Andrew White to transfer

[newAD]

Or, a team in Omaha that is projected top 25 this year...who also has two Omaha natives on its roster that will receive big minutes. Sure..it would be great if Nebraska produced more D-1 talent...but, when it does...and you don't recruit said talent..it's hard to use that as an excuse. Also, lets not act like Kansas State and Iowa state are lining up their roster with natives. They arent.

Sure it takes time and a few "breaks" but it also takes having an identity. Does anyone really know what we want to do on the offensive end under Miles? Last year was better, but overall in his four years its been a pretty big mess. Maybe Lewis will help in that regard...Miles obviously needs a little assistance on that end. I'm afraid we are about to have another year of long scoring droughts and poor shooting from deep.

And Miles better be recruiting his *** off when he has a chance at an Omaha kid, because it will not be easy to get that quality player out of Omaha when they come along. It drives me crazy that K. Thomas is not in Lincoln. Not trying harder on Patton I fear is going to come back and haunt Nebraska for the next four years. And that team from Omaha....they have been doing well for awhile, and they haven't exactly relied on recruiting Omaha traditionally.

Kansas State? Top 40 in all time wins, and top 30 in all time NCAA tournament wins. They haven't neglected basketball over their history. They still get players from their region (KC and even St. Louis), and have had some success recruiting beyond that.

Iowa State? Smack dab between the Twin Cities and KC, reasonable drive to Milwaukee and other parts of Wisconsin, and of course, Chicago. You can not underestimate how valuable their location is in comparison to Lincoln when it comes to basketball recruiting. It also helped to have Hoiberg as their coach, and we will see if there is a drop off in the coming years now that he has left. They have the ability to somewhat pick and chose which Iowa players they want to battle with Iowa (and other major programs) for and leave the rest for Northern Iowa (which had at least 9 in state players on their roster, and would have slapped Nebraska this past season). So newsflash, Iowa produces a lot of good college players (Creighton has got a lot from there for years).

These two schools are not "loading up" with in state natives, but they can get a few to get a full roster and have depth, which Nebraska has not.

I agree, Nebraska will need some breaks...and that is whether Miles is the coach or not. But it'd sure be nice to know the team would for once go into a season with all it's scholarships accounted for, and that won't happen until we have more local players going there. The biggest break for Miles for the future would be that a year from now everyone will be back for 2017-2018 minus Webster.

 

[Dean Pope]

White is one of the nicest kids the team has had in years, but he's got people back home who see only dollar signs. I believe White didn't want to face Big 10 defenses focused primarily on stopping him and figured joining a certain NCAA qualifier was the better way to go for his "NBA future". Not sure how many of you follow the NBA draft, but they discriminate against 23 year olds these days. He has very little chance of getting drafted next year if he couldn't get drafted this year. Teams are going to be wary of drafting a kid who walked away from a challenge which is exactly what Andrew is doing.

I read a couple AAU coaches have been saying all summer that Andrew would leave and that got me to pinpoint the problem. AAU basketball-- play for yourself, switch teams, transfer high schools. Join up with other area standouts to form "super teams". I believe that the whole culture around high level AAU basketball is crooked and self-serving. Andrew, or rather Andrew's dad, is still in that mindset. The AAU mentality is damaging our sport (notice the high number of foreign players drafted last week) and last weekend it damaged our Husker program.

As for Tim Miles, he's got guys he can plug in that better be ready to go. If those kids are truly the real deal, NU may win as many games as they would have with Andrew White on the team. I only say that because chemistry is huge in college basketball. If Andrew only cared about his own stats next year, it would have affected the team negatively. With or without him, this team is going to have ups and downs, maybe better chemistry will help Miles' boys be more resilient.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

White has now quit on two different teams, and we didn't get far with him did we? It looks bad, but I don't think his loss is as big of a deal as many of you.

