I think we should save this conversation for when Mullen actually does leave, Miles and Richt are fired...until then what's the point here? State fans are like the ugly guy that somehow got a hot girl and can't believe it. He tells said girl that he can't believe he's with her so many times that she starts to not believe she's with him and leaves him. It's like we just can't understand that a good coach would want to come to our school.
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Mullen could be at State for a while even if he was successful, y'all just have to pony up some cash... and I don't think it's beyond State's funding range.
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but Arkansas is also Tuberville's home. That had to make the job a little more attractive to him than it would for a typical coach.
That gets you into a good bowl game, and puts you in a positive light since we are a SEC school. I am never OK with losing to Ole Miss- or anyone else. I know that we won't beat Ole Miss every time, but that doesn't mean that I'm OK with it. But, I feel the same way about everyone else in the SEC.
As far as where Dan would go- who knows? Syracuse? He is from the north. Arizona? The Ninja is there? Michigan might be looking for someone soon if Rodriguez doesn't start winning. It just depends on what is open at the time. I think he is a good coach. If he is successful at MSU, and it looks like he will, then he will be attractive because he is winning at a school that has been perceived as a "coaching graveyard" and is in the best conference in America. That's not too shabby. He has also been a part of National Championships and has coached QB's that have won Heismans and one that was the first pick in the NFL draft.
I think Richt is a better coach than he has been given credit for- perhaps even underrated. My minister was talking about him in a sermon, and listed some of his accomplishments, and they were really impressive- SEC Championships, BCS bowls, etc. I was surprised at his total body of work. He to has coached a first round pick in the NFL draft in Matthew Stafford. The one thing he doesn't have is a NC. And again, not that he would be my first choice, but he would be my top retread pick. He may not take MSU to BCS bowls, but I think he could win 7-8 games a year at MSU- my biggest fear would be that he would hire Willie Martinez as his DC, and I do not like him as a coach. At least we know what we are getting with Richt, and I think he would be a pretty good hire for MSU.
As far as where Dan would go- who knows? Syracuse? He is from the north. Arizona? The Ninja is there? Michigan might be looking for someone soon if Rodriguez doesn't start winning. It just depends on what is open at the time. I think he is a good coach. If he is successful at MSU, and it looks like he will, then he will be attractive because he is winning at a school that has been perceived as a "coaching graveyard" and is in the best conference in America. That's not too shabby. He has also been a part of National Championships and has coached QB's that have won Heismans and one that was the first pick in the NFL draft.
I think Richt is a better coach than he has been given credit for- perhaps even underrated. My minister was talking about him in a sermon, and listed some of his accomplishments, and they were really impressive- SEC Championships, BCS bowls, etc. I was surprised at his total body of work. He to has coached a first round pick in the NFL draft in Matthew Stafford. The one thing he doesn't have is a NC. And again, not that he would be my first choice, but he would be my top retread pick. He may not take MSU to BCS bowls, but I think he could win 7-8 games a year at MSU- my biggest fear would be that he would hire Willie Martinez as his DC, and I do not like him as a coach. At least we know what we are getting with Richt, and I think he would be a pretty good hire for MSU.
if one of the Big 6 SEC schools ever wants to get in a bidding war for a coach with one of the Little 6, the Big 6 school will win every time. And attitude doesn't have anything to do with it. When's the last time a Little 6 coach turned a Big 6 school down to stay where he was?
I really think we could pay him. I believe Croom was making around 2.5 mil/year when he was let go, so it's not out of the realm of possibility to think we could get up to 3-3.5 mil/year tops.TUSK said:
I think right now, which honestly I have no clue, but we could top out a little over 2.5 million.
I'm more than okay with that coming off this past decade. Sure, I'd love to have the occasional 10 win years, but beggars can't be choosers. Just give me above average ball and some post-season entertainment and call it a day.
I agree, if this is the Mullen product over the next few years, I don't see him making any intra-conference moves. Like you said, coaches typically aren't cherry picked from within the SEC. If he moves, it will be outside of the conference and any of those moves after a few 7/8 win seasons would likely be lateral-ish in nature and not worth the risk of making a change. I seriously doubt USC, ND, PSU, Mich, etc. are going to be calling after a few decent seasons, should those happen. I'm also fairly confident we could remain competitive salary wise (2.5M to 3.0M) to keep Mullen in Starkville if we get some B list competition from outside of the SEC. Croom was paid $1.7M during his reign of terror. I see no reason we couldn't drive up the funds 50% after a few solid seasons...
The only thing that would worry me is if Meyer does hang it up in the next few years. I could see UF courting Mullen (assuming 7/8 win seasons) just because it would be the easy thing to do since he knows their system so well. There would be little hiccups in their transition if they got Mullen. That may be valuable enough for them to gamble on vs. hiring a bigger name and more established coach. Other than that, I'm not too worried. I could see minority portions of SEC fan bases wanting Dan (people seem to like him, except you guys, of course) if we enjoy moderate success, but most people will look at the decent records with no extraordinary results and likely say "pass".
Now, if he does manage a 10 win season or two, he'll obviously be auctioned off to the highest bidder. I'll be happy to cross that bridge if we get there.
First, I will agree on one point. If LSU and/or UGA (assuming they are in the market next year) are looking for HC's next year and they offer Mullen, he's gone even if we could pony up $3M+. I'm on the same page there.
But, why assume they are going to do that? I think some are forgetting the massive egos of the upper echelon SEC programs. Let's even assume Mullen gets us 8 wins this year. Do you think LSU/UGA are going automatically defer to a coach as green as Mullen? Yeah, he shows promise, but if the assumption pans out, he's only got one 8 win season and one bowl game on his resume. LSU's and UGA's pockets are definitely deep enough and their fans arrogant enough to demand much more seasoned candidates be offered before they go after Mullen. I think Mullen, even after a nice season this year, is down on their lists if they are coach shopping. Not saying they won't have to defer to option D or worse, but they have the money and traditions to shop some pretty damn good names.
But, why assume they are going to do that? I think some are forgetting the massive egos of the upper echelon SEC programs. Let's even assume Mullen gets us 8 wins this year. Do you think LSU/UGA are going automatically defer to a coach as green as Mullen? Yeah, he shows promise, but if the assumption pans out, he's only got one 8 win season and one bowl game on his resume. LSU's and UGA's pockets are definitely deep enough and their fans arrogant enough to demand much more seasoned candidates be offered before they go after Mullen. I think Mullen, even after a nice season this year, is down on their lists if they are coach shopping. Not saying they won't have to defer to option D or worse, but they have the money and traditions to shop some pretty damn good names.
comes in- I feel like he will be contacted. Whether an offer would come his way- who knows? But his name will pop-up quite often after our 7 wins and bowl appearance in December
LSU? Their last 2 head coaches were from mid-level schools from BCS conferences that had had moderate success- and no conference championships.
Georgia? Hired a top OC in Richt and a moderately successful coach from Marshall in Donnan...
These are just 2 schools that could be looking for coaches come December. Just a little speculation is all
LSU? Their last 2 head coaches were from mid-level schools from BCS conferences that had had moderate success- and no conference championships.
Georgia? Hired a top OC in Richt and a moderately successful coach from Marshall in Donnan...
These are just 2 schools that could be looking for coaches come December. Just a little speculation is all
Mullen's leaving, Richt may or may not be ok, Tuberville is out of touch, we can't compete with the big boys, type of post. Man, can practice hurry up and get here so we can have something else to talk about.