NIL now because you need to have a track record of raising enough NIL that a good enough coach will want to work here.
The ole' "I'll donate to NIL when they get a new coach" is not going to work my friends.
That's 90% of the reason why I pivoted this year and give big to it.
The ole' "I'll donate to NIL when they get a new coach" is not going to work my friends.
That's 90% of the reason why I pivoted this year and give big to it.
Bumping my own post as context for why losses like the one to Michigan this season stand out so much. We’re not a good team - in fact, we’re a weak team, but the reason for the emergency alarm reaction (even though multiple ranked teams were also uncompetitive with Michigan) is because you just can’t erase THIS. Last year’s failure was not about NIL. It was about poor decision making and team management with the resources we had. If we had a decent season last year - even if we lost in say the second round of the NCAAs - nobody would be calling for Pike’s head to this extent now even with the CC loss. It’s the combination. Losing to Kennesaw and Princeton with Dylan and Ace is unmatchable failure. Calling @shelby here to concede that those losses supercede anything you could call Greg 2.0 out on (and the end of the blown Illinois game was pretty bad. So was the Oregon loss this year). But neither even close to those two losses for Pike. Only winning immediately can wipe them from memory. That’s Pike’s biggest problem because winning immediately is not possible.