Are we that bad?

[Digging dog]

I keep hearing national writers ( ie Mike Detielier sp?) on OOB this morning saying that MSU is just not that good. I've been a fan/ follower for a long time. I think we ARE pretty good. Maybe a little soft on defense, but not bad. Am I right or is the maroon Kool-Aid just too good?

 

[cheewgumm]

The only test we have had is the # 1 team that everyone thinks is the best

college team EVER at their place on homecoming.

We may not be that good, but nobody knows yet. We need to beat A&M. Period.

 

[shotgunDawg]

I keep hearing national writers ( ie Mike Detielier sp?) on OOB this morning saying that MSU is just not that good. I've been a fan/ follower for a long time. I think we ARE pretty good. Maybe a little soft on defense, but not bad. Am I right or is the maroon Kool-Aid just too good?

I mentioned this in an earlier thread. The media folks really don't think we are any good, but all they have to go on is the Alabama game in which, even for our standards, we played sloppy and just bad. What I don't get is how they think we are not good, but think a Texas A&M team that gave up 50+ points to La Tech and should have lost to OM is good?

People are down right sleeping on us. They prejudged us by saying that we hadn't played anyone before the TN game, and then the Bama game just confirmed, in their minds, what they wanted to believe. The flaw in their logic is that Bama really is that good, and we played @ Bama.

However, the good thing is that we really have a chance to get some respect this weekend.

 

[Railin Jemmye]

Texas A&M is blowing people out, scoring alot of points, and.....

....played Florida and LSU tough. We just came off a shellacking at Alabama. It's just the nature of the herd.

 

[Spidey.sixpack]

I'd like to think we are not that bad and that our offensive efficiency gives us a great chance to win the remainder of our games. Defense needs to step up and hold some teams to FGs or less. Need to keep creating turnovers. IF we create turnovers Saturday and hold onto the ball, we should win by 14+.

 

[biteyoudawg]

After reading a lot of these posts on this board I just assume we are bad. You gotta read here to get the expert's commentary on MSU anything.

 

[msstatelp1]

The national perception is that we're not that good. Before the Bama game, I heard one sports writer talking about how we seem to be getting better and just when people are ready to start believing it, we have something like our 2011 season or the Bama game. He said he's seen it enough to get tired of taking a chance on us. I think most of the other media types are that way too. We need to beat "name" teams if we want people to respect us. Jackson State, Troy, and USA may help get us a bowl bid, but it doesn't get us respect. Beating an average TN team helps get us a bowl bid but then getting shellacked at Bama hurts us in trying to get respect.

 

[KingBarkus]

Here's a brief preview of our A&M game from a Vegas betting site. Some points I disagree, some are harsh, some are the hard truth. I post for your reading...

While this game will most likely become a new SEC West rivalry for each school (reasons of which I will get to shortly), these two schools have only met five times prior to this week with Mississippi State holding a 3-2 edge. The last time they met was in the 2001 Independence Bowl, a.k.a. the snow bowl, where The Bulldogs won 43-41 in overtime. Apparently someone at MSU thought people would not only remember that game but care about it as well, because they are dubbing this game the "Snow Bowl reunion" and from what I understand Mississippi State will wear white as they did back in 2001 to "commemorate" that victory. As for the future rivalry between these two teams? Well, these two schools are very similar on many levels; both schools were founded as Agriculture and Engineering as their prominent focus. Mississippi State's original name was The Agricultural and Mechanical College of the State of Mississippi. That's the same A&M that is used by Texas A&M today. Both schools have "military" ties; both schools have a dog as a mascot; and of course both schools sport the ever popular Maroon and White school colors. But more importantly, both teams are desperately trying to be taken seriously in the SEC. The point being that a rivalry between the two schools is almost inevitable. As far as this year's game goes, The Aggies are coming in off an absolute dismantling of Auburn; however they are 0-2 against the two ranked SEC teams they have faced this year in LSU and Florida, and both of those were at home, and they still have to travel to Alabama next week. Just ask Mississippi State how well that plays out. The Bulldogs went into Tuscaloosa 7-0 and got absolutely manhandled 38-7 by the Tide. That being said these are two good football teams with good head coaches and a solid future ahead of them, but like it or not they are still second tier SEC schools trying to make it to the big boy table with Bama, LSU, Florida and Georgia. The winner won't get invited anytime soon, but in order to take the next step in the SEC you have to be able to beat the teams on your level first. The Aggies apparently are getting a little more respect than the Bulldogs at this point though as A&M is a 3-point SEC road favorite in Starkville this weekend.

