Annnnd 17ing Frost has an E.

[KurtRambis4]

Seriously. Who looks at this kid, when he plays 3b, and says "man he's a good option when we want to rest Norris!"??? He CANNOT make a throw from 3B to 1B...CANNOT!

 

[msstate7]

No bat. No glove. What does he bring to the table?

 

[KurtRambis4]

Cox/Frazier/Hann bail Frost out**

*

 

[dogeatdog]

Norris needs to be in the lineup.....Cohen needs to get the lineup set before

SEC play starts and with the games that Norris missed last year, he needs to be in the lineup........

 

[KurtRambis4]

To his credit

he has swung the bat well this year, so far. He isn't terrible in the field, when he isn't at 3b, either. However, the kid does not, under any cicumstances, deserve to be at 3B.

 

[KurtRambis4]

We REALLY need to give

Flair a shot. He has really hit the ball well in his few chances.

 

[Will James]

On another note Hann and Pirtle are not ready at the plate to deserve PT. League play is soon and we need to see a steady lineup soon. We have a solid starting 9 but depth is not as deep offensively as previously thought.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Those two

have been pretty awful at the plate.

 

[tdawg22]

Frost is a lot better hitter than some of y'all give him credit for.

 

[Will James]

After Ammo and Hendo's at bats attempting to * I hope y'all realize what I mean that many of our kids can't get it down. Great call stealing Frost and glad Ammo 17ed his up and got on.

 

[KurtRambis4]

I can't

speak as to the others in the thread, but I haven't said anything bad about his hitting. My gripe is with playing him at 3B. The guy just is not capable of making a throw from third to first, in order to record an out.

 

[Todd4State]

If that's true, explain to me why we lead the league in sacrifices and probably lead the league in **** singles?

Just saying somebody is getting those ****s down.

 

[Todd4State]

Seriously. Who looks at this kid, when he plays 3b, and says "man he's a good option when we want to rest Norris!" He CANNOT make a throw from 3B to 1B...CANNOT!

Agree- I'm wondering why Flair didn't start?

 

[Todd4State]

On another note Hann and Pirtle are not ready at the plate to deserve PT. League play is soon and we need to see a steady lineup soon. We have a solid starting 9 but depth is not as deep offensively as previously thought.

We're still only in week three. We won't see a steady lineup until we play LSU.

 

[Will James]

If that's true, explain to me why we lead the league in sacrifices and probably lead the league in **** singles?

Just saying somebody is getting those ****s down.

Uh yeah some people can and some people can't. We can see that by watching over the past couple years that many ** are 17ed up and ABs wasted. Luckily Cohen has shown that he is moving away from man on first no out *.

After that first weekend with 7 sacs we have only had 4 since. I believe I called this coaching progression. Even Cohen is letting it go but you still stick to it haha. I'll bet you would still start Pirtle at 2nd wouldn't you. Come into the 21st century Todd. Only 4 sacs in the last 10 games Todd. You were always wrong on this. You are good at listing the names of 10 baseball recruits but in-game you are lacking. Me Rouge Philly, Coach, increasingly Cadaver, Pat, even Cohen have the strategy down.

 

[KurtRambis4]

"even Cohen"

Come on now. This is where you and I disagree. You seem to paint a picture that Cohen is clueless on baseball strategy.

 

[Will James]

Come on now. This is where you and I disagree. You seem to paint a picture that Cohen is clueless on baseball strategy.

Come on its just one small detail and he's even coming around on that. He's been a great coach with a small flaw, and he's even working on that.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Exactly

One SMALL detail...but you beat it in our heads over and over and over and over and over and over and continue too. Nobody is perfect. Enjoy the season.

Given that, there are still factors at play, I believe that determine Cohen making certain calls in certain situations. It' not as cut and dry as "man on first no outs". If that were the case, any clown could be Augie Garrido.

 

[Will James]

One SMALL detail...but you beat it in our heads over and over and over and over and over and over and continue too. Nobody is perfect. Enjoy the season.

Given that, there are still factors at play, I believe that determine Cohen making certain calls in certain situations. It' not as cut and dry as "man on first no outs". If that were the case, any clown could be Augie Garrido.

Its small in the fact that baseball has many details but it has large ramifications. Cohen is moving away from it. This is a good thing if it keeps up and we will all enjoy Omaha.

 

[chefdawg]

Frost? Better hitter than we think? I'd personally prefer anyone who can crack .220 in non-conference play, thanks.

 

[Todd4State]

Uh yeah some people can and some people can't. We can see that by watching over the past couple years that many ** are 17ed up and ABs wasted. Luckily Cohen has shown that he is moving away from man on first no out *.

After that first weekend with 7 sacs we have only had 4 since. I believe I called this coaching progression. Even Cohen is letting it go but you still stick to it haha. I'll bet you would still start Pirtle at 2nd wouldn't you. Come into the 21st century Todd. Only 4 sacs in the last 10 games Todd. You were always wrong on this. You are good at listing the names of 10 baseball recruits but in-game you are lacking. Me Rouge Philly, Coach, increasingly Cadaver, Pat, even Cohen have the strategy down.

