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and nothing the drunken fat dipshits on this board can say will change that. The only thing that can push me off the Stans bandwagon is if this team doesn't come together during SEC play. We've had some bad luck with players being in and out, we all know that, but the proof is in the pudding at the end of the day. Head coach is responsible.
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a 30+ loss to VT is 17ing unacceptable. No wonder you've been banned so many times you're a dubmass . How can you think this team will come together during SEC play(I laugh at your stupidity as i type this).We WILL GET RAPED in a weak conference.
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Bad Luck? How can you call your starting point guard failing to remove his name from the NBA Draft before the actual deadline bad luck? What about having 5 star recruit in your program for 1.3 seasons and he cant run 5 trips down the court? What about the transfer of R. Osby? He would be helpful. And before you call that bad luck, remember, it seems we have players transferring out of the program every year. It is one of the few things that have remained consistent.Goat Holder II said:
This season is over today unless we win the SECT. 2 losses to horrible teams and a blowout loss against a mediocre team with our ridiculously horrible OOC schedule AND the SEC being a terrible conference confirm this. There is literally nothing that can be done about this. Not even going 14-2 in conference play.
Y'all wake me up when it's football season again. BB and baseball are going to be pointless to keep up with, unless you're just needing some frustration in your life.
Y'all wake me up when it's football season again. BB and baseball are going to be pointless to keep up with, unless you're just needing some frustration in your life.
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before I go off the deep end. It seems as if he has lost all control, but somehow seems to win ballgames. Take the second half of that equation away and it's hard to defend him.
I'm waiting.
and I dont mean the fella you think could possibly do better because he won the little ten conference in basketball in wyoming 3out of the last 7 years.
I mean someone proven.
I'll sit here with my breath held.
Fact is, we need to spend our money on a football coach. So shut the *^&^ up and lets revisit this at the end of the season when we are in the hunt for the sec west like we are every year.
and I dont mean the fella you think could possibly do better because he won the little ten conference in basketball in wyoming 3out of the last 7 years.
I mean someone proven.
I'll sit here with my breath held.
Fact is, we need to spend our money on a football coach. So shut the *^&^ up and lets revisit this at the end of the season when we are in the hunt for the sec west like we are every year.
Stupid idiots who think Stans can't be replaced. Just because we have **** for history..and Rick has given us some success..does not mean that is the best we can do.gravedigger said:
A GOOD COACH in the SEC WEST would compete for the SEC overall with the benefit of playing all the ****** SEC west teams twice in a season (vs being in the stronger East) and take care of the OOC opponents.
It's a thug sport and I don't care about Stans one way or another. The only thing I don't like is his two kids running out on the court. That is too much like a chruch league. If they fire him oh well but he is here and he is here for this year and another so you might as well get behind the team. Only a fool would want us to lose the next 20 games like in that othe thread.
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Coach K went to Dook from Army
Donovan went to Florida from Marshall
Roy Williams was an asst who was hired by Kansas
Ben Howland was hired away from N. Arizona by Pitt
Rick Pitino coached Boston University before Providence
Bruce Pearl coached in juco then Wisconsin-Milwaukee
Tubby Smith coached Tulsa before Georgia hired him
Bill Self coached Tulsa before Illionois hired him
shall I keep going? Thats the way the system works- big schools hire away successful coaches from lower conferences or assts from Bigtime programs
I support the program because i love basketball and MSU.
The product, in its current form, is a football bat.
The product, in its current form, is a football bat.
I'm frustrated too. But lets be honest. Here are a few things I consider:
1.) Basketball has been our only true winning program this last decade. One good season of football doesn't mean we get to start firing all our coaches. I mean crap, I don't know about you, but a 7-3 early season record in basketball doesn't change the fact that for the last TEN YEARS, Stansbury has given me the only f'ing thing to be proud of at MSU athletics.
2.) The SEC sucks in basketball. What exactly are we asking for? Other than Florida and Kentucky, is there really a consistently better program in the SEC? I mean, sure...gripe all you want. But we aren't the ACC.
3.) You guys that are heavily pissed about the RSS should remember, he came to us! This wasn't a Travis Outlaw. We didn't spend a lot of time recruiting him. Any playing time this guy got was bonus. I never truly drank the Kool-aid on him. I'm actually waiting on Dee.
4.) Dee's failure to be playing now is NOT a reflection of coaching. Its a reflection of him being an idiot. Like it or not, he's our best player and he's riding pine for his own choices.
5.) Finally, WHO would you actually think could come in and do significantly better? I'm being serious? Who would come to Starkville, on our pay, and do much better? Remember our AD is trying to pile money together for our football coach, so where is the extra pay going to come from?
6.) We are competitive every year. I want a sweet 16 too. But seriously...look around. How many b-ball programs do you see that you really want to trade with? Every good team in the SEC this year (again, minus FLA and UK), has had recent awful years.
For me, its going to take more than just one bad year to kick him to the curb. I'm not happy with this season thus far, but we've given much worse coaches, much more flexibility.