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[BoDawg.sixpack]

MSU is not a media darling, therefore we are innocent until proven guilty

We are innocent of being *that* good until proving ourselves. Nothing is automatic for us unlike Notre Dame and a handfull of others. But we're in the same boat with the majority of D-I programs. Nothing wrong with that, and we can take a big step at home on Saturday against aTm.

 

[patdog]

It's just typical media reaction. Everything is overhyped. They'll hype a team up to quickly, which they did to some extent in our case (I never thought for a second we were the 11th best team in the country). Then they'll turn on it just as quickly. Usually the truth is somewhere in the middle. We're not quite as good as they were saying we were last week, and we're not as bad as they're saying we are now.

 

[patdog]

Not sure what there is to disagree with. That's a pretty good analysis. We are both 2nd tier SEC teams trying to get to that next level. And that's a very difficult level to get to. It took Steve Spurrier 7 years to get South Carolina there, and he's a very good coach. And even at that, they're still not quite at the same level as Bama and LSU.

 

[Aggie96]

I mentioned this in an earlier thread. The media folks really don't think we are any good, but all they have to go on is the Alabama game in which, even for our standards, we played sloppy and just bad. What I don't get is how they think we are not good, but think a Texas A&M team that gave up 50+ points to La Tech and should have lost to OM is good?

People are down right sleeping on us. They prejudged us by saying that we hadn't played anyone before the TN game, and then the Bama game just confirmed, in their minds, what they wanted to believe. The flaw in their logic is that Bama really is that good, and we played @ Bama.

However, the good thing is that we really have a chance to get some respect this weekend.

You mean the same LaTech that has the #2 scoring offense in the country and in 6 of the 8 games they have played this year put up 50+ points, and the other 2 games were 44 and 28 points??? I don't think you guys have a bad football team... far from it, I just think you haven't played anyone to show if you are good or not. You have only played 2 teams with winning records and we all know how that went with one of them... I think MSU has a decent team, but A&M should win this game more often than not. Do I think we win this 10 out of 10 games??? No, but I think we would 7 out of 10....
Good luck Saturday... we will all know a lot more about our schools then

 

[CadaverDawg]

You mean the same LaTech that has the #2 scoring offense in the country and in 6 of the 8 games they have played this year put up 50+ points, and the other 2 games were 44 and 28 points I don't think you guys have a bad football team... far from it, I just think you haven't played anyone to show if you are good or not. You have only played 2 teams with winning records and we all know how that went with one of them... I think MSU has a decent team, but A&M should win this game more often than not. Do I think we win this 10 out of 10 games No, but I think we would 7 out of 10....
Good luck Saturday... we will all know a lot more about our schools then

You are a dumb17. Based on what?? Listen, you guys may run us out of the damn stadium, but until you beat us, there's no way you can make this statement. And for the love of God, quit pimping La Tech's offensive ranking....they have played a bunch of shitastic teams too. I'm telling you, you and your fan base better be careful taking so much away from beating the **** out of a 1-7 Auburn team and a terrible Arkansas team. There is no way in **** that I'm going to sit here and listen to your "we should win 7 out of 10" **** though. We are just as much, if not more, talented than you guys are as a whole. So take your cocky **** elsewhere.

