Anybody been to the Ark Park yet?

[.S&C.]

For the record I'm not sold on the Big Bang.

well it's universally accepted by most as the cause of the universe. We can track the starting point through the spread of the universe and space-time. We know it's ever expanding, therefore it started somewhere. It's more technical than that, but its there to find.

So you throw away the majority of scientific opinion on the big bang? Sounds like you're kind of picking and choosing. Which is ok, most people do.

The reason some do not like the big bang, and some scientist are trying to back track, is because through the evidence of a big bang begs the question. Where did those molecules come from? The graph I explained to you suggest that the big bang seems like the beginning creation. Some people don't want to accept that.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

well it's universally accepted by most as the cause of the universe. We can track the starting point through the spread of the universe and space-time. We know it's ever expanding, therefore it started somewhere. It's more technical than that, but its there to find.

So you throw away the majority of scientific opinion on the big bang? Sounds like you're kind of picking and choosing. Which is ok, most people do.

The reason some do not like the big bang, and some scientist are trying to back track, is because through the evidence of a big bang begs the question. Where did those molecules come from? The graph I explained to you suggest that the big bang seems like the beginning creation. Some people don't want to accept that.

I just said I'm not sold on it. At one point the geocentric model of the solar system was also universally accepted. There are other theories out there. Some of them are picking up steam. I suggest you do some more research.

 

[.S&C.]

I just said I'm not sold on it. At one point the geocentric model of the solar system was also universally accepted. There are other theories out there. Some of them are picking up steam. I suggest you do some more research.

I know some of the other theories (there's thousands) but the big bang is universally accepted and has been verified to the degree it can. It's amazing how the theories of men who couldn't possibly have had the means to research have been found, in fact, accurate. I'm not a rocket scientist but I enjoy studying astronomy (albeit loosely) because honestly it helps me stay grounded in my faith. The big bang is accepted by most christian scholars too. I believe there's a reason why there are some atheist / scientist who now want to diminish the accuracy of the bb theory. It paints a picture of a creator.

For the record, I've read several Christopher Hitchens works and always enjoyed his debates. He's one of my favorite intellects of our generation, and I don't agree with him on 75% of his takes. I digest the other side constantly, not to mention being taught the other side through public schooling, higher education, and employment. Non belief is ingrained in our culture, and as much as atheist like to claim oppression at religion, it's the opposite today. I enjoy hearing a man like Hitchens, who's brilliant, unintentionally solidify my position in my faith. Most atheist (not all) that I 'm around rarely entertain the opposition in thought. And really some of the theories from the christian side, by intellects in the field, are amazing and should be at least interesting to even non believers.

 

[Big_Blue79]

I also know quite a few atheist who've reversed themselves. God actually does interact with people at different times, and I'm sure even an agnostic / atheist would agree, ya never know when an opinion can change.

I think this is good support for abolishing the death penalty.

FWIW, space-time is part of God's creation. He exists outside of space-time and does require a beginning or end for that matter.

Yeah, I've never understood boxing in God with quaint concepts of time and space. It's weird to accept an omniscient and omnipotent creator in such a limited way, but that reveals more about human limitations than anything else - we're great at simplifying and analogizing, which can lead to distortions. Which is also why I believe a lot of OT stories are parables and allegory - they were crafted with the limitations of humanity in mind.

 

[.S&C.]

I think this is good support for abolishing the death penalty.



Yeah, I've never understood boxing in God with quaint concepts of time and space. It's weird to accept an omniscient and omnipotent creator in such a limited way, but that reveals more about human limitations than anything else - we're great at simplifying and analogizing, which can lead to distortions. Which is also why I believe a lot of OT stories are parables and allegory - they were crafted with the limitations of humanity in mind.

Might blow some minds but I've never been a supporter of the death penalty. So.... There's that.

 

[Big_Blue79]

Might blow some minds but I've never been a supporter of the death penalty. So.... There's that.

Respect. I often see the argument for grace overlooked from the "eye for an eye" death penalty advocates (not you, just generally). I used to be in that camp myself, but I've come around (plus the whole thing about how the death penalty is actually sought and received, on the non-spiritual side of the ledger.)

 

[allabouttheUK]

Science vs. GOD....never understood the argument from either side. They both in a lot of ways help each. Yes, the bible is full of contradictions,until you realize it wasn't written by GOD or Jesus, it wasn't written by followers. It is a story and a very good one actually. Is it perfect, no, but what in this world is? It's a story of trying to be a better person than you were the day before no matter what is put in your way. That's my take anyway.

