Apathy has officially settled in.
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You don't know what type of support I give.
I think y'all are cute though. Your support on this message board will surely save the day.
I think y'all are cute though. Your support on this message board will surely save the day.
I can tell your level of support by the fact that you are done with a 4-4 team. Sound like a 17n ***** to me. We just lost a game that we were suppose to lose.
I would venture to say I do a hell of a lot better than you. I don't accept poor results like you. Maybe you need to rethink your position.
it was a simple vent. Get out of here with your scolding ****.
it was a simple vent. Get out of here with your scolding ****.
I'm not happy that we lost but I'm also realistic about it. I guess I'm just confused that a loss to the #14 team sends you in to apathy. If Bowling Green or Kentucky didn't make apathy set in, how did this?
I'll be sincere here. I am frustrated with our team. I am frustrated every game we lose ever. But I NEVER NEVER am "through with a team" or "Apathetic about or team" or "Hate our team." I just say "Damn. Hopefully next week." I don't call up the athletic department and complain. I don't threaten to decrease my BC donation. If things aren't going the way they should, I should only INCREASE it. I don't have any other team. Mississippi state is my only fandom. Sure, I like the cubs a little bit and root for Dixon and the Niners, but it is nowhere near the same. If we lose the next 30 games, I will still wish and want us to win the next one and the next one and the next one.
Was just frustrated and jumped the gun. Sometimes in the heat of the moment we say things that don't necessarily represent reality.
See y'all next week. I'm sure it will be awesome.
See y'all next week. I'm sure it will be awesome.
See, I agree with you to an extent, but why should anyone INCREASE their BC donation when were entertaining extending Mullen's contract with that money? The fact that extensions are even being discussed should warrant any MSU follower to not financially support them this year. Whether you like it or not every team, college or pro, is motivated by money. That's the world we live in. It's also the same reason Tebow is relevant in the year 2013. Jersey sales, brotha. Jersey sales are the pro equivalent to private donations.
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Because I want us to be better. Decreasing our budget isn't going to do that ever. If I were ever so inclined to demand a change, I would offer to increase it if said change were to happen.
ETA: My real point, I guess, is that I am totally ok with people wanting Mullen fired. Its not my opinion currently, but I welcome people being critical. Done correctly, it will help us get better. I only get frustrated with people saying they "don't care anymore" or "aren't going to anymore games" or actually rooting for us to lose games. Hate Dan Mullen all you want, but don't let that lead you to hate MSU.
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That's just not how things work. So you're entirely ok with donating say $1000 more a year knowing all that's doing is giving Mullen a $2.7m salary for an extra year? That prick is going on exotic vacations and living in a mansion on the lake and we're paying him to do so while he's fielding a crap product (execution and coaching... Namely assistants). You lower your donations by $1000 and tell them that you're sick of being embarrassed of wearing your $80 Adidas coaching polo at the golf course on Sundays because of the lack of ***** the guy we're paying a top 25 salary is giving. See which gets results. Whether you like it or not, that's how things work. Ask your local politician.
Now I could understand giving more if the reason we sucked was lack of equipment or scholarship money. We have enough **** to be good.
Obviously I don't mean that a $1000 donation is going to make them do ****, but if the fan base collectively acted like that we would have a new coach yesterday. At the very least we'd have a new OC this season and/or Hevesey would have been been gone a long time ago.
ETA: I'm with you on your feelings towards criticism. There's a right way and a wrong way. I don't think anyone is rooting for us to lose though. Every person on here wants us to win every game. I want Mullen to become the next Saban, but it's not happening and I'm not going to pretend it's going to anymore. If it does I'll be the first person to remind everyone every day I was wrong.
Now I could understand giving more if the reason we sucked was lack of equipment or scholarship money. We have enough **** to be good.
Obviously I don't mean that a $1000 donation is going to make them do ****, but if the fan base collectively acted like that we would have a new coach yesterday. At the very least we'd have a new OC this season and/or Hevesey would have been been gone a long time ago.
ETA: I'm with you on your feelings towards criticism. There's a right way and a wrong way. I don't think anyone is rooting for us to lose though. Every person on here wants us to win every game. I want Mullen to become the next Saban, but it's not happening and I'm not going to pretend it's going to anymore. If it does I'll be the first person to remind everyone every day I was wrong.
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Throwing a tantrum. Got called a *****, a child, a quitter. Lol I feel better.
one thing I haven't done is attack like all you sports. I feel fine with my perspective.
one thing I haven't done is attack like all you sports. I feel fine with my perspective.
So you're going to lower, or eliminate, your donation in 2014? And call them and tell them that?
Let us know what they say. And while you're at it, speak directly to Striklin.
Let us know what they say. And while you're at it, speak directly to Striklin.
