Anyone remember Donnie's "secret plan" to defeat ISIS?

WVMade

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Donald Trump has long assured us that he has a very real — and very good — plan to defeat the Islamic State. But he couldn't share the details of it.


He has been talking about this secret plan, in fact, for more than a year. He has said it was "foolproof" and "absolute" in its effectiveness. But he had his reasons not to talk about it.


"I don’t want the enemy to know what I’m doing," Trump told Fox News in May 2015, the month before launching his presidential campaign. "Unfortunately, I’ll probably have to tell at some point, but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”


He added: “All I can tell you it is a foolproof way of winning, and I’m not talking about what some people would say, but it is a foolproof way of winning the war with ISIS." ISIS is an alternative acronym for the Islamic State.


Then, in a June 2015 meeting with the Des Moines Register editorial board, he offered a different reason for keeping the plan under wraps — that his opponents would steal it. "The problem with politics is if I tell you right now, everyone else is going to say, 'Wow, what a great idea.' You're going to have 10 candidates go and use it, and they're going to forget where it came from, which is me. But no, I have an absolute way of defeating ISIS."

He similarly cited the need for keeping his plan secret in an April foreign policy speech: "I have a simple message for [ISIS]: Their days are numbered. I won’t tell them where and I won’t tell them how. ... We must as a nation be more unpredictable. We are totally predictable. We tell everything. We’re sending troops; we tell them. We’re sending something else; we have a news conference. We have to be unpredictable. And we have to be unpredictable starting now. But they’re going to be gone. ISIS will be gone if I’m elected president. And they’ll be gone quickly."

Well, now we know what Trump's "foolproof" and "absolute" plan for defeating ISIS is — to ask the generals to come up with a plan, quickly. That's what he said he would do during a speech Tuesday. "They'll have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS," he told supporters in Greenville, N.C.

These are the generals, mind you, who Trump has said don't understand ISIS like he does. "I know more about ISIS than the generals do," he said in a rambling Iowa speech in November. "Believe me."

The charitable conclusion that could be drawn here is that Trump has decided to abandon his secret plan — or at least set it aside — in favor of letting the generals come up with their own plan. Perhaps he decided the generals actually do know more about the Islamic State than he does. But that doesn't really make sense if Trump's plan was anywhere near as great as he said.



 

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OK I'll bite, just to assuage your obvious confidence that you have finally "nailed" Trump or proven him to be a liar.

Let's assume what you claim is true, that there really was no plan? Do you still think it would be best to "announce" one if/when one ever existed or is developed?

So just who do you suppose that would benefit?

He has at least called out who our enemy is...ISIS...Islamic Radical Terrorists. We do know those are 3 words we never heard even mentioned during the previous administration. Wherever they are, or whatever they are up to, do you think they're making their plans not even the least bit concerned about Trump or what he may or may not have planned to stop them?

Do you really need to know what his plan is? Would you tell them if you found out? If you don't think there is plan, or ever was one, do you think that situation remains static? Was Trump just bluffing, and you honestly think he plans to do nothing about Isis? Or he hasn't selected people who know how to deal with them?

Finally, Obama had 8 years to get rid of them. How'd that work out for us? Matter of fact come to think of it wvmade, "Isis" didn't even exist before Obama took office! Once they came into existence under his watch, he didn't even have the stones to call them what they are...Radical Islamic Terrorists. Nope, to him they're just a bunch of "JV" style "ideological extremists" right WVmade?

I doubt they'll be around once Trump leaves office.
 

WVMade

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OK I'll bite, just to assuage your obvious confidence that you have finally "nailed" Trump or proven him to be a liar.

Let's assume what you claim is true, that there really was no plan? Do you still think it would be best to "announce" one if/when one ever existed or is developed?

So just who do you suppose that would benefit?

He has at least called out who our enemy is...ISIS...Islamic Radical Terrorists. We do know those are 3 words we never heard even mentioned during the previous administration. Wherever they are, or whatever they are up to, do you think they're making their plans not even the least bit concerned about Trump or what he may or may not have planned to stop them?

Do you really need to know what his plan is? Would you tell them if you found out? If you don't think there is plan, or ever was one, do you think that situation remains static? Was Trump just bluffing, and you honestly think he plans to do nothing about Isis? Or he hasn't selected people who know how to deal with them?

Finally, Obama had 8 years to get rid of them. How'd that work out for us? Matter of fact come to think of it wvmade, "Isis" didn't even exist before Obama took office! Once they came into existence under his watch, he didn't even have the stones to call them what they are...Radical Islamic Terrorists. Nope, to him they're just a bunch of "JV" style "ideological extremists" right WVmade?

I doubt they'll be around once Trump leaves office.
First I have to ask two questions.
1. Why is the ISIS vs. ISIL acronym so important to you?
2. Explain to me how it take "cajones" to say, or write ISIS vs. ISIL.
 

