We aren’t attempting to get the best guy in this class.
The spot was promised 3 years ago as part of a packaged deal.
Competition, evaluation, etc., are neither here nor there.
are we ignoring a local qb?
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The spot was promised 3 years ago as part of a packaged deal.
Competition, evaluation, etc., are neither here nor there.
If you read my post I agreed with that. I don't know about all the "package deal" stuff but I think it could be plausible. My bottom line is that you try and get the best you can get and I absolutely don't think baby Raiola was that.
But if it's not right to do it with Raiola what makes it right to do it with said in state QB?
You can't have it both ways. Wrong is wrong and right is right...no?
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Oh sorry, I meant like the best nebraska HS Qb that actually has interest from other schools. You really don't lose much by offering the kid.
I don't think I explained myself all that well.
I don't mean offer the best QB each year if the best QB is still a dud. I mean offer the best QB in the state if he is clearly a P5 player.
Ok that makes much more sense. Here's a scenario for you though.
You only have maybe 12-15 HS spots one year. You have only one spot allotted for the QB position. You have an in state guy who is highly rated and has a few quality power 4 offers. You actually like him and think he can be successful at your level.
But you also have another QB from out of state who you clearly view as the better prospect. He also has several quality power 4 offers. This guy is actually viewed by the people who rate these guys as the better QB. You did your evaluation on both and you have this guy as the better prospect as well.
You can only take one QB...what are you doing?
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What am I doing?
I am going back to my sweet crib and having girls over to party. I mean, I am the rich *** head coach of a P5 team, making like 5-7 million a year.
look, Rhule isn't the first coach - and not even the first NU coach - to give a family member(s) preferential treatment in hopes the superstar of the brood pays dividendsNot necessarily. Perception? I get it. And even if it is, is it a bad offer
Hoiberg has done it more than once
it is what it is
the fact so many refuse to accept this is what fascinates me
OP said the state of Nebraska hasn't had a qb pan out for 24 years. I pointed out Easton Stick. Am I wrong?
Pretty smart move really. You get the #1 player in the country and it only costs you a scholarship to his brother who might just be a pretty good player anyway? No brainer.
Costs us an OL coach spot, too, but I agree
Like anything, it’s a gamble & there are worse bets
DR turns into a superstar, program is off and running
DR doesn’t pan out, sets us back but Rhule will still get his cash
I just don’t understand the people who insist on suppressing the truth. It is what it is.
Of course you are not wrong. You are absolutely right in fact.
What I'd say though if you are telling me you are gonna get one Easton Stick in 24 years as "the guy" is that what we should be shooting for? Or should we aim higher?
If that's the answer he's more like an outlier right? So should we bet on THAT?
Again it's all relative. It's why I will always say take the best player REGARDLESS. Their will be years when the best in state guy isn't worthy. Their will be years when he just might be the best that we can get. Act accordingly. It shouldn't be a blanket "take him cause he's the best in the state". Or "don't take in state kids because the last 20 of them amounted to nothing".
When you take the best guy you can get it eliminates all that BS. For some reason our fans push back on that. But again you can't have it both ways. You can't want your HC to win 10/11 games every year and ignore better national talent when it's there ro be had.
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That's the part people don't get. I'm on record as saying I think we could've done better than baby Raiola. BUT if you tell me in order to get the best or top 2 QB in the country for 3-4 years I had to take his baby brother as well I'd probably make that deal every day that ends in Y. I think most other programs would also.
Again ..doesn't make it right nut I understand.
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I know we offered Dayton but what I'm questioning is whether it was ever a stipulation by the Raiolas that you take both or neither
I don't necessarily believe it was a stipulation by the Raiola's. It could have been Rhule just adding a carrot or an additional incentive to lure the older one to seal the deal.
It points back to what I’ve been saying about our QB room with the roster number limits. You can’t stockpile developmental/walkon QBs on your roster like everybody has in the past. In our case we’re probably going to have to offer a developmental QB to fill our needs and if we’re going to do that it might as well be a local kid who might stick around for several years. IMO IF this Bama offer is real, it’s to try to get a kid willing to be a backup for a few years realizing a couple of injuries or transfers and he could be the man at Alabama.
