Andrew White to transfer

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

You guys have this all wrong. The experts in all things Husker have pinned this on Eichorst. Because everyone knows you are supposed to ignore student athletes and force them to stay. That makes for great team chemistry, and an easy team to coach.
Next time everyone should ask themselves "WWOD". What would Osborne do? Likely just ignore it.... right?

 

[Redscarlet]

Of all the sports in the B1G it's basketball that is the toughest sport for Nebraska to have the most success in.
This conference has always been the best or the second best conference in basketball, majority of the time if you can get to .500 in conference play and have no bad losses in the non conference schedule usually will,always get you on the tournament.

Miles has a tough road to climb but he has a young team that has to develop, the question is how much patience does the fan base have? this hasn't been a program that has a history of making the NCAA's every year making the NIT isn't the worse thing in the world but losing seasons should not be tolerated.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

I think if we fire miles before the end of 2 years from now we're stupid beyond belief.

And if he goes below .500 the next two years?

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Of all the sports in the B1G it's basketball that is the toughest sport for Nebraska to have the most success in.
This conference has always been the best or the second best conference in basketball, majority of the time if you can get to .500 in conference play and have no bad losses in the non conference schedule usually will,always get you on the tournament.

Miles has a tough road to climb but he has a young team that has to develop, the question is how much patience does the fan base have? this hasn't been a program that has a history of making the NCAA's every year making the NIT isn't the worse thing in the world but losing seasons should not be tolerated.

We will forever be young if you have trouble retaining talent. We went thru this with Sadler and roster turnover...over and over again. The young excuse is no longer valid after last year was a "rebuilding" year. The excuses and jokes will be plentiful this year as Miles will no doubt start feeing some heat. As he should.

 

[hddude55]

We used to hear a lot of stories about Bo's relationships with his players, pro and con, but I don't recall hearing much about Miles. I would guess his quick wit could be a quick dagger in the gut if he is displeased -- and maybe that's why we don't hear much about players running through walls for him or sticking around for four years. Does anyone here know much about Miles relationships with his players?

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

We will forever be young if you have trouble retaining talent. We went thru this with Sadler and roster turnover...over and over again. The young excuse is no longer valid after last year was a "rebuilding" year. The excuses and jokes will be plentiful this year as Miles will no doubt start feeing some heat. As he should.

Youth excuse in basketball is only accepted by the easily influenced. Year 5, and this is totally his roster. The youth excuse is laughable.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

And if he goes below .500 the next two years?

he won't. one thing you have to realize is just how far down our talent level was when he got here. he hit lightning in a bottle with that ncaa run, which is something (and it's coloring how people see him as a coach), but what he really needed was to build our talent level -- which wasn't going to happen overnight. jordy (finally) gave us that piece. yeah, sure, maybe we have a bunch of injuries (knock on wood) and we keep losing, but seriously... if you want a look at just how good miles has done when handed a crap sandwich talent wise, take a look at rutgers and how they did in the b1g to start then walk away -- because you're wrong.

Rutgers could be great -- and it's got NYCity as a talent base. And they suck. Fact is they beyond suck.

"we have better facilities and fan support". That's great. i mean it really is. however, you still have to take the time to replace the players and not settle for crappy talent in the process. he did that -- and ate the losses that came with it.

i will also say that rutgers is not a perfect analogy. i'll give you that. but don't kid yourself, miles can coach. and he flat out is a better coach than .500 in 2017 given the talent we have (barring an injury barrage).

you want to destroy any chance this program has of long-term competition in the B1G? fire miles before the end of 2 years from now. the ONLY exception i would make is if you had someone like calipari lined up. good luck with that one (hint: you're an idiot for even wanting to hire the sleazeball and no way he'd ever do it). because at that point, our facilities won't be new anymore. NO coach will want this job -- we'd be the program that was simply unrealistic in its expectations and drove out a good coach that built up our talent level to competitive levels -- and honestly better, because we've got some damn good talent right now.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

he won't. one thing you have to realize is just how far down our talent level was when he got here. he hit lightning in a bottle with that ncaa run, which is something (and it's coloring how people see him as a coach), but what he really needed was to build our talent level -- which wasn't going to happen overnight. jordy (finally) gave us that piece. yeah, sure, maybe we have a bunch of injuries (knock on wood) and we keep losing, but seriously... if you want a look at just how good miles has done when handed a crap sandwich talent wise, take a look at rutgers and how they did in the b1g to start then walk away -- because you're wrong.