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Does no one remember this? Why the crickets?
Aside from the slanted reporting, I'd think everyone on this forum remembers the quotes; hence, crickets. He also said later that if elected he would ask for HIS Generals to submit a plan (sorry, but you, me and ISIS won't be getting CC'd.) This is/was all public knowledge, but guess what happened. Yep, elected.
 

atlkvb

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First I have to ask two questions.
1. Why is the ISIS vs. ISIL acronym so important to you?
2. Explain to me how it take "cajones" to say, or write ISIS vs. ISIL.

If you understand the Islamic belief in their end time prophecy, ISIL refers to the state that will exist once Allah is set to reclaim and redeem the world to Islam. "Isis" is the term referred to the nation state warriors who will help usher in that new world.
http://www.ibtimes.com/isil-isis-islamic-state-daesh-whats-difference-2187131
It's important, because if you don't identify your enemy, it makes it significantly more difficult to plan strategy to defeat them. (something apparently in your OP you're concerned Trump lacks)

Additionally, rather than marking the terrorists by isolating them and calling them out for their dangerous activity, Obama refused to call them what they are and was essentially ignoring their activity, or at least not calling attention to them in order to defeat them, which I reiterate he magnificently failed to do.

In fact, he stood by and watched them grow exponentially in both influence and their ability to carry out worldwide Islamic Terrorism. Yet he never recognized who or what they were, or specifically called out their actions as radical Islamic Terrorists.

Now please, answer my questions about if you think Trump is serious about going after them and if so, should he pre "announce" his plans once a strategy is in place, or if one is not already set as he suggested which you obviously don't believe there ever was?
 

WVMade

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If you understand the Islamic belief in their end time prophecy, ISIL refers to the state that will exist once Allah is set to reclaim and redeem the world to Islam. "Isis" is the term referred to the nation state warriors who will help usher in that new world.
http://www.ibtimes.com/isil-isis-islamic-state-daesh-whats-difference-2187131
It's important, because if you don't identify your enemy, it makes it significantly more difficult to plan strategy to defeat them. (something apparently in your OP you're concerned Trump lacks)

Additionally, rather than marking the terrorists by isolating them and calling them out for their dangerous activity, Obama refused to call them what they are and was essentially ignoring their activity, or at least not calling attention to them in order to defeat them, which I reiterate he magnificently failed to do.

In fact, he stood by and watched them grow exponentially in both influence and their ability to carry out worldwide Islamic Terrorism. Yet he never recognized who or what they were, or specifically called out their actions as radical Islamic Terrorists.

Now please, answer my questions about if you think Trump is serious about going after them and if so, should he pre "announce" his plans once a strategy is in place, or if one is not already set as he suggested which you obviously don't believe there ever was?
I'll research your claim later, when I have time, but to be honest it all sounds "made up".
 

WVMade

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If you understand the Islamic belief in their end time prophecy, ISIL refers to the state that will exist once Allah is set to reclaim and redeem the world to Islam. "Isis" is the term referred to the nation state warriors who will help usher in that new world.
http://www.ibtimes.com/isil-isis-islamic-state-daesh-whats-difference-2187131
It's important, because if you don't identify your enemy, it makes it significantly more difficult to plan strategy to defeat them. (something apparently in your OP you're concerned Trump lacks)

Additionally, rather than marking the terrorists by isolating them and calling them out for their dangerous activity, Obama refused to call them what they are and was essentially ignoring their activity, or at least not calling attention to them in order to defeat them, which I reiterate he magnificently failed to do.

In fact, he stood by and watched them grow exponentially in both influence and their ability to carry out worldwide Islamic Terrorism. Yet he never recognized who or what they were, or specifically called out their actions as radical Islamic Terrorists.

Now please, answer my questions about if you think Trump is serious about going after them and if so, should he pre "announce" his plans once a strategy is in place, or if one is not already set as he suggested which you obviously don't believe there ever was?
I do know for a fact that the Pentagon still uses the acronym ISIL, choosing to ignore Donnie's ridiculous {"executive memo"). I'm finding it extremely hard to believe your version versus reality. From my understanding Donnie and Rush started all this claiming it was a sleight on Israel and in Donnie's words "just to bother people".
 

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I do know for a fact that the Pentagon still uses the acronym ISIL, choosing to ignore Donnie's ridiculous {"executive memo"). I'm finding it extremely hard to believe your version versus reality. From my understanding Donnie and Rush started all this claiming it was a sleight on Israel and in Donnie's words "just to bother people".


Well then WVmade, since it doesn't matter to you what they're called, let's call them Leftists.
 
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If you understand the Islamic belief in their end time prophecy, ISIL refers to the state that will exist once Allah is set to reclaim and redeem the world to Islam. "Isis" is the term referred to the nation state warriors who will help usher in that new world.
http://www.ibtimes.com/isil-isis-islamic-state-daesh-whats-difference-2187131
It's important, because if you don't identify your enemy, it makes it significantly more difficult to plan strategy to defeat them. (something apparently in your OP you're concerned Trump lacks)

Additionally, rather than marking the terrorists by isolating them and calling them out for their dangerous activity, Obama refused to call them what they are and was essentially ignoring their activity, or at least not calling attention to them in order to defeat them, which I reiterate he magnificently failed to do.