1.) Basketball has been our only true winning program this last decade. One good season of football doesn't mean we get to start firing all our coaches. I mean crap, I don't know about you, but a 7-3 early season record in basketball doesn't change the fact that for the last TEN YEARS, Stansbury has given me the only f'ing thing to be proud of at MSU athletics.
2.) The SEC sucks in basketball. What exactly are we asking for? Other than Florida and Kentucky, is there really a consistently better program in the SEC? I mean, sure...gripe all you want. But we aren't the ACC.
3.) You guys that are heavily pissed about the RSS should remember, he came to us! This wasn't a Travis Outlaw. We didn't spend a lot of time recruiting him. Any playing time this guy got was bonus. I never truly drank the Kool-aid on him. I'm actually waiting on Dee.
4.) Dee's failure to be playing now is NOT a reflection of coaching. Its a reflection of him being an idiot. Like it or not, he's our best player and he's riding pine for his own choices.
5.) Finally, WHO would you actually think could come in and do significantly better? I'm being serious? Who would come to Starkville, on our pay, and do much better? Remember our AD is trying to pile money together for our football coach, so where is the extra pay going to come from?
6.) We are competitive every year. I want a sweet 16 too. But seriously...look around. How many b-ball programs do you see that you really want to trade with? Every good team in the SEC this year (again, minus FLA and UK), has had recent awful years.
For me, its going to take more than just one bad year to kick him to the curb. I'm not happy with this season thus far, but we've given much worse coaches, much more flexibility.
He posted just yesterday in the thread about wanting to lose the rest of the season's games.Danhandled5 said:
Good point you have here.
B/c I keep reading troll posts over on NAFOOM from Sixpackers and then racial jests towards Ole Miss, yet y'all let this fly unscathed over here?
I support him because I love the university and he is our coach. I appreciate the look of theteams he puts on the floor. In my opinion he wants his players to resemble those at Duke and North Carolina. Our guys will never play like those teams, but atthe very least,we look pretty good at the airport. I'm not a fan of long hair and headbands. You will never see that from a Stans coached team. I remember Charles Rhodes on a recruiting visit. He had dreadlocks and was wearing a hockey jersey. He missed the bus a few times, but on senior day he scored 30 and kissed the floor after a hugh ovation. We haven't had many players with that type toughness. I do give Stans credit for having some influence on CR. This does not make up for all the transfers we've lost. He's done some really stupid things over the years, but we've had moderate success as well. I say give him the rest of the year and then make a call. We could make a change and do betteror we could make a change and do/look worse.
Rick does not. He understands everything else. Give me someone who doesn't make me want to pull my hair out after watching one possession. I'd rather have five 2 stars on the floor who understand fundamentals and structured basketball, than have 3 and 4 stars that stand around with the ball above their heads, waiting for the shot clock to get low so they can take a shot.
He needs a right-hand man (from outside of the program) that preaches disciplined/fundamentally sound offense. I'm tired of the "Stans, the players coach" image he's got going for himself. That's fine for recruiting and getting talent to campus, but it's terrible for having a consistently performing team. I've got no problem with a head coach recognizing his faults as long as he puts somebody on the staff that can compensate for that.
Stans has always been a solid recruiter, but until we start having Top 5 classes on a consistent basis and can simply out-athlete the competition, these AAU kids aren't going to be producing in the system Stans puts them in. They need structure. He doesn't provide it. Fix it.
Stans has always been a solid recruiter, but until we start having Top 5 classes on a consistent basis and can simply out-athlete the competition, these AAU kids aren't going to be producing in the system Stans puts them in. They need structure. He doesn't provide it. Fix it.
Yes, after living through the Joe Dan Gold, Kermit Davis, Jim Hatfield, Bob Boyd and yes ... Richard Williams years, I think Stans has "done more with less" than many other coaches.
So, do we 'live with winning the west 2 of every three years' and hope we do better in the NCAAs or do we hire the next John Pelphrey that happens along?
Stans = Mike Bianco
Bianco recruits well, has a good record against State, teams do well against the West teams, has put the word "baseball' into rebel vocabulary, has his team in the regionals almost every year ... BUT, crap, he can't for the life of him get to Omaha. Hell, Polk in his decline, pulls a trip... makes it look easy and the rebs have another major episode of hemiroids.
So, what do you do? Do you gamble that _______ (fill in the blank with that up and coming coach ... like Stan Heath, John Pelphrey, John Brady, Dennis Felton, Jeff Lebo) that just won his conference and got to the dance?
Agree, _________ is a better floor coach; but does he know his way around Mississippi, is he ready to spend 2 1/2 years recruiting Scotty Hopson ... only to see him 'wave' as he collects the $$$?
If _________ is any good, why is he going to settle for the smallest budget in the SEC, second smallest arena, last SEC team to get a practice facility, #11 in fan support, to compete in the SEC West?