Rutgers could be great -- and it's got NYCity as a talent base. And they suck. Fact is they beyond suck.

"we have better facilities and fan support". That's great. i mean it really is. however, you still have to take the time to replace the players and not settle for crappy talent in the process. he did that -- and ate the losses that came with it.

i will also say that rutgers is not a perfect analogy. i'll give you that. but don't kid yourself, miles can coach. and he flat out is a better coach than .500 in 2017 given the talent we have (barring an injury barrage).

you want to destroy any chance this program has of long-term competition in the B1G? fire miles before the end of 2 years from now. the ONLY exception i would make is if you had someone like calipari lined up. good luck with that one (hint: you're an idiot for even wanting to hire the sleazeball and no way he'd ever do it). because at that point, our facilities won't be new anymore. NO coach will want this job -- we'd be the program that was simply unrealistic in its expectations and drove out a good coach that built up our talent level to competitive levels -- and honestly better, because we've got some damn good talent right now.

You are seriously overrating the talent on board compared to our competition. Don't get me wrong, I like quite a few of kids within the program but we still have some major holes. Miles went 16-18 last year...and some are expecting next year for us to be better after losing White and Shields? Not seeing it. We have 10 eligible scholarship players...3 of them being true freshman and 1 of them being Fuller. Next year is going to be as bad or worse than last year....then in the offseason we will have to see who transfers. And start the process all over again. If Miles goes under .500 the next two years nobody is going to bat an eye about Nebraska firing a coach who theoretically went under .500 five of six years. There is nothing unrealistic about asking this program to be better than that. The fact that we are hoping to be just better than .500 in year 5 is pretty telling. Sooner or later people will start asking to go dancing again and that's not looking likely any time soon under Miles. He will start feeling the heat this year as he should.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

he won't. one thing you have to realize is just how far down our talent level was when he got here. he hit lightning in a bottle with that ncaa run, which is something (and it's coloring how people see him as a coach), but what he really needed was to build our talent level -- which wasn't going to happen overnight. jordy (finally) gave us that piece. yeah, sure, maybe we have a bunch of injuries (knock on wood) and we keep losing, but seriously... if you want a look at just how good miles has done when handed a crap sandwich talent wise, take a look at rutgers and how they did in the b1g to start then walk away -- because you're wrong.

Rutgers could be great -- and it's got NYCity as a talent base. And they suck. Fact is they beyond suck.

"we have better facilities and fan support". That's great. i mean it really is. however, you still have to take the time to replace the players and not settle for crappy talent in the process. he did that -- and ate the losses that came with it.

i will also say that rutgers is not a perfect analogy. i'll give you that. but don't kid yourself, miles can coach. and he flat out is a better coach than .500 in 2017 given the talent we have (barring an injury barrage).

you want to destroy any chance this program has of long-term competition in the B1G? fire miles before the end of 2 years from now. the ONLY exception i would make is if you had someone like calipari lined up. good luck with that one (hint: you're an idiot for even wanting to hire the sleazeball and no way he'd ever do it). because at that point, our facilities won't be new anymore. NO coach will want this job -- we'd be the program that was simply unrealistic in its expectations and drove out a good coach that built up our talent level to competitive levels -- and honestly better, because we've got some damn good talent right now.

What is your opinion on our football coach?

 

[JohnRossEwing]

The idea that "no coach would want the job" is crazy. Most coaches would LOVE a 5 year deal worth 8-10 million dollars that is all guaranteed.

