you know, the time we lost some games we shouldn't have and coach34 had an erection for like 3 weeks?
Apparently David Huertas is leaving Ole Miss**
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...when our backcourt had a very young Barry Stewart and a very young Ben Hansborough, along with Gordon. That team underachieved as a whole. With Gordon and Rhodes on the court, we should've been better than an 8 seed, but we had a very young backcourt (and Stewart had an awful year, but we didn't have anybody else). However, Stewart and Hans gained experience and became decent players toward the end of the year. Then Hans leaves and we are right back with inexperience. Hans would've helped this season. He was a good free throw shooter and a hustle guy. We were very fortunate to have Bost come in and be as good as he was as a freshman, but you never know about freshmen. In case you didn't notice, we didn't exactly set the world on fire this past season. Despite what some on here said, we were not a bubble team going into Sunday of the SECT. We also lost at home to San Diego and Charlotte.
The point is that when you lose transfers, you are young every year, and your depth gets hurt.
The point is that when you lose transfers, you are young every year, and your depth gets hurt.
That losing the Delks did hurt our depth but they were not that good to begin with so it is debatable that we would have been any better with them on the team. Sure they would have eaten up some minutes but they would not have given us any more than Stewart and Hansbrough did. The only reason they put numbers at all as freshmen is because we had no one else to play their position because of the departures from the previous year.
...5 games in the early season last year really helped our seeding. Fortunately, the rest of our players were good enough to get us to the tournament, but with the Delks we likely would've won 1-3 more of those early season games. In case you don't remember, they hustled, one was our best defender, and one could shoot. Just because we made the tournament doesn't mean we weren't "ok without them." That's thinking like a loser. That team had the makeup to be a 3-6 seed, and even after Delks left, should've been better than an 8, but I digress.
I'd say the Hansborough loss hurt us less than the Delks because of Bost and Phil Turner stepping up his play. In any case, we weren't all that great this past season. We were an NIT team at noon on Selection Sunday, and we probably weren't even that the Thursday before. Oh, and we played in a horrible league, too.
I'd say the Hansborough loss hurt us less than the Delks because of Bost and Phil Turner stepping up his play. In any case, we weren't all that great this past season. We were an NIT team at noon on Selection Sunday, and we probably weren't even that the Thursday before. Oh, and we played in a horrible league, too.
I will say this again, the Delks were not very good players. They would not have beaten out Ben or Barry and would only have contributed 10-15 minutes a game. I don't think they would have elevated us to anything special and it is debateable whether their very presence would have negatively impacted the team from a chemistry standpoint. Richard could not handle the ball and Reggie was a horrid free throw shooter who Rick usually took out of the game in the closing minutes.</p>
...I don't think we lose all of those early season games if they were here. Maybe we just win one or two more. But it may have been enough to get us a 6 or 7 seed, and we're not still asking when Stansbury gets his first Sweet 16 appearance.
It's a loss of depth and experience, and that really hurt us during that time period.
It's a loss of depth and experience, and that really hurt us during that time period.
...this is apples to oranges anyway, because Huertas is a much better player than either or both Delks. Huertas and White hurts much more than Delks plus Hans.
Keep telling yourself it won't matter, rebel fan.
Keep telling yourself it won't matter, rebel fan.
...terrible for team chemistry. All about me. They never played defense either.
If there ever was a basketball sheep, his name was Hanmu.
No, they weren't great, but losing them hurt.
If there ever was a basketball sheep, his name was Hanmu.
No, they weren't great, but losing them hurt.
But yes....they were selfish pricks with an inflated opinion of their abilities. Look at Reggie's shooting stats and try to tell me with a straight face that he was a good shooter. Watch Richard's complete and total lack of a left hand and tell me he was a good point guard. Yet they wanted to be the stars and I have heard from numerous sources that there was no one on our team that mourned losing either of them.
This is the same crap that we always hear about the second string QB. Somehow they are great until they actually play. I think the absence of Richard and Reggie has made some forget how good they weren't. Being a warm body to put in the game does not equal making us better.
Losing Hanbrough this past season hurt us more than losing the 12th man at Louisville and a guy that plays at Troy freaking State.
This is the same crap that we always hear about the second string QB. Somehow they are great until they actually play. I think the absence of Richard and Reggie has made some forget how good they weren't. Being a warm body to put in the game does not equal making us better.
Losing Hanbrough this past season hurt us more than losing the 12th man at Louisville and a guy that plays at Troy freaking State.
...we agree to disagree. My whole point in posing in this thread is to point out that losing contributing players to transfer hurts. I guess you don't agree.
Sheep feed.
Toag Redloh said:
Can't believe I'm agreeing with you, but you're right that we'll be noticeably worse than expected because of Malcolm White being gone. We should be able to cover up for the loss of Huertas without much difficulty considering all the other quality guards we have. However, we will be severely lacking in the low post. White was a decent shot blocker, and he was actually good enough to not only defend the good bigs, but he could also rebound fairly well, and he had a decent jump shot. Cranston and Henry are not going to be able to take up the slack for his loss, and neither will the true freshman, Buckner. He's not a back to the basket guy.
But I never said transfers did not hurt. In fact, I just said that Ben's transfer hurt us. I was just saying that losing the Delks did not hurt us that much. As to the original point of this thread, losing Huertas will hurt Ole Miss a bit but they were headed for a log jam at his position next year anyway. If you have 4 guys of nearly equal ability to play one position then losing one won't hurt you much.
Look. You came up with the stupid Delk analogy, not me. You said that MSU fans tried to convince themselves that losing the Delks and Hans was a good thing. I just pointed out that your team improved without them.DowntownDawg said:
And it looks like you are working hard to convince yourself of our imminent doom. In my initial post I said I'd like the guy to hang around. As others have mentioned, depth at guard isn't a problem for us. I'll never lose an ounce of sleep over Dahveed leaving. I presume you haven't looked at anything more than his PPG (which diminished all season long).
A) State lost the Delks and Hans
B) State's basketball program was hurt because of the departures
C) OM lost White and Huertas
D) OM's basketball program will be hurt because of the departures
E) White and Huertas are better players than the Delks and Hans, as such, they are bigger losses.
That's all I am going to say about it. It hurts depth, and you lose players who have used alot of minutes gaining experience. And worst of all, it is hard evidence that all is not right in the land of Rebel basketball, and that there are likely some internal problems going on.
But I've said all of that ten times in as many different ways, so I won't waste any more time. You can have the last word.
B) State's basketball program was hurt because of the departures
C) OM lost White and Huertas
D) OM's basketball program will be hurt because of the departures
E) White and Huertas are better players than the Delks and Hans, as such, they are bigger losses.
That's all I am going to say about it. It hurts depth, and you lose players who have used alot of minutes gaining experience. And worst of all, it is hard evidence that all is not right in the land of Rebel basketball, and that there are likely some internal problems going on.
But I've said all of that ten times in as many different ways, so I won't waste any more time. You can have the last word.