 

[shotgunDawg]

You mean the same LaTech that has the #2 scoring offense in the country and in 6 of the 8 games they have played this year put up 50+ points, and the other 2 games were 44 and 28 points I don't think you guys have a bad football team... far from it, I just think you haven't played anyone to show if you are good or not. You have only played 2 teams with winning records and we all know how that went with one of them... I think MSU has a decent team, but A&M should win this game more often than not. Do I think we win this 10 out of 10 games No, but I think we would 7 out of 10....
Good luck Saturday... we will all know a lot more about our schools then

Just curious what your reasoning is for thinking that A&M is better than State? What evidence do you have that you guys are better and win in Starkville this weekend? I am not saying you guys won't win, but rather what is the reasoning that you will?

Is it because you played Florida and LSU tough at home? Well, the weakness of your team is your secondary and we throw the ball much better than both Florida and LSU. Your best SEC win is against Ole Miss. No doubt you guys have beaten up on Ark and Auburn, but who hasn't?

In fact our win against Tennessee is a better than any win you have. Tennessee is vastly underrated. They lost close games at SC, UGA, and State.

 

[Ishmael]

You mean the same LaTech that has the #2 scoring offense in the country and in 6 of the 8 games they have played this year put up 50+ points, and the other 2 games were 44 and 28 points I don't think you guys have a bad football team... far from it, I just think you haven't played anyone to show if you are good or not. You have only played 2 teams with winning records and we all know how that went with one of them... I think MSU has a decent team, but A&M should win this game more often than not. Do I think we win this 10 out of 10 games No, but I think we would 7 out of 10....
Good luck Saturday... we will all know a lot more about our schools then

Wait, what in your analysis leads you to believe that A&M should win this match up 7 out of 10 times? Sure, MSU has played a relatively weak schedule so far (although I suspect Tenn. will turn out to be average by the end of the year). A&M may well win, but I don't see how you think they are likely to win 7 out of 10 times based on anything you've posted. Plus, I think A&M has only beaten 2 teams with a winning record at this point also.

 

[SignalToNoise]

One thing you are good at is putting on airs.

Other than Ole Miss, I have never seen a fan base with a more over-inflated sense of self esteem than Texas A&M.

 

[InaccuratePredictionsDawg]

It's us against them. Always has been, always will be...

...one reason (out of a million reasons) I hate we lost to Bama is because you have seen how the sports media works: There would have been little mention of how Miss. State is on the rise. It would just all be about how Saban is losing his touch; Bama is not really that good; Bama has problems on the OL, etc. There is really nothing MSU can do to get in with the good graces of the national media. If we beat aTm, you'll hear, "Johnny Football had an off game." Or, "Ole Miss & LA Tech was trying to tell us something about aTm, but we just wouldn't listen." The national sports media chooses its narratives & sticks with them. If they like a team & that team stumbles, then that team has problems. The teams that beat their national darlings rarely merit attention. Personally, I think this a good MSU football team. It is flawed in areas, but so is 99% of all other teams in the nation.

 

[Aggie96]

Wait, what in your analysis leads you to believe that A&M should win this match up 7 out of 10 times? Sure, MSU has played a relatively weak schedule so far (although I suspect Tenn. will turn out to be average by the end of the year). A&M may well win, but I don't see how you think they are likely to win 7 out of 10 times based on anything you've posted. Plus, I think A&M has only beaten 2 teams with a winning record at this point also.

The difference to me is that we have played 4 teams with winning records, we have beaten 2 teams that are over .500 and we have lost to 2 teams that are over .500, both of which are top 5 defenses and we lost by a combined total of 8 points. Both games we let get away from us (UF by 3 and LSU by 5) against LSU we missed 7 points of kicks and lost by 5...

