Any news on R. Elliot's recovery?

[dgsmith15]

I don't have a replay to watch. Do you have one from YouTube or something you could link from here?

 

[Center Z]

but he WAS the surgeon:

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[War Machine Dawg]

But I clearly remember the replay from the game that night. Like I said, you could see the knee torque when he tried to cut because his cleat stuck in the turf. Maybe someone else on here has a replay or knows where one is? He did take a shot to the knee at the end of the run that I suspect worsened the injury, though.

 

[curbmyenthusiasm]

i don't think he'd be interested in being a team doctor for any college. he's way past that.</p>

Dr. Andrew's is both Auburn and Alabama's team doctor.

 

[dpaul798]

wow

 

[BewareOfMSUDawg]

It all makes sense now!!</p>

 

[dpaul798]

those doctors do those surgeries every day. if you don't work HARD in rehab, you aren't going to be the same.

actually those surgeries in the grand scheme of a surgical schedule are not that common and are a big deal. now if you have someone in the field of sports medicine that does a good many of them they are a bit more routine ut are still a big deal nonetheless. i tell you this, it is REAL easy for an average surgeon to jack an acl procedure up..it aint that easy

 

[dpaul798]

in the last 2 football seasons SEVERELY injure legs and knees playing football while being essentially untouched by anyone (Riddell, Elliott and McRae).

Most leg low extremity, especially ligament tears, are NON contact. An overwhelming majority.

wrong

 

[dpaul798]

RE's family opted to have two surgeries instead of fixing both ligaments at the same time. the football program was pissed at him for doing so b/c it makes for a much longer recovery. RE went with his own DR from what I understand. I don't think State's team did the op... The MSU docs may have done the actual operation, but a family doctor decided on two procedures instead of one. I don't know why RE would have consulted someone and then had a Dr who disagrees with that consult to do the actual op.

typically the family doesnt decide squat in that case. the surgeon makes a determination from his exam and mri, xray what course of action will be taken. from that point a consent for surgery is signed by the patient (which usually includes everything under the sun) and the procedure takes place. during the procedure it is VERY RARE that a surgeon will consult the family and if they do it isnt to ask them their opinion on what they want him to do.

 

[LR1400]

I did not refer to Robert's injury was non-contact. I know he was hit, I was watching. If I did it was a typo.

I thought Elliott's injury occurred while he was going for the end zone during the LSU game. If I remember correctly, there was PLENTY of contact on that play.

I said MOST. Willis McGahee's was like Elliott's

You may have said MOST, but you referenced Elliott after saying that most of the severe knee injuries happen with little, to no contact. In my opinion, by mentioning Elliott's name you are insinuating that his happened with little, to no contact.

 

[VinceVega70]

The therapy is at least as important. It is difficult and requires discipline and perseverance. two qualities not common in our society. Half-*** rehab will limit the success of even the best surgery. You are correct that ability of surgeons varies greatly, but you and I don't have enough info to judge. And you so easily slander Rusty Linton's work. All you really know is that many State athletes never make it back from knee injuries. You don't know how hard they rehabbed. You don't know the details of their procedures. You are simply guessing. I've never met Dr. Linton, but I've worked in health care for years and I understand that there are many variables that go into the successful recovery from a knee injury. It isn't as simple as you make it out to be.

 

[LR1400]

I know RL's partner's on a personal basis. I will ask them about this. Sometimes the injury is too catastrophic. I know of more than one person who has nerve damage that happened when tearing various knee ligaments. Robert Edwards being one and another person I know personally. Fyi, they're not paid to hold your hand most docs have poor beside manner.

RL did husband's knee. Radiologist said it was one of the worst knee injuries he had ever seen. Torn ACL, ruptured medial meniscus, multiple mini-fractures in femur and tibia (when they colided as he landed), and the largest joint effusion he had ever seen. The dang thing was swollen three times normal before we ever got him off the court. Couldn't do surgery for 10 days because the swelling was so bad. RL's partner said the surgery would take at least 4 hours. RL did it in 45 minutes. At times he can hardly walk on it. After many visits where RL waltzed in and out in a matter of seconds, it was obvious he did not care, nor wanted to acknowledge that the surgery was a failure. He spent the majority of the time quoting his success rates compared to the national average. Husband says it felt better before the surgery!

