Anyone seen Lemonis on Pencil Talk Pod?
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Too soon for me to be interested in listening to anything lemonis has to say. Hopefully in a few years we will have experienced enough success to put that post natty debacle behind us and the State family can reconcile with him and the good part of his legacy. Kind of like we did with Polk. I really do wish him well and hope he will get back involved in coaching at some level. He needs it.
Nothing against the guy, but I never could quit staring at his lack of eyeballs. I really don't think he can open them any wider than this. Not trying to be mean, but he could play a blind guy in a bar without trying.
Same, nothing I need to hear from him. I don't wish him ill will but he almost single handedly turned a 2021 Natty from Shinola to sh-it in less than 1 year. That I can't forget
He was making $1.325 Mil when fired. He sold a nice house at Browning Creek after being fired which should have made him a decent return after owning it for 6 years in the Starkville market. He had a $1.2 Million buyout from his contract but none of that will last him a lifetime since he is still a relatively young guy . He'll have to find a new location to park his bucket at some point.
????????? This is about a 18 year progression and he had eyes at all 3 stops................
i don’t know how he lived but he could easily have 3.5 million in the bank after 6 years and the the buyout
I could make that work if I had to
Absolutely. A step back was not unreasonable but a total collapse was like having a horrible nightmare where you could not wake up. Twilight zone territory. Then he doubled down the next season. It is going to take a looonnng time and a couple of trips to omaha to get over that.
it's odd, though, because people that run into the Peter Principle usually don't ever reach success in the position they were promoted to. They usually do well in a position, get promoted. Do well in that next position. Get promoted. And straight out flop in the third position, and get fired
Decent interview but dude looks bad. Think he might be sick, watching longer.
No offense to coach, but he just looks unintelligent. We should have known
I think the strong group of senior leaders we had on that team had a lot to do with that. I also think that Lemonis lost his drive after winning that championship and just coasted kind of like Polk did in the early 1990s.
Don’t wish Lemonis any ill, but I don’t miss him. Last night, Freshman Tanner Beliveau was trying to close the game against Austin Peay, he couldn’t get anyone out after a fielder error, which could have been the final out. He had loaded the bases with walks after that error. Coach Oak pulled Tanner, but he took to time to get in his face on the mound about what it takes to get that out, and it went from a Tanner lecture to the whole infield. He was teaching young men about playing winning baseball. Oak won 16-3, when Lemonis witnessed a young team lose two to ‘powerhouse’ Austin Peay, and Lem looked hopeless in the losing. Good luck to him in the future. I am overjoyed with Oak.
I don't think his issue is intelligence. Based on the results in his first 3 years I would say he actually knows a lot about the game of baseball. I believe his greatest faults are in the area of team management specifically, that he is too soft and undisciplined to build and maintain a roster in the hypercompetitive SEC. That is the look we should have picked up on. As we found out, those faults did not manifest themselves in the beginning, as he was given a team that was already squared away, but it all disappeared like a snowflake on a hot stove as soon as that core group of players were gone.
I actually think he will make a good assistant somewhere or even a decent HC in a league that is much less competitive and with much lower expectations. Perhaps at his alma mater The Citadel.
Decent interview but dude looks bad. Think he might be sick, watching longer.
I saw him in person a month ago, and he looked refreshed. Looked like he had dropped some weight both literally and figuratively.
He just was not cut out for this job. A lot of people aren’t. He probably recognizes this now too.
I know I'm the only guy that thinks he did a good job here... Polk gets immortalized as he should for what he did for college baseball. The results he had were in an era where MSU was the only school that cared about baseball until he told his Miami softball teammate Skip Bertman to take the LSU job... but with that less competitive environment and two once in a lifetime players ..he still only could manage a third place finish in Omaha with very few wins outside of 1985. How many of us clung to that memory from 1985 for years until Lemonis came around.
And for those of you who say the 21 championship was won with Cohens players ... I ask you to please show me a pitcher who wasn't a Lemonis recruit that pitched a meaningful inning that year... you can't ...there we 14 innings pitched and few were in conference and none in post season.
As far as the 22 season goes he had 6 returning position players and brought in RJ Yeager, Slate Alford and Hunter Hines ..so You really can't say any of you would have done anything different...the returning players to a man regressed ... so perhaps that's on him as a coach but many of those guys .Tanner, James, Clark Hancock and Cumbest had professional aspirations and they failed themselves.
the loss of Sims, Auger and Simmons was devastating.... and Maybe it was Foxhall that didn't develop the young pitchers because many of them were drafted and some of them have had more success in the minors than they ever did here ..( Walling, KC Hunt and Cerantola )
so say what you will about him ...he had the most stable roster of ANY sport at MSU in the portal era. the players that went into the portal were underperforming and he didn't lose a major contributor. he always brought in at least one high draft pick a year ...RJ Yeager, Colton Ledbetter, Kahl Stephens .
Do I think he lost his fire ....yes ...did he get Lazy and not develop players yes ... but to totally dismiss him and not recognize what he did do is insane ... I can assure you that by seasons end there will be a thread on here about Firing Oak ...perhaps as early as Tuesday night
And for those of you who say the 21 championship was won with Cohens players ... I ask you to please show me a pitcher who wasn't a Lemonis recruit that pitched a meaningful inning that year... you can't ...there we 14 innings pitched and few were in conference and none in post season.
As far as the 22 season goes he had 6 returning position players and brought in RJ Yeager, Slate Alford and Hunter Hines ..so You really can't say any of you would have done anything different...the returning players to a man regressed ... so perhaps that's on him as a coach but many of those guys .Tanner, James, Clark Hancock and Cumbest had professional aspirations and they failed themselves.
the loss of Sims, Auger and Simmons was devastating.... and Maybe it was Foxhall that didn't develop the young pitchers because many of them were drafted and some of them have had more success in the minors than they ever did here ..( Walling, KC Hunt and Cerantola )
so say what you will about him ...he had the most stable roster of ANY sport at MSU in the portal era. the players that went into the portal were underperforming and he didn't lose a major contributor. he always brought in at least one high draft pick a year ...RJ Yeager, Colton Ledbetter, Kahl Stephens .
Do I think he lost his fire ....yes ...did he get Lazy and not develop players yes ... but to totally dismiss him and not recognize what he did do is insane ... I can assure you that by seasons end there will be a thread on here about Firing Oak ...perhaps as early as Tuesday night
Very few people would disagree with you if we had just taken a semi-reasonable step back after 2021. It was not even remotely close to that.