Okay, blast away ... Biscuit
So, do we 'live with winning the west 2 of every three years' and hope we do better in the NCAAs or do we hire the next John Pelphrey that happens along?
Stans = Mike Bianco
Bianco recruits well, has a good record against State, teams do well against the West teams, has put the word "baseball' into rebel vocabulary, has his team in the regionals almost every year ... BUT, crap, he can't for the life of him get to Omaha. Hell, Polk in his decline, pulls a trip... makes it look easy and the rebs have another major episode of hemiroids.
So, what do you do? Do you gamble that _______ (fill in the blank with that up and coming coach ... like Stan Heath, John Pelphrey, John Brady, Dennis Felton, Jeff Lebo) that just won his conference and got to the dance?
Agree, _________ is a better floor coach; but does he know his way around Mississippi, is he ready to spend 2 1/2 years recruiting Scotty Hopson ... only to see him 'wave' as he collects the $$$?
If _________ is any good, why is he going to settle for the smallest budget in the SEC, second smallest arena, last SEC team to get a practice facility, #11 in fan support, to compete in the SEC West?
Okay, blast away ... Biscuit
Ok, if you were around through all those coaches then I'm assuming you're a good bit older than quite a few here, which would explain the typical, pitty-us, poor ol' MState comment "Who would want to come here? No fans, no money, no facilities." That **** just pisses me off and I think thats why there is such a big disconnect between older and younger alumni.
I can't help it that you lived through some of the most miserable times of being a State fan. But just because you did, doesn't mean I have to compare today to 30 years ago too. I don't wake up and say "Damn, my IPhone is broken. But hey, its better than what I had 30 years ago, which was nothing. So, I think I'll go with my broke, non-functioning, waste of my damn time IPhone."
People need to stop that **** of comparing college athletics to what it was 30-40, hell even 15 years ago. Its a totally different game. That sounds like the Bears waiting for their NC because the Vaught and Archie graced their campus years ago. Do you think Boise and TCU give a **** what happened 30 years ago? Even schools like VaTech, UConn, Oregon? Do you think if they suddenly went 2 or 3 years in a row with bad records their fans would just say "Well, Ho-17ing, Hum. Looks like we're back to where we belong."
I can't help it that you lived through some of the most miserable times of being a State fan. But just because you did, doesn't mean I have to compare today to 30 years ago too. I don't wake up and say "Damn, my IPhone is broken. But hey, its better than what I had 30 years ago, which was nothing. So, I think I'll go with my broke, non-functioning, waste of my damn time IPhone."
People need to stop that **** of comparing college athletics to what it was 30-40, hell even 15 years ago. Its a totally different game. That sounds like the Bears waiting for their NC because the Vaught and Archie graced their campus years ago. Do you think Boise and TCU give a **** what happened 30 years ago? Even schools like VaTech, UConn, Oregon? Do you think if they suddenly went 2 or 3 years in a row with bad records their fans would just say "Well, Ho-17ing, Hum. Looks like we're back to where we belong."
Did not mean to depress anyone but the "reality" is ... we are in the SEC West. It has good points and bad. We just lost to Bama, LSU, Auburn and Arkansas in football ... only west team we beat was Ole Miss. BUT, we are celebrating 'keeping' the coach that has a 13-11 overall and a losing SEC record.
I'm not blind to the BB issues and agree that it was time for Polk to go but Stans has been the only consistant winner MSU has had in modern times. I think he deserves the chance to right the ship.
Biscuit
I'm not blind to the BB issues and agree that it was time for Polk to go but Stans has been the only consistant winner MSU has had in modern times. I think he deserves the chance to right the ship.
Biscuit
experience in life to not assume all "old" people are dumbasses who don't want better. Maybe you will be able to give them (not all, but those who have learned from their years) the benefit of your inexperienced doubt and think, "Hey, maybe this guy does have a point that is informed by his years of accumulated knowledge? Maybe it is a point that I can't understand yet, because I haven't seen or experienced much?"
Maybe you will come to that conclusion, but I doubt it because you already know it all, like most children. The fact is that money makes the world go around. We don't have as much of it as many many schools and that will always be that in this prosperous country of ours. We will field competitive and even very good teams from time to time because of the athletic talent in our small state, but we will rarely win big. The sooner you accept that, the less angry you will be, and the more fairly you will judge our coaches (those who have earned it, like Stans). If you want to helpmake the changes you think are so easy happen,then make $10 mil and give it to the Bulldog Club.
Maybe you will come to that conclusion, but I doubt it because you already know it all, like most children. The fact is that money makes the world go around. We don't have as much of it as many many schools and that will always be that in this prosperous country of ours. We will field competitive and even very good teams from time to time because of the athletic talent in our small state, but we will rarely win big. The sooner you accept that, the less angry you will be, and the more fairly you will judge our coaches (those who have earned it, like Stans). If you want to helpmake the changes you think are so easy happen,then make $10 mil and give it to the Bulldog Club.
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