You said "many" of our players can't get ****s down, and yet- we lead the league in sacrifices and **** singles. You didn't answer the question. I can show you stats if you would like.

You called this "coaching progression"? LOL. Please show me where you said that Cohen would change strategies? And yet, the whole time guess who was saying that we would steal more this year when we were healthy and more experienced going back to LAST year. I'm sure if you search this forum you will find where I said it MANY times.

Also- you **** less if you are up big. Here are the scores for our last ten games- 3-2, 8-2, 7-6 (come from behind win, which means no ****ing), 8-1, 13-2, 17-5, 10-0, 4-1, 3-2, and 2-1. So- out of our last 10 games, we have seven that were not games where you would **** a lot. And yet again even in the close games, by your admission despite your proclaimed "coaching progression", we STILL attempted to **** twice in the close games.

Not sure why you brought up Brett Pirtle since I'm pretty sure I've been saying we should start Detz at second for at least two weeks now. Are you trying to bust me for being right by saying Pirtle was going to be our starting second baseman on opening day- because again, I was correct about that.

You should probably put the stat book down and maybe actually watch a game or two and maybe then you would understand what's going on and why you sound like an idiot.

 

[Will James]

We had big innings. As Rouge can tell you that happens when we don't play Todd nostalgia Lou Brock baseball.

 

[Todd4State]

Again, you prove that you have no clue what you are talking about.

First of all- even last year we averaged a little over ONE **** a game. As opposed to the 3-6 that someone (not you) stated. Second of all, you are going off of a stat that was largely based off of computer models by Bill James rather than actual in game results- and doesn't even count ****s that go for hits.

What ****ing does is add a dimension to our offense. Being able to do it can be very critical in a close game. It also can bring the corner infielders in (the third baseman in particular) which opens up more holes on the infield making it easier to hit. That's not going to show up in any stat. It puts something in the mind of the defense that they have to account for- the more things that they have to account for, the better off we are. Now- that is not limited to just ****ing. Stealing bases- which is something we have done a LOT more of the past few weeks, putting on hit and runs, are also examples of things we can do and ways that we can create runs. We also have speed where we can possibly leg out some hits- which have done several times this year, and it has already helped us win at least two games. Also, because we **** a fairly good bit, we can sometimes get good pitches to hit because the pitcher who may suspect we are going to **** may throw a pitch that's easier to handle or a ball way out of the zone allowing us to get ahead in the count.

Now we are adding power in the form of Wes and Hunter when they come back healthy and that will create another big dimension to our lineup.

 

[Todd4State]

Why didn't we have any big innings today?

Again- like I said, we are going to play in three types of games- close, games where we blow someone out, and games where we get blown out.

When you play close games, you have to create. You are not going to outslug everyone every single time. In the close games, you have to do something to make the difference. We created today by stealing bases.

My style is actually more modern, aggressive, and exciting than yours- speed at the top, power in the middle, and speed at the bottom. Unless you consider Tony LaRussa nostalgic.

 

[Will James]

I like on base at the top, power in the middle, and leftovers at the bottom. My style has been proven. I called Detz in the 3 hole a week ago. Look what happened.

 

[Todd4State]

Leftovers?

I like on base at the top, power in the middle, and leftovers at the bottom. My style has been proven. I called Detz in the 3 hole a week ago. Look what happened.

Why not have productive players throughout the ENTIRE lineup which is what my style basically is? I would much rather **** once than have my 7-9 hitters go 0 for 9. Your style has proven to be top heavy.

My style is proven too- 5,097 wins and 3 World Series titles and six pennants. That's Tony LaRussa's stats. Oh yeah- and the entire American League agrees with me as well.

Good call on Detz in the three hole. It doesn't trump your wrong calls on our hitting this year be bad, Chad Girodo, and offense in general.

 

[Will James]

Why not have productive players throughout the ENTIRE lineup which is what my style basically is? I would much rather **** once than have my 7-9 hitters go 0 for 9. Your style has proven to be top heavy.

Yeah because Porter (.310) Henderson (.324) and Norris (.310) are great candidates to go 0-9. See what I did there, took a flamethrower to your strawman. If you want productive players, don't take the bat out of their hands.

 

[Todd4State]

I don't exactly consider

guys hitting over .300 "leftovers". I also don't consider the 4 hole in the lineup to be the bottom which is where Trey Porter has been hitting a majority of the year. On top of that- you also listed Demarcus Henderson, a guy that has good speed. I'm beginning to wonder if you even follow our team at all?

Production comes in many forms- including stealing bases and using speed. It could come in the form of power hitting or hitting for average. If you want productive players and a productive TEAM- you don't have "leftovers". You do things to maximize their talents and their potential. That's why your philosophy doesn't work as well as mine. Having someone that is a bad hitter swing away with runners on is not a good idea because your odds of the hitter striking out or hitting into a double play are better than a successful (hit) outcome especially in a close game. And especially if the hitter behind the bad hitter is a good hitter. Again, you manage based on individual situations rather than broad and general stats.

I didn't set up a strawman at all- if anything you did when you said "leftovers", which I found pretty humorous.