Are you getting Pinto or Cal or Matta or Izzo, of course not. But pretending like there are not other really good coaches out there that would love a shot and the cash you are crazy.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Nebraska played some pretty damned good basketball at times this year. That's what gives me hope. I watched a sh## show EVERY stinking game when Sadler and Collier coached this team. The thing that has killed us for two years now is our inconsistency.

Miles' big problem is that his offense is stale and the ball movement you see in good programs is sorely lacking. We have had losing seasons in 3 of the 4 seasons he has been here, finishing 10th, 11th, and 12th in the league, and no doubt will be at the bottom of the B1G again this year. If we don't make it to the NIT this year, Miles needs to go.

With our facilities, we can get good talent and a good coach here. It's time to stop accepting mediocrity in our men's sports, and Miles is target #1 to begin the process of changing that.

 

[Hoosker Du]

The idea that "no coach would want the job" is crazy. Most coaches would LOVE a 5 year deal worth 8-10 million dollars that is all guaranteed.

Are you getting Pinto or Cal or Matta or Izzo, of course not. But pretending like there are not other really good coaches out there that would love a shot and the cash you are crazy.

Not to mention that as a coach you have some of the best facilities in the nation to recruit to. There are lots of coaches out there that can recruit good players to these facilities.

 

[Harry Caray]

What's most troubling to me is that this will be the third consecutive year that Miles has failed to fill all of his scholarships. That is unacceptable at this level.

And I have not seen a lot of evidence that Miles "can flat out coach". We don't really run a coherent offense, our ability to break a press is often comically terrible, he gets technical fouls at very unfortunate times, and I can't think of many examples where he made great half-time adjustments. I have been pleased by his recent recruiting, but I am yet to be impressed by his in-game coaching.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

You are seriously overrating the talent on board compared to our competition. Don't get me wrong, I like quite a few of kids within the program but we still have some major holes. Miles went 16-18 last year...and some are expecting next year for us to be better after losing White and Shields? Not seeing it. We have 10 eligible scholarship players...3 of them being true freshman and 1 of them being Fuller. Next year is going to be as bad or worse than last year....then in the offseason we will have to see who transfers. And start the process all over again. If Miles goes under .500 the next two years nobody is going to bat an eye about Nebraska firing a coach who theoretically went under .500 five of six years. There is nothing unrealistic about asking this program to be better than that. The fact that we are hoping to be just better than .500 in year 5 is pretty telling. Sooner or later people will start asking to go dancing again and that's not looking likely any time soon under Miles. He will start feeling the heat this year as he should.

No I'm really not. We're in the top 1/3 talent wise if you look at things by ratings services (top half at worst). Our main deficiency is experience. One full year together and they'll have both high-level experience and experience together.

A team of sophomores and juniors with legit talent (doesn't have to be better, just roughly equal) is going to be better than .500 at minimum. and miles is not a terrible coach by any stretch of the imagination, he's just in a tough league.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

What is your opinion on our football coach?

what does that have to do with this thread? hint : nothing. but just because you asked... still forming. he's doing enough of the right things that i want to see this year play out before i say much. last year's record didn't bother me (i hate a losing season but i've dealt with worse problems in my life).

 

[Kleitusbpn]

The idea that "no coach would want the job" is crazy. Most coaches would LOVE a 5 year deal worth 8-10 million dollars that is all guaranteed.

Are you getting Pinto or Cal or Matta or Izzo, of course not. But pretending like there are not other really good coaches out there that would love a shot and the cash you are crazy.

And unless you're getting a legit upgrade, all you're doing is stopping the momentum of a program that finally got its feet under it. Unless you really truly believe that you'll keep all these kids around in a sport with a transfer epidemic.

Two words to that: Yeah right.

You're basically saying "this is taking longer than i thought, so i'm going to whine and throw a hissy fit." Our program was just simply that bad and miles didn't take shortcuts.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

No I'm really not. We're in the top 1/3 talent wise if you look at things by ratings services (top half at worst). Our main deficiency is experience. One full year together and they'll have both high-level experience and experience together.