 

[mwulf]

It does all come back to quality local kids and getting them to play for you ....look at Nee's best run those teams had a solid base of local talent on it ...until the state of Nebraska produces more D1 ready talent it will be tough for Nebraska to be anything better than the occasional NIT team

 

[newAD]

White is one of the nicest kids the team has had in years, but he's got people back home who see only dollar signs. I believe White didn't want to face Big 10 defenses focused primarily on stopping him and figured joining a certain NCAA qualifier was the better way to go for his "NBA future". Not sure how many of you follow the NBA draft, but they discriminate against 23 year olds these days. He has very little chance of getting drafted next year if he couldn't get drafted this year. Teams are going to be wary of drafting a kid who walked away from a challenge which is exactly what Andrew is doing.

I read a couple AAU coaches have been saying all summer that Andrew would leave and that got me to pinpoint the problem. AAU basketball-- play for yourself, switch teams, transfer high schools. Join up with other area standouts to form "super teams". I believe that the whole culture around high level AAU basketball is crooked and self-serving. Andrew, or rather Andrew's dad, is still in that mindset. The AAU mentality is damaging our sport (notice the high number of foreign players drafted last week) and last weekend it damaged our Husker program.

As for Tim Miles, he's got guys he can plug in that better be ready to go. If those kids are truly the real deal, NU may win as many games as they would have with Andrew White on the team. I only say that because chemistry is huge in college basketball. If Andrew only cared about his own stats next year, it would have affected the team negatively. With or without him, this team is going to have ups and downs, maybe better chemistry will help Miles' boys be more resilient.

Totally agree on dad, that White didn't want to be "the man" without (what dad probably perceived as) any help.

Totally agree that White and dad feel going elsewhere helps his small chances of getting drafted. Which it probably will help. A guy on 1620 this morning said that 5 major program coaches called his cell within 5 minutes of him tweeting that White was going to transfer, asking for White's number. So White will have some choices.

I agree the AAU mentality effects players and parents attitudes, even at the lower levels (I've seen it), and there are negatives to it, but it aint going anywhere. But I'm not sure you can say it is the sole reason for the increase in foreign born players in the NBA. Basketball is #2 behind soccer in the number of professional leagues world wide, so there is talent all over the world. We are 24 years past the "Dream Team", and it's not like there weren't good players in other countries back then (former Soviet countries, Brazil, former Yugoslavia countries) but that 92 Olympics continued the spread of basketball's popularity. So yes the 5th year college player is going to be an endangered species in making the NBA. White is most likely going to have to play in the "D" league barring him just absolutely going off next season.

 

[newAD]

It does all come back to quality local kids and getting them to play for you ....look at Nee's best run those teams had a solid base of local talent on it ...until the state of Nebraska produces more D1 ready talent it will be tough for Nebraska to be anything better than the occasional NIT team

And Iba's best team that went to the NIT final 4 (back when the NCAA tourney had 48 teams), Nebraska's best player was Hoppen.

 

[newAD]

White has now quit on two different teams, and we didn't get far with him did we? It looks bad, but I don't think his loss is as big of a deal as many of you.

Gill and McVeigh better be able to make some 3s and stretch the other team's defense or it will be a long season.

 

[litespeedhuskerfan_rivals19671]

Gill and McVeigh better be able to make some 3s and stretch the other team's defense or it will be a long season.

Will we go from not making the tourney, to not making the tourney if those things don't happen?

 

[Hoosker Du]

That's great, but this fantasy that some people have that our facilities and $$$ will get an establiahed coach here is laughable. That will not change until we have a recruiting base in state. There's very few college BB programs that can survive without home state (or regional kids) and Nebraska ain't one of them.

My point about Marshall, would he leave WSU for here if pay were equal??? Highly doubt it.

Other schools around the region have more more talent to draw from closer to their campus. Every single BIG school is in a state that has produced more D1 talent than Nebraska has. Every single BIG school is closer to more major metro areas than Lincoln. Every single BIG school has a better group of bordering states to recruit from than Nebraska does. There are single AAU teams out there that have more D1 players than our state. These aren't excuses, these are facts.