As for science, science is amazing, but science has proven it's self wrong many times. I believe a lot of those that cling to science and disregard anything else is mostly because science does change based on new findings, therefor they don't have to really commit to anything. Not saying that's a wrong way of looking at things, to each their own I guess.

I just don't see why people have to be so extreme on either side.

 

[allabouttheUK]

I would be all for doing away with the death penalty if prisons became a place to be feared and not adult daycare for those that don't belong in society.
You know prison isn't what it should be when people get out and commit crimes to go back in because it's "easier".
Do away with the death penalty and keep making prisons softer and there won't be a reason not to take someones life, or commit other violent crimes.

 

[.S&C.]

My problem with the death penalty is the inconsistency which it is applied. A person that kills 5 people is possible to receive life, and someone who kills one while being convicted through circumstantial evidence might recieved death. With the amount of proven innocents being murdered by state sanctioned execution since the beginning, I cannot find the rational to allow it. On top of my faith as I'm pretty certain Jesus wouldn't be supportive.

If it's done it should be reserved for the most egregious and barbaric crimes in the U.S. When men like the ice man can live comfortably in a cell, have cable, Xbox, and all the junk food he wants, ye another who killed 100 less people is executed while living in a cage for 8 years, there's a problem.

This in no way has anything to do with my position on the criminal justice reforms, which I don't agree with 99% of the time.

 

[allabouttheUK]

My problem with the death penalty is the inconsistency which it is applied. A person that kills 5 people is possible to receive life, and someone who kills one while being convicted through circumstantial evidence might received death. With the amount of proven innocents being murdered by state sanctioned execution since the beginning, I cannot find the rational to allow it. On top of my faith as I'm pretty certain Jesus wouldn't be supportive.

If it's done it should be reserved for the most egregious and barbaric crimes in the U.S. When men like the ice man can live comfortably in a cell, have cable, Xbox, and all the junk food he wants, ye another who killed 100 less people is executed while living in a cage for 8 years, there's a problem.

This in no way has anything to do with my position on the criminal justice reforms, which I don't agree with 99% of the time.

I agree with what you're saying. I think the biggest reason for those disparities is due to human intervention. One judge may be a little more lenient in sentencing than another, thus making the comparison seem ludicrous. There should be set sentencing for violent crimes...hell, for all crimes. I get so sick of hearing about 10-20 or 25 to life. That is too much of a gap, and there is no real punishment with the way prisons are now.
If you want to make the country safer and sane, then you need to make punishments fit the crime, take away the criminals power and rights while behind bars, and open up mental institutions again. Get people off the streets that don't belong on the streets. The needs of the few should not outweigh the needs of needs of the many.

 

[UKGrad93]

@Willy4UK or anyone else really, any of you ever been to the Holy Land Experience in Orlando, FL.? Looks like it would be the perfect companion park to the Noah's Ark.

 

[UKserialkiller]

@Willy4UK or anyone else really, any of you ever been to the Holy Land Experience in Orlando, FL.? Looks like it would be the perfect companion park to the Noah's Ark.

Nope. They don't sell beer. If they start selling beer, well ****, I'm in like Flynn

 

[Tskware]

Glad I exited stage left about page 2 of this thread

 

[UKGrad93]

Nope. They don't sell beer. If they start selling beer, well ****, I'm in like Flynn

I think they have wine at the Jesus water into wine bar.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I think they have wine at the Jesus water into wine bar.

Ha ha, nice

 

[UKserialkiller]

Glad I exited stage left about page 2 of this thread

Did you miss the pages where there were your fellow kind guilt shaming you?

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

I think they have wine at the Jesus water into wine bar.

Lol nice. Can we get dinner party of 50 fed with two little fishes and five loaves of bread?

 

[.S&C.]

I prayed for all the people in this thread who aren't God fearing men.

Oh willy, the nerve of me.

We've got to rid ourselves of this Christian evil. The world is a terrible place with all of these prayers, and damnit, it's destroyed the country!

 

[UKGrad93]

Lol nice. Can we get dinner party of 50 fed with two little fishes and five loaves of bread?

They mention something about that on their website.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I prayed for all the people in this thread who aren't God fearing men.

Oh willy, the nerve of me.

We've got to rid ourselves of this Christian evil. The world is a terrible place with all of these prayers, and damnit, it's destroyed the country!

Ha ha ha


You ever heard George Carlins thoughts on prayer?

 

[.S&C.]

Ha ha ha


You ever heard George Carlins thoughts on prayer?

Man I love George Carlin. I've heard his religious rants. Hilarious.