A team of sophomores and juniors with legit talent (doesn't have to be better, just roughly equal) is going to be better than .500 at minimum. and miles is not a terrible coach by any stretch of the imagination, he's just in a tough league.

Sooo we should finish in the top half of the Big Ten next year...right? That would at worst put us on the bubble. Big leap for a team that is going to likely going to be projected 12th or 13th in the league. Glad expectations are set....it will be interesting to hear the excuses for Miles next year if we tank again. I don't think anyone has said Miles is a terrible coach...but I wonder if some of you have actually watched Nebrasketball games and watched our offense and came away thinking "dam...that's a well coached team."

 

[Kleitusbpn]

What's most troubling to me is that this will be the third consecutive year that Miles has failed to fill all of his scholarships. That is unacceptable at this level.

And I have not seen a lot of evidence that Miles "can flat out coach". We don't really run a coherent offense, our ability to break a press is often comically terrible, he gets technical fouls at very unfortunate times, and I can't think of many examples where he made great half-time adjustments. I have been pleased by his recent recruiting, but I am yet to be impressed by his in-game coaching.

Our starting point guard is a freshman. our team played 4 freshman. what do you expect?

i have words that describe what you're expecting : the impossible.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Sooo we should finish in the top half of the Big Ten next year...right? That would at worst put us on the bubble. Big leap for a team that is going to likely going to be projected 12th or 13th in the league. Glad expectations are set....it will be interesting to hear the excuses for Miles next year if we tank again. I don't think anyone has said Miles is a terrible coach...but I wonder if some of you have actually watched Nebrasketball games and watched our offense and came away thinking "dam...that's a well coached team."

not necessarily this coming year -- we're still young. which is why i said if we fire miles before 2017 we're nuts. we're going to have 3 freshman playing major minutes -- and we're not talking 5* nba draft freshman.

if watson takes a huge step forward we could be decent. a good pg makes up for a lot. but much better than .500 might be a stretch. we're still losing our 2 best players now.

after that (2017-18), if we are still losing? you'd have an argument.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

And unless you're getting a legit upgrade, all you're doing is stopping the momentum of a program that finally got its feet under it. Unless you really truly believe that you'll keep all these kids around in a sport with a transfer epidemic.

Two words to that: Yeah right.

You're basically saying "this is taking longer than i thought, so i'm going to whine and throw a hissy fit." Our program was just simply that bad and miles didn't take shortcuts.

Again, this is all theoretical...but there is no momentum for a coach who had 5 losing seasons in 6 years. This year is going to be another rough year likely...and that will put Miles squarely on the bubble in year six. Some folks will still make excuses for him because he is a salesman but others will actually ask for some production. This is not surprising as this is the same fanbase where some were asking for a lifetime contract for Doc Sadler. I'd imagine after another dismal year Eichorst patience will be razor thin.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Again, this is all theoretical...but there is no momentum for a coach who had 5 losing seasons in 6 years. This year is going to be another rough year likely...and that will put Miles squarely on the bubble in year six. Some folks will still make excuses for him because he is a salesman but others will actually ask for some production. This is not surprising as this is the same fanbase where some were asking for a lifetime contract for Doc Sadler. I'd imagine after another dismal year Eichorst patience will be razor thin.

you're still not going to be able to keep players if you fire him so it's moot in the end. he has to stay for two more years or you're punting the next 3-5 after that without giving things a real chance. just how it is.

for the record... i think we're roughly the same team as last year even without white, and you're not going to see things take off until after the first 20 games or so. by the time the b1g tournament rolls around we're going to be a very different team -- similar to last year.

the difference is, between this coming year and 2017-18, we don't lose anyone and we won't be playing freshman. the year after this should be pretty solid.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

I'll also add for the record that i said when miles was hired that it would take 7 years if he did it right and we didn't get lucky enough to land a 5* kid. we haven't landed that kid, so i'm staying consistent with what i said from the start.

our talent level needed a complete revamp. we've gotten it. if he fails he fails... i don't see it, but that's just me.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

you're still not going to be able to keep players if you fire him so it's moot in the end. he has to stay for two more years or you're punting the next 3-5 after that without giving things a real chance. just how it is.

for the record... i think we're roughly the same team as last year even without white, and you're not going to see things take off until after the first 20 games or so. by the time the b1g tournament rolls around we're going to be a very different team -- similar to last year.

the difference is, between this coming year and 2017-18, we don't lose anyone and we won't be playing freshman. the year after this should be pretty solid.