I'm not saying Miles is the answer, because people should know I've been critical of him. However, Nebraska is and will be tough to win at due to population and geography, and who the coach is means little to LONG TERM success until the state produces D1 talent consistently. Nebraska might catch fire every few seasons but it won't be consistent if we open scholarships and no worthy players close by to give them to (who will hopefully take them).

Kansas doesn't produce any D1 talent, and yet there are 2 programs that have had much more success than Nebraska. We need to find a young up and coming coach that has had success at a lower level, and our facilities will bring players in. Miles is bringing in the talent, but his offenses suck.

 

[dinglefritz]

The biggest break for Miles for the future would be that a year from now everyone will be back for 2017-2018 minus Webster.

And THAT along with the quality of incoming recruits is what gives me a BUNCH of hope that this team is going to be much better in the future.

 

[vighawk]

Kansas doesn't produce any D1 talent, and yet there are 2 programs that have had much more success than Nebraska. We need to find a young up and coming coach that has had success at a lower level, and our facilities will bring players in. Miles is bringing in the talent, but his offenses suck.

I respectfully disagree somewhat. Facilities are not what is really important in recruits eyes. I know this first hand. Name recognition, exposure, and success with putting players in the league top the list as far as what recruits want to As Nolan Richardson once said I" have 13 guys on this team and when every one of them stepped foot on this campus they all thought they were going to be in the NBA". As for the type of Coach you described that is kind of what you got with Tim Miles. He was a proven winner at Colorado State and an up-and-comer if you will.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Kansas doesn't produce any D1 talent, and yet there are 2 programs that have had much more success than Nebraska. We need to find a young up and coming coach that has had success at a lower level, and our facilities will bring players in. Miles is bringing in the talent, but his offenses suck.

our offenses have improved virtually yearly -- last year was the best we had had in a while. 200th out of 351 is a grand sight better than 351 out of 351 with sadler. i'm not saying good, i'm saying better and i will also add that we're playing in a vicious league -- you're not going to paul westhead loyola marymount things in this league or even come close if you hope to do anything resembling winning.

as with anything, if you take your time and do it right change generally doesn't happen overnight.

i will admit that i think we take a step back this year -- but i also think only a small step, not a big one. however, our defense should take a fairly large step forward simply by actually having some rebounding -- and we were 100th out of 351 last year.

what's that mean for our record? i don't know.

 

[chicolby]

Kansas doesn't produce any D1 talent, and yet there are 2 programs that have had much more success than Nebraska. We need to find a young up and coming coach that has had success at a lower level, and our facilities will bring players in. Miles is bringing in the talent, but his offenses suck.

That sounds a lot like Miles.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

our offenses have improved virtually yearly -- last year was the best we had had in a while. 200th out of 351 is a grand sight better than 351 out of 351 with sadler. i'm not saying good, i'm saying better and i will also add that we're playing in a vicious league -- you're not going to paul westhead loyola marymount things in this league or even come close if you hope to do anything resembling winning.

as with anything, if you take your time and do it right change generally doesn't happen overnight.

i will admit that i think we take a step back this year -- but i also think only a small step, not a big one. however, our defense should take a fairly large step forward simply by actually having some rebounding -- and we were 100th out of 351 last year.

what's that mean for our record? i don't know.

Kenpom Adjusted Offensive Offeciency Rankings Rankings:

Sadler
2006-103
2007-99
2008-165
2009-96
2010-137
2011-155

Miles
2012-178
2013-112
2014-285<-----------HISTORICALLY BAD
2015-88

This is not a Sadler vs Miles deal...but some seem to be pretty delusional when talking Miles. I would take Miles over Sadler in a heartbeat. We improved last year..of course, that was in large part due to White being on the team who we could not retain...but still an improvement. 2014 was about as bad as it gets. It's been painfully obviously Miles misses Craig Smith..especially on the offensive end where we have been pretty terrible. But, hiring Lewis hopefully will fill that role in helping Miles on the offensive end.