 

[LR1400]

Dude, are you trying to be a pain in the ***? I know that Robert was hit when injured. So that of course means I know his injury was contact based. But in my original post, which I went back and read, I do not reference Robert. I replied to a message that one fella happened to mention Robert's name in parentheses. it was the last thread I read and replied. I was simply stating the FACT that most lower leg ligament injuries, to be even more specific, are NON-contact based. This is a FACT I was simply pointing out. I don't give a **** what I replied to, I was not "referencing" any specific injury of any specific player. I know the guy I replied to was incorrect in placing Robert's name in the non-contact category. i, like you, was watching the game and saw him get hit causing his knee injury.

I did not refer to Robert's injury was non-contact. I know he was hit, I was watching. If I did it was a typo.

I thought Elliott's injury occurred while he was going for the end zone during the LSU game. If I remember correctly, there was PLENTY of contact on that play.

I said MOST. Willis McGahee's was like Elliott's

You may have said MOST, but you referenced Elliott after saying that most of the severe knee injuries happen with little, to no contact. In my opinion, by mentioning Elliott's name you are insinuating that his happened with little, to no contact.

 

[whatever.sixpack]

Pretty sure Clarence McDougal and Pig Prather tore ACL's and came back to be pretty effective. I know there are others, just can't think of names right now.

 

[dgsmith15]

Dude, are you trying to be a pain in the ***? I know that Robert was hit when injured. So that of course means I know his injury was contact based. But in my original post, which I went back and read, I do not reference Robert. I replied to a message that one fella happened to mention Robert's name in parentheses. it was the last thread I read and replied. I was simply stating the FACT that most lower leg ligament injuries, to be even more specific, are NON-contact based. This is a FACT I was simply pointing out. I don't give a **** what I replied to, I was not "referencing" any specific injury of any specific player. I know the guy I replied to was incorrect in placing Robert's name in the non-contact category. i, like you, was watching the game and saw him get hit causing his knee injury.

I did not refer to Robert's injury was non-contact. I know he was hit, I was watching. If I did it was a typo.

I thought Elliott's injury occurred while he was going for the end zone during the LSU game. If I remember correctly, there was PLENTY of contact on that play.

I said MOST. Willis McGahee's was like Elliott's

You may have said MOST, but you referenced Elliott after saying that most of the severe knee injuries happen with little, to no contact. In my opinion, by mentioning Elliott's name you are insinuating that his happened with little, to no contact.

Actually, I'm not trying to be a pain in the ***. My original post was a reply the one your referenced. I may have mistakenly replied to yours instead of his which would may have caused the confusion. Apologies good sir.

 

[cb6228]

i don't think he'd be interested in being a team doctor for any college. he's way past that.</p>

Dr. Andrew's is both Auburn and Alabama's team doctor.

Andrews is neither Auburn nor Alabama's team doctor. His 10 fellows he has each year compete to be the AU and UA team surgeons. American Sports Medicine Institute may be the treating surgeons but I can assure you that it is his fellows that handle all of the care. I personally know half of his fellows. Andrews does very little, if any, of the cases that come to his surgical center. He may see them, but he rarely operates anymore. He closely monitors them though.

 

[cb6228]

those doctors do those surgeries every day. if you don't work HARD in rehab, you aren't going to be the same.

actually those surgeries in the grand scheme of a surgical schedule are not that common and are a big deal. now if you have someone in the field of sports medicine that does a good many of them they are a bit more routine ut are still a big deal nonetheless. i tell you this, it is REAL easy for an average surgeon to jack an acl procedure up..it aint that easy

If you are doing ACL repairs on athletes in this day and age, then you do at least a couple a week. Single bundle, double bundle, open, tunneled, arthroscopic assisted, etc... Trust me...whoever did it has done hundreds if not thousands. All it takes is a non-compliant patient to $%&# it all up.

 

[vicious]

Unless you r the doctor and then why would you be giving out patient information?

 

[vicious]

Linton's reputation as an orthopedic has had its detractors over the years. Right ot wrong...who knows? Like I said if Linton didn't do the work then I stand corrected. People should not slander Elliot as well by posting he is not rehabbing with the right intensity when they have no idea either. To me its bad to go after a kid when you really don't know. I get upset when we all start to blame it on the kid when the doctor could be responsible as well. jmo

 

[Todd4State]

is getting pretty old isn't he?