You guys asked why I think we are a better team? I think our offense is head an shoulders above anything you have seen all season and I don't think you are going to be able to shut it down. Slow it maybe, but be honest with yourselves, you think your defense is as good as Florida's or LSU's??? I don't and neither does anyone else. Yes they are good, but you are counting on a bunch of turnovers from us to make that happen. We have only had 2 games where the turnover bug hit us bad... in those 2 games we lost 11 of our 16 turnovers. I don't see that being an ongoing issue for us. Our defense is suspect at times in the secondary, but we make up for it in our ability to put pressure on the QB. The QB's and teams that have put the most points up on us have had mobile QB's that could elude the pass rush and buy time and make big throws. Our front 7 put a lot of pressure on QB's. Your QB Russell has a great arm, but that is it... He is like a statue back in the pocket and Damontre Moore and our LB's should have a bunch of big hits and sacks on him. Again, I don't think you have a bad team, I just think that given what I have seen from both teams this year A&M should win the game. I am not the only one here who believes this... evidently Vegas does too.. as far as Cadaverdog goes, when you want to have a real discussion let me know... you tell me why you are going to win this game and have a better team instead of your childish rants that add no value... You might not think LaTech is worth talking about, but the reality of it is they are and were a top 25 team when we beat them on the road... You guys have only played one top 25 team this year and they ran train on you all night long... tough words to hear, but true none the less...

 

[thunderclap]

Win.

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[Ishmael]

So, basically, you're putting a lot of stock in the fact that you've lost close games to better teams than we've beaten.

I don't disagree that we've only played one team in the top 25 (or one team in the top 1), and that we've gotten beaten badly by a team that's better than any team you've played, but I don't think that is a basis to judge how good or bad we are as a team.

Also, I don't disagree that A&M is slightly favored, or have a huge disagreement with that. My problem is your claim that A&M would win the 7 out of 10 games. That I don't see based on what we know so far (though this could change after another week or two).

 

[cofreb]

7 point favorites

win about 70% of the time.

ETA: here's a link.

 

[shotgunDawg]

The difference to me is that we have played 4 teams with winning records, we have beaten 2 teams that are over .500 and we have lost to 2 teams that are over .500, both of which are top 5 defenses and we lost by a combined total of 8 points. Both games we let get away from us (UF by 3 and LSU by 5) against LSU we missed 7 points of kicks and lost by 5...

You guys asked why I think we are a better team? I think our offense is head an shoulders above anything you have seen all season and I don't think you are going to be able to shut it down. Slow it maybe, but be honest with yourselves, you think your defense is as good as Florida's or LSU's I don't and neither does anyone else. Yes they are good, but you are counting on a bunch of turnovers from us to make that happen. We have only had 2 games where the turnover bug hit us bad... in those 2 games we lost 11 of our 16 turnovers. I don't see that being an ongoing issue for us. Our defense is suspect at times in the secondary, but we make up for it in our ability to put pressure on the QB. The QB's and teams that have put the most points up on us have had mobile QB's that could elude the pass rush and buy time and make big throws. Our front 7 put a lot of pressure on QB's. Your QB Russell has a great arm, but that is it... He is like a statue back in the pocket and Damontre Moore and our LB's should have a bunch of big hits and sacks on him. Again, I don't think you have a bad team, I just think that given what I have seen from both teams this year A&M should win the game. I am not the only one here who believes this... evidently Vegas does too.. as far as Cadaverdog goes, when you want to have a real discussion let me know... you tell me why you are going to win this game and have a better team instead of your childish rants that add no value... You might not think LaTech is worth talking about, but the reality of it is they are and were a top 25 team when we beat them on the road... You guys have only played one top 25 team this year and they ran train on you all night long... tough words to hear, but true none the less...

You do realize that LSU and Florida have bad offenses, right? That being said, you played both of them at home, and playing against poor offenses makes the game closer because they never score enough to blow you out. You haven't faced a QB all year that is close to the level of Russell, and you talk about this Alabamaesk pass rush of yours. Was that against OM, who has one of the worst offensive lines in the conference or Mettenberger who has the pocket instincts of a 4 year old?