But he will be in hell too. Along with one of my favorite authors, Christopher Bitchens.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Man I love George Carlin. I've heard his religious rants. Hilarious.

But he will be in hell too. Along with one of my favorite authors, Christopher Bitchens.

Nah, hell doesn't exist.

 

[P.PattersonISwalkingthruthatdoor]

Lol nice. Can we get dinner party of 50 fed with two little fishes and five loaves of bread?

I hear the first aid station cures blindness and death

 

[UKserialkiller]

I hear the first aid station cures blindness and death

That's gold

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

I hear the first aid station cures blindness and death

Now that's funny, right there.

 

[Big_Blue79]

^ Ric Flair, man of God?

 

[KentuckyStout]

Nah, hell doesn't exist.

Sure it does. Hell simply means the common grave. The bible describes it exactly the same way atheists describe it. "the dead know nothing at all". Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Embrace the void, Willy.

 

[UKserialkiller]

Sure it does. Hell simply means the common grave. The bible describes it exactly the same way atheists describe it. "the dead know nothing at all". Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Embrace the void, Willy.

I like that. Thanks Cujo.

 

[KentuckyStout]

I like that. Thanks Cujo.

You are welcome, my unbelieving internet-friend :smiley:.

 

[UKserialkiller]

[cheers]

 

[Big_Blue79]

Sure it does. Hell simply means the common grave. The bible describes it exactly the same way atheists describe it. "the dead know nothing at all". Ecclesiastes 9:5.

Embrace the void, Willy.

I've always understood hell like that - the complete and utter absence of God. If God is the source of all good, then that's bad. But the fire and brimstone version? Never really understood why people were fixated on that. I guess it makes for good signs on the strip in Vegas?

 

[Free_Salato_Blue]

The Exodus Water ride blows.

The water turns all red, freaking frogs everywhere.
You get off at one point and these biting gnats just plague you.
Walk a path down to a petting zoo and it's swarmed with flies and the animals look so sickly, I wanted to call the Humane society.
It started a storming with hail and I said heck with this and went home.
Going to doctor today to check out some lesions on my forearm.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I've always understood hell like that - the complete and utter absence of God. If God is the source of all good, then that's bad. But the fire and brimstone version? Never really understood why people were fixated on that. I guess it makes for good signs on the strip in Vegas?

79, don't fall prey to black or white thinking.

 

[jockstrap_mcgee]

The Exodus Water ride blows.

The water turns all red, freaking frogs everywhere.
You get off at one point and these biting gnats just plague you.
Walk a path down to a petting zoo and it's swarmed with flies and the animals look so sickly, I wanted to call the Humane society.
It started a storming with hail and I said heck with this and went home.
Going to doctor today to check out some lesions on my forearm.

did you cover your doorway with lambs blood before you left?

 

[Big_Blue79]

79, don't fall prey to black or white thinking.

I just want to know who I can call a gorilla.

 

[UKserialkiller]

I just want to know who I can call a gorilla.

Mr. Monsoon.

 

[DaBossIsBack]

I just want to know who I can call a gorilla.

What'd you call me?

 

[Violent Cuts]

The Ark Encounter in Williamstown is logging more visitors than originally expected, WLWT reports...300,000 in its first nine weeks. About 95 percent of those visitors are coming from outside the region immediately surrounding the attraction.

The ark’s success is boosting the Creation Museum, which is also run by Answers in Genesis. It has seen a 75 percent boost in attendance since the ark’s opening.

The ark is expected to welcome more than 1.4 million visitors in its first year, which would equal the attendance at the Creation Museum in 2015.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinna...iuP90pgNDfC7Q0e87fcaa&t=1474026355&j=75805212

 

[DaBossIsBack]

The Ark Encounter in Williamstown is logging more visitors than originally expected, WLWT reports...300,000 in its first nine weeks. About 95 percent of those visitors are coming from outside the region immediately surrounding the attraction.

The ark’s success is boosting the Creation Museum, which is also run by Answers in Genesis. It has seen a 75 percent boost in attendance since the ark’s opening.

The ark is expected to welcome more than 1.4 million visitors in its first year, which would equal the attendance at the Creation Museum in 2015.

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnati/news/2016/09/16/ark-encounter-beats-attendance-projections.html?ana=e_me_set1&s=newsletter&ed=2016-09-16&u=1ZqQ+fkpriuP90pgNDfC7Q0e87fcaa&t=1474026355&j=75805212

I figured there were more dumbs than this. A little surprised.

 

[mailman85_rivals376684]

1. Willy you are to be commended, well done sir.

2. Atheist = without religion

3. I always love the I believe, just in case.

Just a little perspective