It must be nice to be the boss of DOCTORS. I know Dr. Andrews has to be racking up- for a MD of course.

 

[dpaul798]

those doctors do those surgeries every day. if you don't work HARD in rehab, you aren't going to be the same.

actually those surgeries in the grand scheme of a surgical schedule are not that common and are a big deal. now if you have someone in the field of sports medicine that does a good many of them they are a bit more routine ut are still a big deal nonetheless. i tell you this, it is REAL easy for an average surgeon to jack an acl procedure up..it aint that easy

If you are doing ACL repairs on athletes in this day and age, then you do at least a couple a week. Single bundle, double bundle, open, tunneled, arthroscopic assisted, etc... Trust me...whoever did it has done hundreds if not thousands. All it takes is a non-compliant patient to $%&# it all up.

dude single and double bundles are so damn different its not even funny get your *** off google( and what the 17 is tunneled? aint no **** i ever heard of). and there are tons of guys that only do a few acls a year. so im not trusting you as far as with your count. non-compliant patients can jack things up. im just stating that this surgery isnt some run of the mill knee scope. if you go to someone that isnt doing quite a few of these the results dont always come out positive---before rehab

 

[cb6228]

lol...get my *** of google? I have done most of those procedures personally taught by the best in the world (ever heard of Freddie Fu). any athlete who goes to a non-sports fellowship trained orthopod for an ACL repair is a moron.

 

[dpaul798]

lol...get my *** of google? I have done most of those procedures personally taught by the best in the world (ever heard of Freddie Fu). any athlete who goes to a non-sports fellowship trained orthopod for an ACL repair is a moron.

lol...thought you would like that....yeah ive heard of Fu out of Pittsburgh, is he related to the Fus out of Grenada? so obviously if YOU were personally taught by Fu then you only do double bundles using the endobutton...and maybe sometimes just reconstructing the AM or the PL bundle if only one bundle of the ACL is torn...do you use a transtibial approach or make an accessory medial portal for drilling the femur? now you have piqued my interest DR

 

[The Big Slick]

operate the clutch on his Benz....

 

[Coach34]

Dpaul teaches courses on this ****...but he didnt stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, so you may hold your own

 

[lawdawg02]

and there are tons of guys that only do a few acls a year.

we're talking about orthopedic surgeons who are team doctors for a SEC university. i'm sure joe schmoe in podunk, ms, only does a few acl's a year.

if you go to someone that isnt doing quite a few of these the results dont always come out positive

are you saying the columbus ortho guys don't do this stuff very often?

 

[dpaul798]

and there are tons of guys that only do a few acls a year.

we're talking about orthopedic surgeons who are team doctors for a SEC university. i'm sure joe schmoe in podunk, ms, only does a few acl's a year.

if you go to someone that isnt doing quite a few of these the results dont always come out positive

are you saying the columbus ortho guys don't do this stuff very often?

im talking in generalities about acl procedures. i dont know what happened with elliot and what he had done and i dont know anything about the columbus orthopedic market. i try not to get too vocal about things i dont know **** about. didnt someone say earlier in this thread he had his procedure(s) done in jackson?

 

[ninjadog]

FYI....Dr. Linton did not operate on Elliot. Dr. Walter Shelton in Jackson has done the procedures. As someone who has worked with both surgeons, that wouldn't be the decision I would make. MSU is fortunate to have the caliber of surgeons it does. Linton also does work for the NFL everyear at the combines, and Ole Miss has sent some of their foot and ankle injuries to his partner Chad Altmyer (Periah Jerry and Shay Hodge). But for anyone that cared, Elliot's surgery was not done in Columbus</p>

 

[Bully304]

My 2 cents about Rusty. He did my ACL (on both legs) and my MCL (left leg) and my knees that tend to dislocate. I am very lucky to have Columbus ortho in my back yard so to speak. Dr. Linton is an amazing doctor. I have shadowed him and my roommate and friend interned with him assisting in surgeries. Linton, in my opinion is amazing at what he does. Oh and Rhea worked on my right ankle and Chad worked with both my hands that I broke. Columbus Ortho is top notch and someone who says different is as dumb as Pat Patterson. Reading over my post makes me realize that I probably paid for their new building and surgery center.