No, but it would be delaying the inevitable. By next year we will know for sure if Miles is a failure or not. Really not sure how you are getting that we are the same team as last year when we lost two 15+PPG scorers. By the time the Big Ten tournament rolls around we will be talking about how we need to win the tournament to play in the postseason. Also, as far as not losing anyone after this year...that remains to be seen, Miles hasn't exactly had good luck keeping coaches or players around. I expect next year to be no different.

 

[anon_umk0ifu6vj6zi]

what does that have to do with this thread? hint : nothing. but just because you asked... still forming. he's doing enough of the right things that i want to see this year play out before i say much. last year's record didn't bother me (i hate a losing season but i've dealt with worse problems in my life).

Just curious. Thanks for the response.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

No, but it would be delaying the inevitable. By next year we will know for sure if Miles is a failure or not. Really not sure how you are getting that we are the same team as last year when we lost two 15+PPG scorers. By the time the Big Ten tournament rolls around we will be talking about how we need to win the tournament to play in the postseason. Also, as far as not losing anyone after this year...that remains to be seen, Miles hasn't exactly had good luck keeping coaches or players around. I expect next year to be no different.

possibly bad wording, i meant roughly the same record as a team -- if not a little better. i'll type out my reasons and short version it at the end.

shields was a beast, but i don't see white as a huge loss. a decent one, but he really could only do one thing. shields hurts -- but you can replace him with depth and improvement of others. benny will be addition by subtraction (harsh, but he couldn't score to save his life and gill is a much better player).

your biggest jumps in talent are between freshman and sophomore years. keep that in mind.

watson is an all B1G point guard. maybe not this coming year, but year after he's good enough. he should improve greatly. so by default, our 1 should improve a lot.

gill blows benny out of the water -- honestly there isn't an argument. benny played 25 minutes per game. think about that a second before you say that losing both shields and white is too big of a loss. we should gain at least 7-10 points per game right here and i don't see that as an exaggeration. if you want an honest guess, i'd guess gill is one of our 15-18 ppg players. i think webster will be around 13-14 as will watson.

webster should improve over last year, even if his numbers don't (and i think they will).


so with that... our guards are improved... a lot (and this cannot be understated). let's go to forwards -- this will be uglier, but give it a minute.

losing shields hurts -- flat out. the guy was as solid a B1G player as anyone -- and i mean anyone -- had. if you needed a big 3 he hit it. if you needed someone to back a guy down and get to the line he did it.

HOWEVER... here's the catch. he really didn't have a position because we didn't have a true 5. so when you talk about shields, how do you really slot him for comparisons?

on an ideal team he was a 3... but so is white. so for us, white was a 3, and shields was a 4. so that's how i'm going to put it here.

comparing andrew white to jack mcveigh and isaiah roby: Obviously right off the bat, white is going to win this. the question isn't if he's a better player, but by how much. first, roby's a freshman -- you can't expect much. however, he's probably at least as talented as glynn watson was as a freshman. i wouldn't expect more than 7 ppg and a few boards, but he's got the length to be at least decent defensively.

also with mcveigh... .340 from deep as a freshman isn't that bad. if he shows gradual improvment i could see .370 from deep as a sophomore (maybe better). not as good as white, but at least as good as shavon (.364). so let's be realistic in saying that we've got some good things happening here too.

here's the problem with white -- he wasn't good defensively. i wouldn't even call him decent. he was pretty much a spot up shooter and he could drive straight to the basket -- but that's it.

so yes, losing his scoring hurts. but i don't think it hurts that much. it should also be said that the players playing the 3 this year will be playing their position -- not a hybrid position forced by not having a 5. which will help them by default.

verdict? if white was an 8 out of 10 as a B1G player (he wasn't a great player, but he was good and great at one thing), i could see roby and mcveigh combined into being a 5 or 6. which given that our guards will be much improved isn't that much of a dropoff.