BTW..we should not be taking a "step back" in year five....especially a year AFTER you go 16-18. That doesn't add up...and like I said, Miles better produce within the next two years or I'm not sure he sees year 7...and rightfully so.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

And THAT along with the quality of incoming recruits is what gives me a BUNCH of hope that this team is going to be much better in the future.

Except....we don't know that EVERYBODY will be back. Under Miles, that would be a surprise consdering his history. Next year we may very well be talking about Gill going pro, or Watson transferring....or Roby transferring...or Morrow transferring(hell he was close this year.)....And we will likely be discussing which assistant will be leaving.

 

[dinglefritz]

[QUOTE="huskerbaseball13, post: 2567187, member: 3158" Miles better produce within the next two years or I'm not sure he sees year 7...and rightfully so.[/QUOTE]
Well at least now you're giving him 2 years. I would agree with that and really I think Miles would too. I thought you made it sound as if you wanted him fired today.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

[QUOTE="huskerbaseball13, post: 2567187, member: 3158" Miles better produce within the next two years or I'm not sure he sees year 7...and rightfully so.

Well at least now you're giving him 2 years. I would agree with that and really I think Miles would too. I thought you made it sound as if you wanted him fired today.[/QUOTE]

No, not at all. I've been pretty firm that I think he should and will get six years. Like I said, by next year I think we will all know if Miles is going to get it done here or not. I don't think four years is enough despite the rough times we have had the past few years.

 

[regoratsginrom]

Kansas doesn't produce any D1 talent, and yet there are 2 programs that have had much more success than Nebraska. We need to find a young up and coming coach that has had success at a lower level, and our facilities will bring players in. Miles is bringing in the talent, but his offenses suck.

Not exactly true. The Jayhawks have recently benefitted from Perry Ellis, Tyrel Reed, and Brady Morningstar. All four year players and all starters.

 

[newAD]

Kansas doesn't produce any D1 talent, and yet there are 2 programs that have had much more success than Nebraska. We need to find a young up and coming coach that has had success at a lower level, and our facilities will bring players in. Miles is bringing in the talent, but his offenses suck.

Kansas doesn't produce any? Better check on that again. Perry Ellis (Wichita), Willie Cauley-Stein (Olathe), Conner Frankcamp (Wichita, first went to KU, Transferred to Wichita State), Semi Ojeleye (Ottawa, First went to Duke, then transfered to SMU), Ron Baker (Scott City), Shavon Shields (Olathe), this doesn't count all the Prep School kids out of Wichita.

Young upcoming coach. I thought that was Miles, or was that Collier? Nee was at the time.

Facilities? I'm so tired of hearing about facilities. Those might get you interest, but with everything that goes on with basketball recruiting, no recruit will chose Nebraska just because we have a nice building. You have to show that you have won. If you can't do that, you better be able to convince them that they can/will win. The new facilities just showed that Nebraska finally was finally committed to basketball, after decades of not.

Miles is bringing in talent (on paper), he has also lost an entire recruiting class from a couple years ago. So we have some talent, but so does every school in the BIG. It's not like we have enough right now to be world beaters. It has to be sustained, and that talent has to stay and pan out.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

Kenpom Adjusted Offensive Offeciency Rankings Rankings:

Sadler
2006-103
2007-99
2008-165
2009-96
2010-137
2011-155

Miles
2012-178
2013-112
2014-285<-----------HISTORICALLY BAD
2015-88

This is not a Sadler vs Miles deal...but some seem to be pretty delusional when talking Miles. I would take Miles over Sadler in a heartbeat. We improved last year..of course, that was in large part due to White being on the team who we could not retain...but still an improvement. 2014 was about as bad as it gets. It's been painfully obviously Miles misses Craig Smith..especially on the offensive end where we have been pretty terrible. But, hiring Lewis hopefully will fill that role in helping Miles on the offensive end.