To clarify, I will not be increasing a donation because we are mediocre. That would be rewarding poor performance. However, I will never decrease it because we suck. That is just petty and reactive. If I wanted Dan Mullen fired, I would offer to increase it when this happened. That is much less damaging to the university. I don't know how many people know it, but this is a big part of what got LT outed. It gets things done. Voice your displeasure while also voicing your dedication to MSU.
I guess that works too. I don't know how that's any different than paying the same or less though. That's basically like saying "I would pay $X but you're not doing anything so I'll pay $W."
What I'm saying is I don't think throwing money at the problem helps. Donating more with the clause of "do ****" is better, but simply donating more because you hope MSU becomes competitive is a lost cause.
And when they call for money and you say no they write down why you say no. I'm not speaking from experience and I'm not saying the BC makes calls, but every one of my friends worked for the call center and always had a story about some disgruntled alumni. Didn't mean I would call Stricklin personally and I even pointed out I didn't mean $1000 was going to make anyone do anything. If the fan base as a whole slacked on their donations I'm sure they would take notice and know exactly why. I guess I have no room to talk as I'm a recent broke *** graduate who pays the minimum.
What I'm saying is I don't think throwing money at the problem helps. Donating more with the clause of "do ****" is better, but simply donating more because you hope MSU becomes competitive is a lost cause.
And when they call for money and you say no they write down why you say no. I'm not speaking from experience and I'm not saying the BC makes calls, but every one of my friends worked for the call center and always had a story about some disgruntled alumni. Didn't mean I would call Stricklin personally and I even pointed out I didn't mean $1000 was going to make anyone do anything. If the fan base as a whole slacked on their donations I'm sure they would take notice and know exactly why. I guess I have no room to talk as I'm a recent broke *** graduate who pays the minimum.
We're on the same page. I love MSU and going 0-12 couldn't change that, and I think our hearts are in the same place. Just sucks being down and out, especially after the high we all had in 2010.
It also sucks when no one is on the same page on what's best for MSU.
It also sucks when no one is on the same page on what's best for MSU.
BC donations are given
To support the athletic department.
If you are giving with some sort of expectation of return it is not support.
The university doesn't owe you anything.
To support the athletic department.
If you are giving with some sort of expectation of return it is not support.
The university doesn't owe you anything.
Great post... I couldn't agree more with this... You give money to build the expansion and new football facility. Our football program will slip back in the croom years if people stop giving cause of Mullen.
That is a great point? Wow.
Not even going there. Give me money but I don't owe you ****.
Not even going there. Give me money but I don't owe you ****.
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The university? No. Athletic department? Yes. They owe every alumni a quality product for their donations, not an extention to a coach for going 5-9 with wins over a Smith led Arkansas, Alcorn, BGSU, UK, and Troy. Just to be clear here, tax dollars and tuition keep the university's doors open, donations and ticket sales keep the stadiums open. The university hasn't owed me anything since that few weeks where I hadn't received my degree in the mail yet.
I'm not in any way saying you shouldn't donate when we suck and only donate when we are great. I'm saying do not donate when there are rumors that a coach, whether you believe he should stay or not, is about to get an extention on his $2.7m/yr salary for literally doing the bare minimum. What is the appropriate action here? Keep donating the same amount? Not at all? More?
I love MSU and I never have any unrealistic expectations. I just want us to be smart. I'm 150% fine with keeping Mullen, but some stuff needs to be done. Do you trust anyone to do anything about it? We've had the same problem since Mullen showed up. Who was his first DC? Remember that guy? He'd still be here if he hadn't gotten hired away.
I'm not in any way saying you shouldn't donate when we suck and only donate when we are great. I'm saying do not donate when there are rumors that a coach, whether you believe he should stay or not, is about to get an extention on his $2.7m/yr salary for literally doing the bare minimum. What is the appropriate action here? Keep donating the same amount? Not at all? More?
I love MSU and I never have any unrealistic expectations. I just want us to be smart. I'm 150% fine with keeping Mullen, but some stuff needs to be done. Do you trust anyone to do anything about it? We've had the same problem since Mullen showed up. Who was his first DC? Remember that guy? He'd still be here if he hadn't gotten hired away.
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'A quality product for their donations'
pretty much nails it. Anyone who says you give and they owe you nothing doesn't understand sales or fund raising. There are ALWAYS expectations attached.
My family's personal charity is St. Jude. We give twice a year. Our belief is that it gives those kids a better chance when facing long odds anyway. More money equals better Physicians, facilities, etc etc.
it IS different but I dare you to find people that give with zero expectation.
pretty much nails it. Anyone who says you give and they owe you nothing doesn't understand sales or fund raising. There are ALWAYS expectations attached.
My family's personal charity is St. Jude. We give twice a year. Our belief is that it gives those kids a better chance when facing long odds anyway. More money equals better Physicians, facilities, etc etc.
it IS different but I dare you to find people that give with zero expectation.
Yeah. Things work much better when you lecture a perfect stranger on how to spend his/her money.