Anyone else disappointed that Carr hasn't seen any PT?

[AzzurriDawg4]

I know he played some snaps v. Memphis, but yall know what I mean.

Here is my concern. Freshmens make an impact at WR quite often. Carr was arguably our best recruit from last year's class. Our WR group isn't exactly spectacular, particularly at Carr's position.

The good news: Thank God for Arceto Clark. The secret weapon has really stepped up. I still believe in Bumphis and Heavens (but what a disappearing act he has performed over the last couple games). Chris Smith has made some great catches so far. That is a pretty good group of 4 sophomore receivers. Jameon Lewis obviously showed some flashes in fall camp, but he fits the same mold as Clark/Bumphis/Heavens.

However: It is time for Berry to grab a seat (on special teams and offense). His last kickoff return vs. UGA was one of the saddest attempts at a return I have seen in a while. He is a non-factor at WR (and don't tell me he blocks well - we need playmakers). Time for Chris Smith to take that job...and hopefully Carr to back him up. We just don't have a guy like Auburn (Adams), Arkansas (Childs), Bama (Jones), UGA (Green or even the big white boy), etc. We better hold on to Joe Morrow, because he seems to fit the bill, however, it is hard for me to get excited about him after expecting big things from Carr.

It appears that Ricco Sanders isn't going to give us too much.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

I know he played some snaps v. Memphis, but yall know what I mean.

Here is my concern. Freshmens make an impact at WR quite often. Carr was arguably our best recruit from last year's class. Our WR group isn't exactly spectacular, particularly at Carr's position.

The good news: Thank God for Arceto Clark. The secret weapon has really stepped up. I still believe in Bumphis and Heavens (but what a disappearing act he has performed over the last couple games). Chris Smith has made some great catches so far. That is a pretty good group of 4 sophomore receivers. Jameon Lewis obviously showed some flashes in fall camp, but he fits the same mold as Clark/Bumphis/Heavens.

However: It is time for Berry to grab a seat (on special teams and offense). His last kickoff return vs. UGA was one of the saddest attempts at a return I have seen in a while. He is a non-factor at WR (and don't tell me he blocks well - we need playmakers). Time for Chris Smith to take that job...and hopefully Carr to back him up. We just don't have a guy like Auburn (Adams), Arkansas (Childs), Bama (Jones), UGA (Green or even the big white boy), etc. We better hold on to Joe Morrow, because he seems to fit the bill, however, it is hard for me to get excited about him after expecting big things from Carr.

It appears that Ricco Sanders isn't going to give us too much.

 

[tenureplan]

But so does Smith. I like both of those guys being in there when we are running.

I do want to see Carr play; He was my breakout freshmens pick.

 

[Coach34]

I didnt expect him to be a factor with all the guys we have...you can say "I don't care if he blocks well" all you want, but that is probably most important in our offense right now. It's just hard for a true freshman WR in this offense when you consider how much time we spend on the run game in practice. Bump adjusted well out of necessity, but Heavens was lost last year.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

which sortof lends credence to the idea that Carr really might not be a super high ceiling guy. I had high hopes that he could be a gamebreaker at WR. A gamebreaker would have forced some PT by now, even as a freshman - especially as mediocre as Berry has been. Don't you think?

Edited to add: Also - "with all the guys we have"? Who do we have at his position? That is one of the most concerning things about it.

 

[AROB44]

nfm

 

[Coach34]

of maturity and intelligence, and he may be behind there. That's why some take longer than others to make an impact. Didnt he come in late? If so, that is definitely hard to overcome. Depending where he is on the depth chart, he may not be getting very many reps to show what he has. Also, not knowing the offense can hinder you and make you look very tentative.

There are all kinds of reasons not to be concerned. He would have had to overcome alot to take playing time from Berry, Clark, and Smith.

 

[MonkeyCheese]

... is that he's played a little, but not much. And won't play much. And lost a year of eligibility by playing a little.<div>
</div><div>We see this happen way too often with Mississippi State football players.</div><div>
</div><div>But coming out of high school, who was thought to be the better receiver: Michael Carr or Vincent Sanders? Maybe it's a moot point because they were both thought to be pretty dang awesome. But neither has really made much of an impact for their team that could use some playmakers at the WR spot.</div>

 

[ibontherun]

Carr was both out of shape, behind in learning the playbook, and wasn't even a "true" WR at West Point. Those are 3 strikes working against him. He had to get into shape, learn the playbook, learn to be a real WR all at the same time. Mullen tried to warn everyone during fall camp not to expect anything from him until later in the season because of all the things I just mentioned. However, I can't say I understand putting him in against Memphis, to burn a year if you weren't gong to play him all season. Especially since you are holding out others Lewis, Griffin etc...

I think even if he has little impact on this year, it's not a total loss....give the kid a chance to develop....he wasn't a WR in high school.

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

At least I saw plenty of clips with him lined up at WR catching passes.