Not saying you don't have a good pass rush, but lets just say that we've seen better. We also respect your offense, and there is no doubt that our defense is not as good as LSU or Florida, but this game is on the road for you and thats makes offensive execution tougher.

Personally, I think it will be a great game. I just see no evidence that you guys could beat us more than 5 out of 10 times. In fact I think we may win more than you out of 10 because your offensive success is based largely on the scrambling of Manziel and not actual offensive execution. Once teams adjust to Manziel, it seems as though he has less success. Whereas teams that actually execute and throw the ball efficiently would be much tougher to scheme against if we actually played 10 times in a row.

 

[shotgunDawg]

win about 70% of the time.

ETA: here's a link.

Not debating this, but they are 7 point favorites because of perception, not play on the field or players. Most people see that we got blown out last week and they blew someone out without ever considering the circumstances surrounding both of those games.

 

[NatchezReb18]

HUH?

You are a dumb17. Based on what?? Listen, you guys may run us out of the damn stadium, but until you beat us, there's no way you can make this statement. And for the love of God, quit pimping La Tech's offensive ranking....they have played a bunch of shitastic teams too. I'm telling you, you and your fan base better be careful taking so much away from beating the **** out of a 1-7 Auburn team and a terrible Arkansas team. There is no way in **** that I'm going to sit here and listen to your "we should win 7 out of 10" **** though. We are just as much, if not more, talented than you guys are as a whole. So take your cocky **** elsewhere.

Cadaver, don't get your panties in a wad. Isn't Texas A&M a 7 point favorite on the road? I think that most of the nation agrees with the A&M guy.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Nowhere does it say that the nation believes "A&M should win 7 out 10 times" vs us. That's what pissed me off. I never said we would win the game, in fact I predicted A&M to win....but for some random jackass Aggie to come over here acting like we are some pushover that they should beat 7 out of 10 times is just not true and is based on nothing. Until we play Saturday, nobody knows who the better team is.Period. If they beat our ***, I'll gladly admit that they could beat us 7 of 10 if it looks like they could, but to say that before the game is complete nonsense. And then for him to continue to harp on La Tech's offense like they are 17ing Oregon is absurd. An SEC defense shouldn't give up 57 points to a SunBelt school, period.

At the end of the day, nobody knows who the better team is until they play. A&M has won against the teams they are supposed to beat, as has MSU. Neither has lost to a team they should have beaten. The only comparable game has been against Auburn...both teams beat up on Auburn. A&M has a high powered offense and played Auburn after they were 1-6, so they beat them a little worse than MSU did. We played them when they had 1 loss and still had hope this season.

All I'm saying is there are no facts that anyone can spew to prove that "A&M should win 7 out of 10". And I am right, at least until this weekend.

 

[Aggie96]

Nowhere does it say that the nation believes "A&M should win 7 out 10 times" vs us. That's what pissed me off. I never said we would win the game, in fact I predicted A&M to win....but for some random jackass Aggie to come over here acting like we are some pushover that they should beat 7 out of 10 times is just not true and is based on nothing. Until we play Saturday, nobody knows who the better team is.Period. If they beat our ***, I'll gladly admit that they could beat us 7 of 10 if it looks like they could, but to say that before the game is complete nonsense. And then for him to continue to harp on La Tech's offense like they are 17ing Oregon is absurd. An SEC defense shouldn't give up 57 points to a SunBelt school, period.

At the end of the day, nobody knows who the better team is until they play. A&M has won against the teams they are supposed to beat, as has MSU. Neither has lost to a team they should have beaten. The only comparable game has been against Auburn...both teams beat up on Auburn. A&M has a high powered offense and played Auburn after they were 1-6, so they beat them a little worse than MSU did. We played them when they had 1 loss and still had hope this season.

All I'm saying is there are no facts that anyone can spew to prove that "A&M should win 7 out of 10". And I am right, at least until this weekend.

