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Franklin was fired by Penn State; he has no obligation to promote its interests (retaining recruits or anything else). Even if recruits do not go to VTech (Huhn, Mickens, Sieg, and others were there for their game with Miami) he will encourage them to go elsewhere.

One reason why Franklin jumped back into the coaching pool and opted not to sit on a beach with an umbrella drink or in a TV studio (as many expected) is because he wanted to stay in the game, leverage his relationships, and lastly provide a landing spot to his coaches and the players with whom he had built relationships. This was very calculated, and guess what, he will negatively recruit against PSU every chance he gets. Any disgruntled ex-employee would do the same if it would improve their chances of being successful in the next stop.)

Like or hate Franklin (I am in neither camp) he was a relationship guy and many recruits were linked to him, less to Penn State, That the class cratered because he left should have been expected. LSU and Florida are not losing recruits because most commit to the brand, not the coach. Florida kids dream of going to Florida; Louisiana kids to LSU; this does not appear to be the case at PSU.

I think the expectation should be a clean slate. 30 seniors were honored on senior day, so in addition to the loss of the entire 26 class one should prepare for a mass exodus of players from this roster. How they replace them is another issue.
 
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DaytonRickster

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Itraindogs said:
Franklin was fired by Penn State; he has no obligation to promote its interests (retaining recruits or anything else). Even if recruits do not go to VTech (Huhn, Mickens, Sieg, and others were there for their game with Miami) he will encourage them to go elsewhere.

One reason why Franklin jumped back into the coaching pool and opted not to sit on a beach with an umbrella drink or in a TV studio (as many expected) is because he wanted to stay in the game, leverage his relationships, and lastly provide a landing spot to his coaches and the players with whom he had built relationships. This was very calculated, and guess what, he will negatively recruit against PSU every chance he gets. Any disgruntled ex-employee would do the same if it would improve their chances of being successful in the next stop.)

Like or hate Franklin (I am in neither camp) he was a relationship guy and many recruits were linked to him, less to Penn State, That the class cratered because he left should have been expected. LSU and Florida are not losing recruits because most commit to the brand, not the coach. Florida kids dream of going to Florida; Louisiana kids to LSU; this does not appear to be the case at PSU.

I think the expectation should be a clean slate. 30 seniors were honored on senior day, so in addition to the loss of the entire 26 class one should prepare for a mass exodus of players from this roster. How they replace them is another issue.
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Thus, the clean slate calls for a HC outside the program.
 
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Itraindogs said:
Like or hate Franklin (I am in neither camp) he was a relationship guy and many recruits were linked to him, less to Penn State, That the class cratered because he left should have been expected. LSU and Florida are not losing recruits because most commit to the brand, not the coach. Florida kids dream of going to Florida; Louisiana kids to LSU; this does not appear to be the case at PSU.
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Those schools are also hotbeds for recruiting as compared to PA. Florida and LSU can lose out on a few local targets (and they do), but they also have a longer list of local blue-chip guys who they can immediately replace the misses with. Pennsylvania is more limited in those numbers and there are complexities there that even Franklin couldn't quite successfully navigate to the extent he wanted to (but, I won't get into that here).

And so that is my concern about PSU. Whoever the next guy is needs to be a elite recruiter, but we also have to do the work on the field to elevate the PSU brand once again beyond what CJF got it to. The facility projects can help, but branding truly starts and ends with what you do when the games are played. Unfortunately, we have to be more regional and national in our recruiting efforts, so on-field success and often being in the national spotlight are even more important in that context.
 
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CyphaPSU said:
Those schools are also hotbeds for recruiting as compared to PA. Florida and LSU can lose out on a few local targets (and they do), but they also have a longer list of local blue-chip guys who they can immediately replace the misses with. Pennsylvania is more limited in those numbers and there are complexities there that even Franklin couldn't quite successfully navigate to the extent he wanted to (but, I won't get into that here).

And so that is my concern about PSU. Whoever the next guy is needs to be a elite recruiter, but we also have to do the work on the field to elevate the PSU brand once again beyond what CJF got it to. The facility projects can help, but branding truly starts and ends with what you do when the games are played. Unfortunately, we have to be more regional and national in our recruiting efforts, so on-field success and often being in the national spotlight are even more important in that context.
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I agree, though I would add compensation to your list. If a school is not in a talent rich environment it needs to simply pay more to bring in talent.
 