Edited to add: He did play WR in H.S. Just go watch his highlights on Scout.

 

[wk80]

I think what he meant is that he was more of a throw the ball up and make something happen.He probably knew about 2 routes. As far as him being out of shape, I heard from numerous people that he did not work out much, if any, after football season last year.

 

[ibontherun]

I only meant he was more a "playmaker"...I saw some clips of him catching passes. But there were times he played everything from QB, to WR, to a wildcat RB, safety...etc etc....he had the most raw talent in the state but he wasn't the most polished WR in the state last year. I think we will see him some over the next couple of games though, and maybe we can see if he has progressed any.

Edit: I know everyone wants him to be a big play WR (myself included)...and he has the talent to be...but maybe he turns into a CB or S....you just never know

 

[Columbus Dawg]

Freshmens make an impact at WR quite often.

For some reason, this hasn't been the case lately.

Da'Rick Rodgers at UT was a 5 star and hasn't done much.Marlon Brown at UGA was a5 star, can't miss prospect, and is actually a sophomore now. Andre Debose was a 5 star at UF, he has had some injury issues, but is healthy now and not making an impact.

I don't mind not redshirting Carr since he has had some academic issues. Hopefully he can get some PT against Alcorn.

 

[57stratdawg]

him or Arceto Clark.

I watched coaches have to stop practice to show Carr where to lineup a couple weeks before the season started. I'm sure he's made huge strides, but he wasn't ready and he should have redshirted.

I keep hearing his ceiling is as high as anyone we signed last year, but I think it's something you have to take with a grain of salt. OM said that about Pat Patterson too.

 

[ibontherun]

him or Arceto Clark.

I watched coaches have to stop practice to show Carr where to lineup a couple weeks before the season started. I'm sure he's made huge strides, but he wasn't ready and he should have redshirted.

I keep hearing his ceiling is as high as anyone we signed last year, but I think it's something you have to take with a grain of salt. <span style="font-weight: bold;">OM said that about Pat Patterson too.</span>

yea but I think the difference with Patterson was his ATTITUDE. And character issues can always derail a promising career...see Maurice Clarett...

 

[AzzurriDawg4]

nm

 

[smootness]

Did you really think he was a 'super high ceiling guy'? Carr has talent, but he was never going to be a guy who stepped in and immediately played very well. He is going to take some time to develop, just like most everyone else. WR is actually one of the tougher positions as a freshman if you look around the country. I think it's because very few people actually play WR (as in blocking, running true routes, going up against good defensive players, the things you actually have to do in college) in high school. A running back just runs and tries to make people miss. Even a QB is still doing much of the same thing, at least the guys who end up playing QB in college. WRs generally might as well be playing a new position.<div>
</div><div>But Carr wasn't an elite talent. Morrow and Singleton, if we get both, are better prospects than him. That's not to say I don't think Carr can do big things here, he can. But he was by no means a 'can't miss'.</div>

 

[57stratdawg]

By Arceto Clark I meant Jameon Lewis..

There was talk of both Carr and Lewis being big play makers for us and as far as I know neither has really seen the field. Pretty sure Lewis is redshirting.

 

[shoeless joe]

carr is the best wideout we have. he catches the ball that berry dropped. he is faster than bumphis. the dude is a studd, but in the head he is a dudd. he played some quarterback and db in high school but his senior year he played exclusively at wide out except on gimmick plays. but even in high school he couldn't learn the play book. plays were called then at the end of the play call he was told exactly what to run... fade, post, fly, etc.and this being the case with a high school playbook that only has probably 4 passing plays in it there is no way hehas any idea what to dowith mullens plays right now. hopefully they'll figure out a way to get him on the field because he will flat get it done when given the chance. if the ball hits him in the hands he will not drop it. he is an all SEC talent physically and i expect him to do something at some point this year but the reason he is not out there now is simply because he can't learn the plays.

 

[rugbdawg]

nm

 

[57stratdawg]

"He catches the ball that Berry dropped" - Well, I'd damn sure hope so. Otherwise, we're wasting a scholarship on him
"He's faster than Bumpis" - Bumpis really isn't that fast. He's very quick and shifty, but I wouldn't call him fast.

Carr was a message board savior, just like Tyler Russell and Lil Favre. None of them made any contribution in their freshman year after alot of hype. It takes time to adjust and i'm sure they'll all contribute (except maybe Favre) in a few years. But they just aren't ready right now. </p>

 

[RougeDawg]

dorm as Carr (sarcasm).

 

[rugbdawg]

defender miss. That was on the run and catch against Georgia. He looked all world against Memphis but everyone did.

 

[ibontherun]

now that you mention it....something seems off about him this year. Look back at the tape from last year and he looked a lot more explosive in the open field(Bumphis). He catches these swing passes, and then just runs out of bounds. I wonder if the coaches are telling him not to get himself hurt or save yourself for the rest of the season etc...