They aren't Oregon... they are one spot below them... oh and so according to you no where does it say we are supposed to win this game 7 out of 10 times I am not allowed to have that opinion... dude you need to not get your underoos in such a bunch.. it an opinion... if you don't like it fine, you can have yours and disagree with it, but this is a Forum for people to discuss their "opinions" with each other... do me a favor too, try not to get personal too calling me a "random jackass Aggie" or a dumb17 (whatever the hell that means) does nothing to strengthen your position... Stay classy buddy...

I think (based on the points I layed out already) that we are a better team... deal with it. If you think otherwise, then lay out an argurment... telling me I am wrong, (but saying you agree that you think we will win) but you will admit 7 out of 10 if it looks to you we can do it 7 out of 10 based on the one game is absurd... so what's the salt line here??? if we win by 10 does that mean you believe 5 out of 10?? or 14 means 6 out 0f 10? what's that magic number for you?? 21 is 7 out of 10??? What if we lose by 3 and it was on bad call? or what if we just lose by 3 and no bad call does that make a difference? does that mean that you guys could beat us only 4 out of 10? What ever makes you feel better man... how about this??? You are right... there is no way we could ever beat your team 7 out of 10 times... there now I agreed with you...

 

[Joe Schmedlap]

We will find out Saturday

I think State is pretty good. I "think" we eke out a victory on Saturday. If we do, that will be the best victory of the year thus far by our Dogs. I respect aTm, but I don't fear them. The Aggies have a special talent in Manziel who will be fun to watch for three more years. Their defense is suspect though, especially their secondary. They do have a very solid DE, so we had better get a good performance from our tackles. I have no doubt the Bulldogs will put points on the board. Lest people in the media forget, State has a darned good QB, too. We scored on UT pretty easily, and I think UT and TAMU's defenses are comparable. I think TAMU has a good offensive line and an explosive QB that can improvise and make big things happen with his arm and his feet. I think he will turn the ball over though, and that might be the difference. If State had the type of defense I am accustomed to seeing in Starkville, I'd be very confident in a Bulldog victory. Unfortunately State's D line and LB's are not quite up to par, so I see this game going either way. I wonder who will spy Manziel and if they can get the job done? I say the game is a toss up, and would be 10 out of 10 times.

I keep hearing national writers ( ie Mike Detielier sp?) on OOB this morning saying that MSU is just not that good. I've been a fan/ follower for a long time. I think we ARE pretty good. Maybe a little soft on defense, but not bad. Am I right or is the maroon Kool-Aid just too good?

 

[OleYeller]

I'll tell you this aggie, you come into our house and turn the ball over six times and the game won't even be close. You have one player on defense, that de. Other than that you've given up lots of points to everybody. Florida is not that good this year, and LSU even with a weak offense beat you. Your offense is good, I'll give you that, but you have a typical big12 defense. Our offense is better than LSU's. I expect y'all yo come out fired up, just like you did against ls, and then when the adrenalin wears off, we take over the game.

 

[OleYeller]

You've laid out some points as to why you should win, but not 7 out of 10.

 

[OleYeller]

Well that's probably true, but does that mean you will be a 7 point favorite every time we play?

 

[johnson86-1]

The difference to me is that we have played 4 teams with winning records, we have beaten 2 teams that are over .500 and we have lost to 2 teams that are over .500, both of which are top 5 defenses and we lost by a combined total of 8 points. Both games we let get away from us (UF by 3 and LSU by 5) against LSU we missed 7 points of kicks and lost by 5...