So onto the 4 -- and the major loss, which is shavon shields. Two things need to be said here -- he wasn't a true 4. he just played where we needed him. Also, we have two VERY talented kids at this position who are no longer freshman. so shields... 16 points and 6 boards per game in 31 minutes.

morrow and jacobsen. last year between the two of them in about 32 minutes per game (mostly at the 5 because well... ) had 8.8 points and 7.6 boards. all while playing more of a 5 than a 4. is it a stretch to say that between the two of them they could get say... 13 points and 8 boards in that time frame (32 minutes) given that they'll have another big body down low to help? They'll also get some time at the 5 when jordy sits, but just playing as much as they did last year their efficiency should improve by that much IMO.

i don't see that as a stretch. also keeping in mind that as a sophomore, shavon had... 13 points and 6 boards per game in 32 minutes. and took us with petteway to the tournament.

i'm not exactly stretching things here. all i'm saying is that it's a falloff -- but we have more depth now than we did.

point with this? We're talking a dropoff -- but not a life and death dropoff. shavon was great, and it is hard to understate what he did for this team. HOWEVER... we simply have more depth than we've had.

That brings us to the 5. i'm not really sure how to put this in here because morrow and jacobsen were both down there by default. jordy's going to give us probably 20-22 minutes. that leaves the rest for jacobsen and morrow... so it's not entirely a positional wash, but i think i got my point across here. 7 and 7 in 22 minutes for jordy? if he gives us more than that, this team is .500 at minimum.

one other thought -- if you combine the 4/5's... suddenly losing shields doesn't look as big, because our center position last year was awful due to not having a real one.





so after all that crap, short version?

guards? much improved
forwards? worse, but not as much as people want to think.
center? Night and day better

offense? slightly worse
defense? better
rebounding? much better
3 pt shooting -- worse, but i'm not sure by how much because some of our shooters were awful. group improvement might offset losing white.


overall team? probably about the same, better at the end of the year. if we get a few breaks we could make the NIT. if some of our guys majorly improve we could come awful close to .500 in the B1G which would be borderline NCAA's. i don't see it as of today but we have talent unlike most of the last 2 decades.

 

[newAD]

The idea that "no coach would want the job" is crazy. Most coaches would LOVE a 5 year deal worth 8-10 million dollars that is all guaranteed.

Are you getting Pinto or Cal or Matta or Izzo, of course not. But pretending like there are not other really good coaches out there that would love a shot and the cash you are crazy.

So why did Marshall turn us down? Oh wait that's right, he was never officially offered, because he wasn't interested in even talking about coming here. Neither was Groce. So he wasn't "offered" either.

 

[Harry Caray]

Our starting point guard is a freshman. our team played 4 freshman. what do you expect?

i have words that describe what you're expecting : the impossible.

What was the excuse in 2014-15 when we had a very experienced team that was ranked in the preseason Top 25? I saw many of the same coaching issues then as a fairly talented team finished with a losing record, lost to Incarnate Word, and lost nine consecutive games to end the season.

Again, I like Miles' recent recruiting (except for the unused scholarships), but his actual coaching has left a lot to be desired, especially the last two years.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

So why did Marshall turn us down? Oh wait that's right, he was never officially offered, because he wasn't interested in even talking about coming here. Neither was Groce. So he wasn't "offered" either.

What? Marshall likes where he is at. Schools have come at him hard and he seemed to love WSU, that happens. Groce grew up 2.5 hours from U of Illinois, Illinois and Indiana are probably his dream jobs

 

[JohnRossEwing]

What was the excuse in 2014-15 when we had a very experienced team that was ranked in the preseason Top 25? I saw many of the same coaching issues then as a fairly talented team finished with a losing record, lost to Incarnate Word, and lost nine consecutive games to end the season.