BTW..we should not be taking a "step back" in year five....especially a year AFTER you go 16-18. That doesn't add up...and like I said, Miles better produce within the next two years or I'm not sure he sees year 7...and rightfully so.

jeez, talk about selective reading. i never said take a step back as a team, i said offensively. you trying to tell me nobody has people leave/graduate and is worse on one end of the court but has the same record (or better) the next year? that's so single minded in the pursuit of hating a guy that it's almost unreal.

the thing you're not seeing here is just how bad our lack of inside presence inhibits our offense and crushes our defense. we've been pretty much playing with one hand tied behind our back the entire time miles has been here -- and like it or not, it's not entirely his fault (although striking out for a few years in a row on centers hurt).

basically, the other team gets a lot of chances and we get one due to lack of rebounding -- it's one of those "duh" moments that when that changes, we get a LOT better -- and i'm not even touching interior defense with that one.

we've improved offensively since sadler. that's all i said -- and you admitted it. a one-year blip when he lost his best assistant isn't exactly a shock. i realize he's had issues without smith -- but GENERALLY speaking we've been moving in the right direction from day 1 with miles. i think he's a fairly good coach who got handed a horrible roster with really only one B1G player (shields).

now he's finally got the talent, just needs a couple years to devlop it. if he can't develop it, you'll know -- in two years.

he's got work to do. i never said he was the answer and haven't from the start of this -- i simply said that firing him before two years from now was dumb as hell due to the nature of what he had to overcome.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

jeez, talk about selective reading. i never said take a step back as a team, i said offensively. you trying to tell me nobody has people leave/graduate and is worse on one end of the court but has the same record (or better) the next year? that's so single minded in the pursuit of hating a guy that it's almost unreal.

the thing you're not seeing here is just how bad our lack of inside presence inhibits our offense and crushes our defense. we've been pretty much playing with one hand tied behind our back the entire time miles has been here -- and like it or not, it's not entirely his fault (although striking out for a few years in a row on centers hurt).

basically, the other team gets a lot of chances and we get one due to lack of rebounding -- it's one of those "duh" moments that when that changes, we get a LOT better -- and i'm not even touching interior defense with that one.

we've improved offensively since sadler. that's all i said -- and you admitted it. a one-year blip when he lost his best assistant isn't exactly a shock. i realize he's had issues without smith -- but GENERALLY speaking we've been moving in the right direction from day 1 with miles. i think he's a fairly good coach who got handed a horrible roster with really only one B1G player (shields).

he's got work to do. i never said he was the answer and haven't from the start of this -- i simply said that firing him before two years from now was dumb as hell due to the nature of what he had to overcome.

How him not landing adequate bigs in his first three years is not entirely his fault...I don't know. Sorry, I thought you were talking about overall...not just on offense. If thats the case, then yes...we will take a step back on offense likely and our improvement on defense is may be dependent on Tshimanga who will likely only give us 10-15 minutes a game.

 

[dinglefritz]

Well at least now you're giving him 2 years. I would agree with that and really I think Miles would too. I thought you made it sound as if you wanted him fired today.

No, not at all. I've been pretty firm that I think he should and will get six years. Like I said, by next year I think we will all know if Miles is going to get it done here or not. I don't think four years is enough despite the rough times we have had the past few years.[/QUOTE]

Given the level of his recruiting these past two classes, I think it would be foolish to give him anything less than two more years to see what he can do with these kids. As far as transfers go, we had better get used to it. I saw a stat somewhere that said (if I recall correctly) that over half of the kids signing LOIs for basketball transfer from their original school. NU is not going to be any different.

 

[Kleitusbpn]

How him not landing adequate bigs in his first three years is not entirely his fault...I don't know. Sorry, I thought you were talking about overall...not just on offense. If thats the case, then yes...we will take a step back on offense likely and our improvement on defense is may be dependent on Tshimanga who will likely only give us 10-15 minutes a game.

i didn't say it wasn't his fault -- in fact i implied it was, but at the same time it's an understandable thing. it's not as easy to grab guys like that who are actually B1G as people want to believe. there's a lot of jake hammonds out there who can't handle it -- and he found that out. he needs to probably grab another center in the next year if at all possible. it's just hard in basketball because one guy just means that much to your team and there's only about 5 teams that can recruit like Duke or Kentucky and have that kind of depth.

that doesn't make excuses -- just that a swing and a miss can derail someone who's actually a pretty good coach and it's not entirely their fault. and grabbing below average players to "get by" will suck up a precious scholarship for 4 years. the line between success and failure at the top end is razor thin until you get a coach k-like reputation.

he's finally got the talent, just needs a couple years to develop it. if he can't develop it, you'll know -- in two years. thats all i've really said from the start.