You guys asked why I think we are a better team? I think our offense is head an shoulders above anything you have seen all season and I don't think you are going to be able to shut it down. Slow it maybe, but be honest with yourselves, you think your defense is as good as Florida's or LSU's I don't and neither does anyone else. Yes they are good, but you are counting on a bunch of turnovers from us to make that happen. We have only had 2 games where the turnover bug hit us bad... in those 2 games we lost 11 of our 16 turnovers. I don't see that being an ongoing issue for us. Our defense is suspect at times in the secondary, but we make up for it in our ability to put pressure on the QB. The QB's and teams that have put the most points up on us have had mobile QB's that could elude the pass rush and buy time and make big throws. Our front 7 put a lot of pressure on QB's. Your QB Russell has a great arm, but that is it... He is like a statue back in the pocket and Damontre Moore and our LB's should have a bunch of big hits and sacks on him. Again, I don't think you have a bad team, I just think that given what I have seen from both teams this year A&M should win the game. I am not the only one here who believes this... evidently Vegas does too.. as far as Cadaverdog goes, when you want to have a real discussion let me know... you tell me why you are going to win this game and have a better team instead of your childish rants that add no value... You might not think LaTech is worth talking about, but the reality of it is they are and were a top 25 team when we beat them on the road... You guys have only played one top 25 team this year and they ran train on you all night long... tough words to hear, but true none the less...

So you think you'll win b/c you did almost as good against LSU as Auburn did???

 

[CadaverDawg]

I laid out my argument too, but you were too angry that I called you a dumbf*ck to read it. I said that you guys have beaten the teams that you were supposed to beat, and lost to the teams you were supposed to lose to. We have done the same exact thing, so to say one team is clearly better is pointless, because none of the facts show it. And my "opinion" is that for someone to say "we should win 7 out of 10 times" is ridiculous because you are basing it on one common opponent and a bunch of "I thinks". Well I think you make a terrible argument.

If that's your opinion that's fine, but my opinion is that I strongly disagree. And in my opinion, you took way too much out of beating a ****** Auburn and us getting beaten by the #1 team in the country. I would wish you good luck, but I wouldn't mean it.

 

[RocketDawg]

Cadaver has some good points, just an excitable way of expressing them. I don't know if you're better or not. We'll find out Saturday. And from here to eternity, we'll play each other every year, so we'll get to see who's better every year. You guys played LSU really well (I listened to it on Sirius XM on the way to our game) until they figured out some of your schemes. They apparently have no offense, but the defense eventually buckled down. And you did a good job with Florida, but they've improved drastically as the season has progressed. Cadaver's right about Auburn ... they were terrible but didn't know it when we played them; but they did know it when A&M played them and the turmoil with the fans and coaches has increased almost exponentially since we played. Arkansas will be pretty much the opposite, except that they had a good idea they sucked when they played you; it remains to be seen how they do against us, but Wilson will be more healthy by then.

So, who's best ... MSU or A&M? I don't know, but readily admit that you've played the toughest schedule thus far, at least theoretically. We'll find out who's best Saturday. Should be a good game, unless we let Alabama beat us twice. That loss had to be a big letdown.

 

[FlabLoser]

aTm's offense isn't a great deal better than Tennessee's offense and we beat them.

If you think we've not had success against an offense in the same stratosphere as your's, you are misinformed.

 

[johnson86-1]

They aren't Oregon... they are one spot below them...

They're not one spot below Oregon on any list that matters.

The reality is your best win is either Ole Miss by 3 or la tech by 2. La Tech is probably the better team of those two, but shreveport should have been reasonably close to a home environment for y'all, where as Ole Miss was on the road and beating anybody on the road when you cough it up 6(?) times is tough to do.

MSU's best win is against UT at home. The wins are pretty comparable. But the way State's schedule has set up, there's just not a lot to go on.

It's worrisome that State didn't show up at Bama, but I'm not sure you can read too much into it. They psyched themselves out and played like ****. It sucks, but it's not that uncommon to do that on the road against a heavily favored team.

This should be a good game barring either team coming out and crapping the bed with stupid mistakes that result in easy points early in the game. The reason A&M is favored by 7 is that people don't pay attention, there's not that much information out there on state anyway, and the default position is to assume State is terrible.

 

[engie]

There is one "weakness" in this game... Aggie pass defense. We are going to exploit it in a big way.

PS: Our "statue" has been sacked less than half as many times as Manziel... 7 vs 16. We can take a single dominant pass rusher right out of games, exactly how we did Corey Lemonier...

