Apparently, our baseball team has had way too much

38843dawg

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true idenity is showing. I was hoping for 2-2 on the weekend and still am, a long way to go until this game is done. But our pitching is just god awful.
 

State82

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starting next weekend. However, I'm not surprised at all. I fully expected a rocky road this year and have no problem with it. They still are more fun to watch than what we were accustomed to last year. Polk laid the program to rest and I have all the confidence that Cohen will resurrect it, but just not this year. I will still enjoy going to watch them play and look forward to the future.
 

RobertF50

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look bad when you start losing some. As mentioned this is a huge distraction and our first road trip. We'll beat some people we are not suppose to. I agree it is much more fun to watch the team this year. We are playing better with much less than we had last year. Polk just left us buried in mediocrity.
 

ArrowDawg

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.....better than we were last year, but I won't be angry if we don't. This is a rebuild job.
 

MSUCostanza

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Polk left us a pile of steaming ****. We have very little SEC-level talent. I do know, from the results of our first 10 or so games, that the guys we do have are going to bust their *** and that's good enough for me. Cohen has got me optimistic about the next few years just based on how hard we're playing right now.
 

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Caleb Reed might just be the worst pitcher to ever wear a State uniform! Coming into tonight his ERA was 37.80 and he just gave up another bomb and more runs. He had 1.2 IP and 7 ER before tonight and it is now rising even more!

What an embarrassment to get your a s s whooped by Hawaii and doing it with errors, no clutch hits, poor pitching and poor coaching.
 

RobertF50

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we keep running him out there. This might be a good learning experience before conference play starts. I bet they will get their butts worked off now, but with a Wednesday DH it may be tough to get much work in without being worn out going into the weekend.
 
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But not that surprising when you look at what we've got. A bullpen that's all Righties basically that throw the same type stuff at the same speeds. I had a bad feeling about this after looking at some of the Swan's practice reports. Nearly all of them are fastball-changeup guys with upper 80's stuff. Now, that will get you by the MVSU's and the Nicholls State's of the world but without a damn good 3rd pitch you can throw for strikes, upper 80's will get crushed against quality opponents. If late innings games are turned over to Reed, Swindle, Bussey very often, we're in for a world of hurting. Not impressed at all by any of them.
 
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but Polk left us for dead and Cohen's teams are fun to watch. Hell, atleast they aren't scared to take the bat off thier shoulders.
 

Todd4State

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MSUCostanza said:
Polk left us a pile of steaming ****. We have very little SEC-level talent. I do know, from the results of our first 10 or so games, that the guys we do
have are going to bust their *** and that's good enough for me. Cohen has got me optimistic about the next few years just based on how hard we're
playing right now.

but they are nice kids.

Part of the problem is we just have a bunch of players. We don't have anyone other than Conner Powers and maybe Grant Hogue that you can say is a bonafide player that we've go to get into the lineup. We basically have platoon's going on at about seven positions on the field and then we don't have any starters who eat innings and our bullpen depth is horrible. We're having to trot Caleb Reed out there, who should have been RS, just to get through some innings. Playing a four game series really exposed this to, so if there is a saving grace to this weekend, it's that.

What I think we need to do is this- continue to play Conner Powers and whoever else is the hottest at the time. And then go to a "team" rotation. The first pitcher will be asked to get through four innings and the second will be asked to get through three, with exceptions being made based on performance. Fri- Routt/Jones Sat- Bowen/Whitney Sun.- Moore/Busby. Then our closers will be Crosswhite and Houston. Reed and Hollinghead will be our long relief guys. Midweek, we should start Whitney for three and then let the bullpen guys take over- Busby, Jones, Houston, and Crosswhite. If we have two midweek games, we just need to say our prayers. Based on our current situation, I think that MIGHT work.
 

rebfan04

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that Cohen has an equal rebuilding job as compared with Andy Kennedy did when he arrived at Ole Miss?

I'm saying that because I don't have a clue how talented your team is, but Barnes left us, as you describe your team, "a steaming pile of ****."
 

Todd4State

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I think it's easier to rebuild in college baseball than college basketball because the players stay for a shorter period of time.

But no, I don't think it is.