 

[leodisflowers]

We live in a world where no one honors commitments anymore. Unless there is physical abuse, suck it up buttercup.

 

[JohnRossEwing]

We live in a world where no one honors commitments anymore. Unless there is physical abuse, suck it up buttercup.

But that's like saying you should never leave the first job you ever take… Don't you think?

 

[artguy68]

Without having to read 4 pages of snarky comebacks, can someone tell me where White is expected to play?

 

[c2o]

Without having to read 4 pages of snarky comebacks, can someone tell me where White is expected to play?

Creighton.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Creighton.

Can you imagine? It would sure add to the rivalry.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

Can you imagine? It would sure add to the rivalry.

Not really a rivalry with Miles getting owned by them. That will pretty important game for him this year. Going 0-5 against the other in state team will not end well for him.

 

[Harry Caray]

Creighton.

In all honesty, that probably would be a good place to go for him. McDermott knows how to coach offense and put a lot of points on the board, and they have a good nucleus of players returning.

But rumors on Twitter are that Virginia, Indiana, Ohio St, Michigan, and Mizzou are among the teams that contacted him. It would suck twice as much to lose him to another Big Ten school, but it is what it is. I don't really blame him for leaving, he finished his degree - it's just the timing of it is very unfortunate.

 

[c2o]

It's an easy move.
One friend with a truck and it's done in a day.

 

[newAD]

Can you imagine? It would sure add to the rivalry.

CU doesn't need any more help canning 3s against Nebraska.

 

[newAD]

In all honesty, that probably would be a good place to go for him. McDermott knows how to coach offense and put a lot of points on the board, and they have a good nucleus of players returning.

But rumors on Twitter are that Virginia, Indiana, Ohio St, Michigan, and Mizzou are among the teams that contacted him. It would suck twice as much to lose him to another Big Ten school, but it is what it is. I don't really blame him for leaving, he finished his degree - it's just the timing of it is very unfortunate.

I could see Michigan. That'd be a good offense for him to show (or attempt to show) what he can do.

 

[Dean Pope]

Totally agree on dad, that White didn't want to be "the man" without (what dad probably perceived as) any help.

Totally agree that White and dad feel going elsewhere helps his small chances of getting drafted. Which it probably will help. A guy on 1620 this morning said that 5 major program coaches called his cell within 5 minutes of him tweeting that White was going to transfer, asking for White's number. So White will have some choices.

I agree the AAU mentality effects players and parents attitudes, even at the lower levels (I've seen it), and there are negatives to it, but it aint going anywhere. But I'm not sure you can say it is the sole reason for the increase in foreign born players in the NBA. Basketball is #2 behind soccer in the number of professional leagues world wide, so there is talent all over the world. We are 24 years past the "Dream Team", and it's not like there weren't good players in other countries back then (former Soviet countries, Brazil, former Yugoslavia countries) but that 92 Olympics continued the spread of basketball's popularity. So yes the 5th year college player is going to be an endangered species in making the NBA. White is most likely going to have to play in the "D" league barring him just absolutely going off next season.

On the topic of AAU, I'm hearing that there's a movement to get our top American kids into national development programs rather than AAU programs. The focus would be on-- this will sound crazy-- shooting and fundamental development rather than just playing in tournaments all summer. These kids would play eventually on our younger level international teams.

Of course, no one factor like AAU is entirely to blame, but it's a significant part of the problem.