In fact, he stood by and watched them grow exponentially in both influence and their ability to carry out worldwide Islamic Terrorism. Yet he never recognized who or what they were, or specifically called out their actions as radical Islamic Terrorists.

Now please, answer my questions about if you think Trump is serious about going after them and if so, should he pre "announce" his plans once a strategy is in place, or if one is not already set as he suggested which you obviously don't believe there ever was?
I'll research your claim later, when I have time, but to be honest it all sounds "made up".

atlkvb, I read that a little differently. In your attached article ISIS refers to the Islamic State of Iraq & Syria (ISIS) while ISIL refers to the Islamic State of Iraq & Levant (ISIL); Levant as a term for a broader part of the eastern Mediterranean to include Jordan, Lebanon, etc. Certainly one could construe that this would form the Islamic State (IS), but I think for now it is semantics rather than reality.

Here's another take on the same issue: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-ISIS-and-ISIL-1

To the OP's original point, I'd like to know what the plans are to defeat ISIS/ISIL, but understand that national security issues prevent that at this time; my security clearance is not up to that level.[winking] But I do doubt that DT "knows more about ISIS than the generals."
 

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atlkvb, I read that a little differently. In your attached article ISIS refers to the Islamic State of Iraq & Syria (ISIS) while ISIL refers to the Islamic State of Iraq & Levant (ISIL); Levant as a term for a broader part of the eastern Mediterranean to include Jordan, Lebanon, etc. Certainly one could construe that this would form the Islamic State (IS), but I think for now it is semantics rather than reality.

Here's another take on the same issue: https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-ISIS-and-ISIL-1

To the OP's original point, I'd like to know what the plans are to defeat ISIS/ISIL, but understand that national security issues prevent that at this time; my security clearance is not up to that level.[winking] But I do doubt that DT "knows more about ISIS than the generals."

My analysis may be slightly skewed in terms of differentiating the nomenclature between the two, but in terms of their ultimate goal I am dead on. The Islamic Caliphate (ISIS, ISIL) is the final step which must occur under their Theological chronology before the world can be redeemed for Islam.

Your are also correct, Trump needs to listen to his Military strategists and understand their recommendations/suggestions for eradicating this Evil from the face of the planet.
 
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My analysis may be slightly skewed in terms of differentiating the nomenclature between the two, but in terms of their ultimate goal I am dead on. The Islamic Caliphate (ISIS, ISIL) is the final step which must occur under their Theological chronology before the world can be redeemed for Islam.

My secret plan would be to kill them all.
 

WVMade

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My secret plan would be to kill them all.
Actually your "secret plan" would align perfectly with Donnie's... beat your breast claiming bad assery from your office chair while letting real Americans defend your freedom and attack the the enemy. You're a Wal-Mart patriot like the rest of 'em.... you bought a flag and a t-shirt.
 

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I guess your education is very limited and that explains your lame attempts to insult those who did not serve as if they are unpatriotic. My guess is that you probably spent more time in the latrines changing your tampons.
 

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Let's assume what you claim is true, that there really was no plan? Do you still think it would be best to "announce" one if/when one ever existed or is developed?
If he already had a foolproof plan, why did he direct Mattis to come up with a plan within 30 days when he was at the Pentagon on Friday?
 

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If he already had a foolproof plan, why did he direct Mattis to come up with a plan within 30 days when he was at the Pentagon on Friday?

His plan was to get Mattis approved. Brilliant.
 

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If he already had a foolproof plan, why did he direct Mattis to come up with a plan within 30 days when he was at the Pentagon on Friday?

I don't know. Who says he did or did not have a plan? He may not have had one. He may have been bluffing. Maybe he wanted another plan to compare to his?

We simply do not know. The point is whenever he does implement a plan, he's not going to let everyone in on it, least of all the enemy.
 
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If he already had a foolproof plan, why did he direct Mattis to come up with a plan within 30 days when he was at the Pentagon on Friday?
That's my point in the original post. It seems to have eluded Donnie's snowflakes on here.
 

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That's my point in the original post. It seems to have eluded Donnie's snowflakes on here.

I think what matters here is what he will eventually do...not what he claims he has or when he had it.
 

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I think what matters here is what he will eventually do...not what he claims he has or when he had it.
What matters to me is how can we actually know the truth when we're constantly lied to and told to never believe anyone or anything but him and his twitter? Don't you get it? How in the hell do you expect to know anything given Donnie's proven history of constantly lying and spreading false information. He does it daily, even now.
 
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What matters to me is how can we actually know the truth when we're constantly lied to and told to never believe anyone or anything but him and his twitter? Don't you get it? How in the hell do you expect to know anything given Donnie's proven history of constantly lying and spreading false information. He does it daily, even now.
I too want to know what I am supporting. It is not always clear for the specifics, the general principles are the easy part. We can all agree Radical Islamic Terrorists are a problem, how to defeat them is something else and I'd like to eventually hear a plan. I think <2 weeks might be a bit early.