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Wilbury

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PSUForever said:
Terry Smith cannot control for recruits decommitting since he is an interim coach. He can't make up for that uncertainty. Do you have an answer or simply you are good at complaining and stating the captain obvious problems?
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so why is PSU the only team with an interim coach losing so many players?
 
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Wilbury said:
so why is PSU the only team with an interim coach losing so many players?
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I can't blame Terry or the remaining staff. We heard CJF recruited players more to himself than PSU. And, if the rumors are true, two former staff members that are now with Franklin, were calling commits and encouraging them to decommit and their NIL would be terminated, all while they were still on staff at PSU. Unethical if true.
 
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PSUcup

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I believe the LSU and Florida verbals didn’t have their NIL deals terminated when the coach got fired …. That’s going to keep them in the fold for longer
 
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BillDiehlNorstar said:
Because the fired coach has been hired by someone else. Mickens is gone to VT today I was told by a vt friend , btw
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Kevin Brown (OL) much bigger loss than Messiah Mickens. PSU needs to work to keep RBs T. Hayes, Cam Wallace, Jabree Coleman and Cory Smith. I would also like to see RB Q. Martin tried at slot receiver if he stays.
 
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Like I said, if the kids you are losing, are Franklin level recruits, are you really missing anything? Let's start over and build with Chesney kids instead. While we are at it let's get that qb to come with Bob because the kid has a lot of trace quality to him
 
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KingLando said:
Who wants to take bets on if he's still at Va Tech in 2028?
The reality is--these kids will quickly learn loyalty to Franklin doesn't benefit them--well, some don't learn quickly (looking at Drew)
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So Franklin’s too loyal to his players to beat good teams but loyalty to him doesn’t benefit them…wow, that’s some twisted logic.
 
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Ludd said:
So Franklin’s too loyal to his players to beat good teams but loyalty to him doesn’t benefit them…wow, that’s some twisted logic.
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I'm sorry--when do you think I said he can't beat good teams due to loyalty? Never once said or implied that. If others did, ask them if they think loyalty to him is a problem for the players
 
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KingLando said:
I'm sorry--when do you think I said he can't beat good teams due to loyalty? Never once said or implied that. If others did, ask them if they think loyalty to him is a problem for the players
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I’ve read on this board for years he was too loyal to his players and played guys that shouldn’t play due to that. If you didn’t say that then I apologize and wasn’t aiming that particular comment at you, just in general.
 
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Ludd said:
I’ve read on this board for years he was too loyal to his players and played guys that shouldn’t play due to that. If you didn’t say that then I apologize and wasn’t aiming that particular comment at you, just in general.
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You responded to me but apology accepted.
I don't believe he's loyal to his players (I think he demands loyalty to him) so it definitely wasn't me.
 
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It is spreading out there that while still employed by PSU, Chris Mahon, now working for Franklin at VT, was encouraging our recruits to decommit from PSU. There is a reason why we are seeing this astronomical number of de-commits that is truly unprecedented. It’s tampering. F Franklin. But also Krafty and Terry probably should’ve done more as well to separate the Franklin people from the ops. Terry himself has admitted in press conferences to still be conversing with Franklin on a regular basis in a mentor relationship. This is messy. Edit - sorry, but I now see Dayton already posted something on this in the thread. But still, this is spreading far and wide right now.
 
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LMTLION said:


It is spreading out there that while still employed by PSU, Chris Mahon, now working for Franklin at VT, was encouraging our recruits to decommit from PSU. There is a reason why we are seeing this astronomical number of de-commits that is truly unprecedented. It’s tampering. F Franklin. But also Krafty and Terry probably should’ve done more as well to separate the Franklin people from the ops. Terry himself has admitted in press conferences to still be conversing with Franklin on a regular basis in a mentor relationship. This is messy. Edit - sorry, but I now see Dayton already posted something on this in the thread. But still, this is spreading far and wide right now.
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This is a bad look. Shame on Franklin!
 
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LMTLION

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JVP_Yahweh said:
This is a bad look. Shame on Franklin!
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Yeah, it’s a pretty low blow. At this point, Terry also needs to make a very large decision to completely disassociate himself from Franklin. It is surprising that he still converses with him in a mentor relationship, and right underneath Terry’s nose our recruits are getting plucked away at an unprecedented rate. Terry has done some wonderful things motivating the team, but he’s probably not ready to take this job at PSU.
 
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