 

[chew1095]

Not this **** again. Please get the 17 out of here.

 

[CadaverDawg]

I do get a little excited and passionate about the Dawgs, Rocket...my apologies. Not to the aggie though.

Cadaver has some good points, just an excitable way of expressing them. I don't know if you're better or not. We'll find out Saturday. And from here to eternity, we'll play each other every year, so we'll get to see who's better every year. You guys played LSU really well (I listened to it on Sirius XM on the way to our game) until they figured out some of your schemes. They apparently have no offense, but the defense eventually buckled down. And you did a good job with Florida, but they've improved drastically as the season has progressed. Cadaver's right about Auburn ... they were terrible but didn't know it when we played them; but they did know it when A&M played them and the turmoil with the fans and coaches has increased almost exponentially since we played. Arkansas will be pretty much the opposite, except that they had a good idea they sucked when they played you; it remains to be seen how they do against us, but Wilson will be more healthy by then.

So, who's best ... MSU or A&M? I don't know, but readily admit that you've played the toughest schedule thus far, at least theoretically. We'll find out who's best Saturday. Should be a good game, unless we let Alabama beat us twice. That loss had to be a big letdown.

 

[Aggie96]

I laid out my argument too, but you were too angry that I called you a dumbf*ck to read it. I said that you guys have beaten the teams that you were supposed to beat, and lost to the teams you were supposed to lose to. We have done the same exact thing, so to say one team is clearly better is pointless, because none of the facts show it. And my "opinion" is that for someone to say "we should win 7 out of 10 times" is ridiculous because you are basing it on one common opponent and a bunch of "I thinks". Well I think you make a terrible argument.

If that's your opinion that's fine, but my opinion is that I strongly disagree. And in my opinion, you took way too much out of beating a ****** Auburn and us getting beaten by the #1 team in the country. I would wish you good luck, but I wouldn't mean it.

It was not based on one common opponent... no where in any of my posts have I said since you only beat Auby by xxx and we beat them by yyy we are better... you are flat out imagining stuff at this point... you haven't laid out any argument other than name calling like a little school girl... if you conside "you beat who you were supposed to and so did we" as an argument, then I would hate to have you as a lawyer... make your little cute comments, but you are sadly mistaken if you think I am "angry because you called me a dumbf*ck"... I have been called worse by better people I can assure you of that... I could give 2 ***** about what you think of me.

For those of you engaging in meaningful conversation, thanks... I didn't come here to talk trash, I came to talk football. I have not said anywhere that I think MSU is a bad team, I just think we are a better team. If 7 out of 10 makes no sense then fine... I say we win 1 out of 1 this weekend and the score will be 42-28 if I had a prediction...

Good Luck Saturday hope all of the players on both teams make it through injury free

 

[Aggie96]

I'll tell you this aggie, you come into our house and turn the ball over six times and the game won't even be close. You have one player on defense, that de. Other than that you've given up lots of points to everybody. Florida is not that good this year, and LSU even with a weak offense beat you. Your offense is good, I'll give you that, but you have a typical big12 defense. Our offense is better than LSU's. I expect y'all yo come out fired up, just like you did against ls, and then when the adrenalin wears off, we take over the game.

I agree 100% about the 6 turnovers... no way we win if we turn over the ball that many times... Offense is not the typical Big XII-2-2+1+1 offense though... it might appear that way because of the amount of points we have put up, but most of those teams don't run the hurry up short passes to set up the run and long passes... Our defense does have a few young guys in our secondary, but to say we only have 1 guy on that side of the ball is not very accurate. Spencer Nealy is a solid DT and Porter and Stewart are solid LBers... I also agree that your offense is better than LSU's I think they are a lot better than theirs... I don't know if I think it is better than some of the others that we have faced, but I don't see you guys putting up more than 30 offensive points on us. Might sneak a pick 6 on us, but all in all I think the game will be good...