Again, I like Miles' recent recruiting (except for the unused scholarships), but his actual coaching has left a lot to be desired, especially the last two years.

If I remember correctly that was the first time "toxic" started to get used.

 

[newAD]

What? Marshall likes where he is at. Schools have come at him hard and he seemed to love WSU, that happens. Groce grew up 2.5 hours from U of Illinois, Illinois and Indiana are probably his dream jobs

So a MO Valley coach turned down how much to come to the BIG, and another preferred a job more fertile recruiting area. Ought to tell you something about getting a coach to take this job. So who else had zero interest in talking to TO about coming here?

Money is not the answer as it will not overcome Nebraska's recruiting issues/problems, and won't get Nebraska a proven winning coach to come to Lincoln, new facilities or not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Until the Omaha area schools start sending a player almost every year to UN-L, Nebraska will struggle, no matter who the coach is, and money won't change that.

Nebraska will always fine some sucker to take a chance at this job, but as long as Nebraska has to look out of state for ALL its scholarship players, we will be right where we are. 0-7 and hoping for NIT.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

So a MO Valley coach turned down how much to come to the BIG, and another preferred a job more fertile recruiting area. Ought to tell you something about getting a coach to take this job. So who else had zero interest in talking to TO about coming here?

Money is not the answer as it will not overcome Nebraska's recruiting issues/problems, and won't get Nebraska a proven winning coach to come to Lincoln, new facilities or not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Until the Omaha area schools start sending a player almost every year to UN-L, Nebraska will struggle, no matter who the coach is, and money won't change that.

Nebraska will always fine some sucker to take a chance at this job, but as long as Nebraska has to look out of state for ALL its scholarship players, we will be right where we are. 0-7 and hoping for NIT.

Marshall is making 1.3 million more than Miles per year. That's a very poor example. Other programs around this region have not had an issue...Miles is the first coach hired since Nebraska actually started to pour money into the program. If he fails we won't be looking for chop liver.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

So a MO Valley coach turned down how much to come to the BIG, and another preferred a job more fertile recruiting area. Ought to tell you something about getting a coach to take this job. So who else had zero interest in talking to TO about coming here?

Money is not the answer as it will not overcome Nebraska's recruiting issues/problems, and won't get Nebraska a proven winning coach to come to Lincoln, new facilities or not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Until the Omaha area schools start sending a player almost every year to UN-L, Nebraska will struggle, no matter who the coach is, and money won't change that.

Nebraska will always fine some sucker to take a chance at this job, but as long as Nebraska has to look out of state for ALL its scholarship players, we will be right where we are. 0-7 and hoping for NIT.

OK… You're right… miles with the only coach in the world that was going to take this job.

 

[grayhairedfreak]

Just to add a little levity...I saw a new term coined on a Facebook post...#Nebrexit.

 

[newAD]

Marshall is making 1.3 million more than Miles per year. That's a very poor example. Other programs around this region have not had an issue...Miles is the first coach hired since Nebraska actually started to pour money into the program. If he fails we won't be looking for chop liver.

That's great, but this fantasy that some people have that our facilities and $$$ will get an establiahed coach here is laughable. That will not change until we have a recruiting base in state. There's very few college BB programs that can survive without home state (or regional kids) and Nebraska ain't one of them.

My point about Marshall, would he leave WSU for here if pay were equal??? Highly doubt it.

Other schools around the region have more more talent to draw from closer to their campus. Every single BIG school is in a state that has produced more D1 talent than Nebraska has. Every single BIG school is closer to more major metro areas than Lincoln. Every single BIG school has a better group of bordering states to recruit from than Nebraska does. There are single AAU teams out there that have more D1 players than our state. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

I'm not saying Miles is the answer, because people should know I've been critical of him. However, Nebraska is and will be tough to win at due to population and geography, and who the coach is means little to LONG TERM success until the state produces D1 talent consistently. Nebraska might catch fire every few seasons but it won't be consistent if we open scholarships and no worthy players close by to give them to (who will hopefully take them).