 

[Larry Hagman's Liver]

In all honesty, that probably would be a good place to go for him. McDermott knows how to coach offense and put a lot of points on the board, and they have a good nucleus of players returning.

But rumors on Twitter are that Virginia, Indiana, Ohio St, Michigan, and Mizzou are among the teams that contacted him. It would suck twice as much to lose him to another Big Ten school, but it is what it is. I don't really blame him for leaving, he finished his degree - it's just the timing of it is very unfortunate.

What, no Michigan State? I was hoping he could room with Blake Martinez.

At any rate...

 

[Hoosker Du]

Kansas doesn't produce any? Better check on that again. Perry Ellis (Wichita), Willie Cauley-Stein (Olathe), Conner Frankcamp (Wichita, first went to KU, Transferred to Wichita State), Semi Ojeleye (Ottawa, First went to Duke, then transfered to SMU), Ron Baker (Scott City), Shavon Shields (Olathe), this doesn't count all the Prep School kids out of Wichita.

Young upcoming coach. I thought that was Miles, or was that Collier? Nee was at the time.

Facilities? I'm so tired of hearing about facilities. Those might get you interest, but with everything that goes on with basketball recruiting, no recruit will chose Nebraska just because we have a nice building. You have to show that you have won. If you can't do that, you better be able to convince them that they can/will win. The new facilities just showed that Nebraska finally was finally committed to basketball, after decades of not.

Miles is bringing in talent (on paper), he has also lost an entire recruiting class from a couple years ago. So we have some talent, but so does every school in the BIG. It's not like we have enough right now to be world beaters. It has to be sustained, and that talent has to stay and pan out.

I used "any" as relative term. A player a year contributing at either KU or WSU isn't exactly lighting up the recruiting rankings for the state of KS. Take a look at the rosterrs. The vast majority of players making a difference for either team are from out of state. KU has 2 guys from KS on the roster, and both are reserves. Sure, there are a few here and there, but KU has always recruited nationally, and wouldn't come close to competing for conference titles if they were to rely on the home state for players. The same holds true for WSU.

Miles isn't a young up and coming coach. He was in his mid-40s when he was hired, but I suppose "young" can be perceived differently. People say that all of his team's won prior to Nebraska. He finished in 4th place in the Mountain West the year before he came to Nebraska. He got this gig based on the fact that he made 'some' progress at all of his stops, and won an NCAA game. Woo hoo, let the bells ring out. He's still the same coach whose offenses have sucked from the time he arrived, and who couldn't recruit a big man.

Facilities are all we really have, and facilities are still an important part of the recruiting process. Especially if you are a program that doesn't have much history.

 

[Hoosker Du]

Not really a rivalry with Miles getting owned by them. That will pretty important game for him this year. Going 0-5 against the other in state team will not end well for him.

For some added perspective, Miles is now 0-11 all time vs McDermott.

 

[huskerbaseball13]

For some added perspective, Miles is now 0-11 all time vs McDermott.

0-12 actually...I'd say its pretty important for Miles to get his first win over them this year. Last two years he got worked over by the Creighton staff. If he continues to be stubborn going into that game he will be 0-5 vs the Omaha team.

 

[Hoosker Du]

0-12 actually...I'd say its pretty important for Miles to get his first win over them this year. Last two years he got worked over by the Creighton staff. If he continues to be stubborn going into that game he will be 0-5 vs the Omaha team.

I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening. Tim Miles losing to McDermott is as sure as the sun showing up in the eastern sky each morning.

 

[Harry Caray]

He got this gig based on the fact that he made 'some' progress at all of his stops, and won an NCAA game.

Actually, Miles has never won an NCAA tourney game. He made the tourney his last season at CSU, but was blown out by Murray St and only put up 41 points in that game.

Look, Miles has a good track record of turning around lower-level programs. But major-conference bball is a totally different game - elite coaches, better talent, more egos to manage. The coaching graveyard is full of successful mid-major coaches who couldn't get the job done at this level. I still have some hope that Miles can get it done, and he deserves two more years, but I am starting to have major doubts.