5* QB
4* QB
3* QB with one single P4 offer
5* QB
probably a coincidence.
meantime, it is an unassailable fact uncle don is a "really good OL coach"
you're constantly selling Thomalla short
he's a top 25 player at the position and a top 200 overall national recruit going into his senior year
why the insistence on calling him a "backup" or "developmental/walkon" or "clipboard holder"?
wherever he's going, he's going to compete and play
He’s Dayton without the last name. I’m not as enamored with stars and national rankings as some people. People worried about offering Dayton need to come to grips with the idea that he may never take a meaningful snap at NU. We’re going to have 1-2 QBs like that on the roster at any given time. I have never watched Thomalia. From what people who did have said, I don’t care if we offer him or not. We have a clipboard holder committed who may or may not ever play.
My point on area kids remains that we MIGHT find a kid who develops into a starter in year 3 or 4. Sounds like pops might be a pain in the *** in this case. I’ll leave QB recruiting up to Dans. Personally I would like for us to scour Texas for kids like Burkhead who played a ton of games at QB against good competition. QB recruiting is such a crap shoot and the personality/mental side of things is huge. Getting commitments from 16 year old kids is kind of sketchy. BTW, I still think Haarberg could have won 7 games for us last year. Hopefully Dylan’s ceiling is much higher but I wish he had wheels.
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sorry, Thomalla is a better prospect by literally every possible measure
glad you admitted your opinion is baseless because that's certainly how it comes across
Yeah. I just said that I’ve quit being enamored by the Rivals rankings of QBs. Look at all the 4 star duds we’ve recruited over the past 26 years. Honestly there are a few guys who post on here who get to watch these kids over several years who I put more value in than the Rivals staff. There was an Omaha area coach or two on here back when suggesting we were missing the boat on Stick.
I’ve watched a few highlights of Dayton. Looks like he has some arm talent. Unlike you, I think his last name has value from the football IQ standpoint. That said, I wish he were more mobile. Maybe we’re missing out on Thomalia. Time will tell. I’ll root for him to do well wherever he lands. IMO, ISU would be a good spot for him.
I'm not talking about stars.
Thomalla is 6'5", D1 arm and very mobile + tough.
just took an OV to Ohio St, committed to a guy who puts guys in the NFL and recently offered by another highly thought of QB developer.
I haven’t seen the arm on display or his mobility. Back to my thought on recruiting kids with the Burkhead football IQ. I don’t disagree with your points. I’ve not talked to the kid or his parents. Most of us can’t judge one very important component of being a college QB that isn’t easy to quantify numerically. I’ve noted many times that I would prefer a more athletic QB.
this is an interesting thought experimentIF it was a package deal with the Raiolas, I’d rather have both of them instead of just Jett
wouldn't have been "just Jett"
we'd still have Lateef, and last year we very well could've had the nation's leading passer (K McCord) leading our offensive attack
True since it looks good for Lateef and 27.IF it was a package deal with the Raiolas, I’d rather have both of them instead of just Jett
Imo, qb is the 1 position especially today that you're just not gonna get the best every year. Every other or 3rd year is logical if no injuries. Otherwise someone's transferring out. Rb is a different story since they can rotate. Not gonna do that at qb
injuries happen
guys develop/flatline
get the absolute best you can every year and force players' hand - want to play? earn it. want to leave? there's the door.
planning for the unplannable is a fool's errand
Not this McCord stuff again
One he couldn’t beat Boston college and two Dylan has starting experience now as a Sophomore.this year's starter without the Raiolas would likely be another transfer. there were lots available.Not this McCord stuff again
these sliding doors moments are interesting to reflect on.
You’re doing the slider door act. The rest of us are excited what Dylan does in the future and Holgorsen has mentioned that Dylan is the best QB he has been around.
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I'm also excited.
can't wait for the season.
for now, it's May 19th, and this is a discussion forum.
Off season ifs and buts. It’s all we have without spring game superstars…. What if Bo had recruited Harrison Phillips….
I don't think anyone could've gotten him to stay home when he had that Stanford scholarship in hand.
and I don't blame him for that.
Since 2000, Holgerson has either been a head coach or assistant at TX Tech, Houston, Okie State, WVU and NU. So he saw a lot of Kingsbury, Case Keenum, Brandon Weeden and Geno Smith. I'll take his opinion when it comes to Raiola over nearly anybody else.
Plenty of top 25 at their position and top 200 overall have not meet those expectations.