We still have 4-5 guys who played key roles in getting us to Omaha two years ago.

I still think that we are going to win 30 and probably go to a Regional. We do have a steaming pile of ****, but at least our pile of **** is a hustling pile of ****. Plus, we've only had one losing season in 30 years or so, whereas your basketball team had several in a much shorter period of time that I don't feel like looking up right now.
 

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and we really do have a team full of Div. II players (and several that couldn't make it at the top Div. II programs).</p>
 

rebfan04

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your team should have a better or equal comparative season than our basketball team did because a) its easier to rebuild and b) y'all were left with more.

I'm just wondering what the expectations are on this board, because I firmly believe that if y'all didn't make a regional (which I think should be a minimal requirement this year) some would say "It's all Polk's fault."

As regards to our losing seasons, it was 4 straight before Barnes was fired.
 

Todd4State

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Like I said, I expect us to win 30 games. That's only a seven game improvement. It's very doable. Especially since we lost some games to people like Air Force, and Arkansas-Little Rock.

If we do worse, people will blame Polk and rightfully so. It was his decision to recruit exclusively from "the camp" and basically sit on his *** and write letters to the NCAA and his ex-players while pretty much everyone else in the SEC, and country for that matter, were out trying to win and move their programs forward. Polk is more of a teacher than a manager, if that makes sense. He got more satisfaction out of taking some "nice boys" and teaching them about the game and getting them to the point where they could go to a Regional and that was it. He didn't care if we won a NC or not. That's just how he was at the end of his career- I do think that there was a time that he maybe wanted to win a NC, but he lost interest for whatever reason. A lot of people have forgotten, but Polk used to a very aggressive recruiter and was innovative in his own right at the time. We didn't just get lucky that Will Clark and Palmeiro showed up at the camp one summer, if you know what I mean.

We used to be the cutting edge program in the SEC, but lately we've gotten way behind. Cohen is just now bringing in computers and things like that to help our players with their game. He also put together a pretty good class with a good mix of Fr. and JUCO players that I think will help pretty soon. We will have to fight off MLB for a player or two for the first time in quite awhile.

But McNickle deserves a lot of the blame to. Maybe even more than Polk. I honestly think that my Mom with a "Pitching for Dummies" book would have been more qualified to coach pitchers than Russ McNickle. We had no plan whatsoever. It was basically go out there, and get your pitches in and go home. He is the reason why our entire starting rotation went down with injuries last year, as well as our closer. We had Jesse Carver in the weekend rotation at times. I think we go to a Regional last year if our pitching staff doesn't go down if want my honest opinion, and I believe that Polk would still be our coach if that had happened. I think Polk bailed when he saw that the **** was about to hit the fan and tried to force Raffo in, of course we now know that Polk would have still been around as a "volunteer coach" and would have still been calling the shots. And our hitting went downhill after all of the coaching controversy started, but we had some key injuries there to, so I think we would have only been a little bit better. McNickle hurt us as far as recruiting pitchers because we had a reputation for ruining arms. You can look at some of our Fr. pitchers and tell that we were the only major college offer for most of those guys.

At the same time, in some sort of sick way, if McNickle had not sucked so bad, we may not have Cohen right now. I don't think Raffo would have been the best coach for MSU right now. And I don't think that the MSU job would have been best for Tommy Raffo right now either. I think MSU fans want a more aggressive coach, and I think that MSU fans also want a coach that they feel is going to give them the best shot at winning a NC. That's why Cohen was hired.

You can't really compare MSU baseball to Ole Miss basketball because there are so many MSU people that care a lot about MSU baseball as a group vs. Ole Miss basketball. Baseball is the one sport at MSU that we can really truly brag about in terms of a national scale, and I would daresay that most of MSU's well- known athletes nationally were baseball players. Even now, we have Papelbon, who many are saying is the best closer in baseball right now, and Paul Maholm, who is the Pirates ace. I think a lot of people feel like we have a legit shot at winning the NC in baseball, moreso than some of the other sports, but I think people were afraid that if our baseball program had to undergo a massive rebuilding project, that our window of opportunity might close. Getting Cohen was almost like a "save MSU baseball" campaign.