 

[newAD]

OK… You're right… miles with the only coach in the world that was going to take this job.

Where did I say that? Likely only TO knows who was potentially interested or willing to even listen. I just pointed out that a coach from Wichita State and Ohio U from all accounts had zero interest in hearing anything about potentially coming here.

I'd love to ask TO, was Miles the best coach you thought you could get, or was he the best coach you thought you could get who would take the job?

 

[Charlie Marlow_rivals363743]

Well, this bites. Would like to get to the point where people leave only due to:
1. graduation
2. NBA
3. more playing time elsewhere

Where did Romeo transfer to?

 

[newAD]

Well, this bites. Would like to get to the point where people leave only due to:
1. graduation
2. NBA
3. more playing time elsewhere

Where did Romeo transfer to?

Romeo-Washington

 

[chicolby]

That's great, but this fantasy that some people have that our facilities and $$$ will get an establiahed coach here is laughable. That will not change until we have a recruiting base in state. There's very few college BB programs that can survive without home state (or regional kids) and Nebraska ain't one of them.

My point about Marshall, would he leave WSU for here if pay were equal??? Highly doubt it.

Other schools around the region have more more talent to draw from closer to their campus. Every single BIG school is in a state that has produced more D1 talent than Nebraska has. Every single BIG school is closer to more major metro areas than Lincoln. Every single BIG school has a better group of bordering states to recruit from than Nebraska does. There are single AAU teams out there that have more D1 players than our state. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

I'm not saying Miles is the answer, because people should know I've been critical of him. However, Nebraska is and will be tough to win at due to population and geography, and who the coach is means little to LONG TERM success until the state produces D1 talent consistently. Nebraska might catch fire every few seasons but it won't be consistent if we open scholarships and no worthy players close by to give them to (who will hopefully take them).

How do you explain Wichita State's success. Kansas' population is comparable to Nebraska and frankly they should be third fiddle to KU and K State. It takes time and a few breaks landing the right guys. I think Miles can do it.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

How do you explain Wichita State's success. Kansas' population is comparable to Nebraska and frankly they should be third fiddle to KU and K State. It takes time and a few breaks landing the right guys. I think Miles can do it.

Or, a team in Omaha that is projected top 25 this year...who also has two Omaha natives on its roster that will receive big minutes. Sure..it would be great if Nebraska produced more D-1 talent...but, when it does...and you don't recruit said talent..it's hard to use that as an excuse. Also, lets not act like Kansas State and Iowa state are lining up their roster with natives. They arent.

Sure it takes time and a few "breaks" but it also takes having an identity. Does anyone really know what we want to do on the offensive end under Miles? Last year was better, but overall in his four years its been a pretty big mess. Maybe Lewis will help in that regard...Miles obviously needs a little assistance on that end. I'm afraid we are about to have another year of long scoring droughts and poor shooting from deep.

 

[newAD]

How do you explain Wichita State's success. Kansas' population is comparable to Nebraska and frankly they should be third fiddle to KU and K State. It takes time and a few breaks landing the right guys. I think Miles can do it.

The population of Nebraska and Kansas are comparable, but the basketball comparison ends there.

WSU? Bad comparison to Nebraska. They have a prep school 5 miles from campus that has got them four players on their roster. They are just a tad bit closer to Kansas City than Lincoln, but are in one of the states that contains the KC metro, so the draw for KC area recruits is stronger there than to Lincoln. They are 2.5 hours from Oklahoma City, which produces talent, and they can/have easily recruit Texas.

Kansas? They had three players from their team from the state of Kansas. One had the last name of Manning, and one had the last name of Self. Why were they there? The third (Perry Ellis) he was really good, and from.....Wichita. Another city smaller than Omaha, that has produced more basketball talent than Omaha. Hmmm. Kansas is able to do what Nebraska has been forced to do recruit nationally, but they can get away with it. It kind of helps when your coach has won a national championship.

As far as third fiddle to Kansas, what happened when they played in the big dance? Why does Kansas duck Wichita State and not schedule them in the regular season?