Arkansas 0-5 to start SEC play…

[dawgstudent]

I was curious of Calipari’s buyout after signing a 5 year/$37.5 million deal.

Arkansas would owe the coach 75 percent of the remaining compensation of the deal.

What made him successful was he bought into one and done. Once other schools started doing it - his advantage was lost. And now with NIL - it’s even more lost.

 

[patdog]

It’s rarely a good decision to hire a coach his former school is glad to get rid of. Kentucky got a huge break not having to pay that buyout.

 

[DoomSlayer]

He’s supposed to have a top 5 class next year with a couple of potential NBA lottery picks in there. He’s not going anywhere until that class gets on campus and he gets a chance to coach them. I think his demise is greatly exaggerated and he will end up doing good there.

 

[POTUS]

He still has a lot of cache with guys that these kids worship and I’m willing to bet Arky will get him more than competitive NIL. But can he coach them? I feel like he’s not a heavyweight with X’s and O’s.

 

[anon1758050382]

We go to Fayetteville on the last day of the regular season. It would be nice to go in there with 9+ SEC wins and get a road win.

 

[BoDawg.sixpack]

I was curious of Calipari’s buyout after signing a 5 year/$37.5 million deal.

Arkansas would owe the coach 75 percent of the remaining compensation of the deal.

What made him successful was he bought into one and done. Once other schools started doing it - his advantage was lost. And now with NIL - it’s even more lost.

The Walton Family is worth over $400 billion collectively. I would guess buyouts are mostly a formality for the University of Arkansas.

 

[WilCoDawg]

Will they be getting kicked out of the SEC too?***

 

[patdog]

He’s supposed to have a top 5 class next year with a couple of potential NBA lottery picks in there. He’s not going anywhere until that class gets on campus and he gets a chance to coach them. I think his demise is greatly exaggerated and he will end up doing good there.

And he'll crash out in the 2nd round of the NCAA tournament. 1 NCAA win since 2019.

 

[17itdawg]

Honestly I think both sides of this are right. Cal hasn't adjusted so well with the changes. Kentucky people were giddy to get rid of him. I still think he has some success at Arkansas, but I don't think it'll be a national title. Probably a couple of sweet sixteens, sec titles(both tourney and regular season), and maybe a final four. If I were an Arkansas fan I would have no confidence in Cal during the tournament based on his more recent ncaa tourney results.

 

[GoDawgz52]

Cal at Arkansas 0-5......

 

[OG Goat Holder]

I think he'll be fine, unless his age catches up with him. He was elite at UMass under the old, old system. Elite at Memphis and Kentucky once he adapted to the new one and done system. Now under NIL, he'll probably adapt again unless he just gets sick of it, which doesn't appear to be the case since he took another job.

Definitely a weird fit at Arkansas, though.

 

[aTotal360]

I think he'll be fine, unless his age catches up with him. He was elite at UMass under the old, old system. Elite at Memphis and Kentucky once he adapted to the new one and done system. Now under NIL, he'll probably adapt again unless he just gets sick of it, which doesn't appear to be the case since he took another job.

Definitely a weird fit at Arkansas, though.

I think he was elite when he could brazenly outbid everyone else. All his previous stops are places where alumni would gladly get their hands dirty. Now that NIL exists, he doesn't have that edge.

 

[FormerBully]

Calipari rose to power buy paying players. The guy was a great recruiter, but he also did a lot of shady things. Look at his time and UMASS and Memphis. With NIL is now legal for everyone to pay to play. Calipari just cannot keep up. Also, the SEC was in a different spot during his time in Kentucky. Everyone has a top coach now and he is getting exposed. He has never been x and o guy, but a top recruiter. You need both in the SEC today.

 

[8dog]

Calipari rose to power buy paying players. The guy was a great recruiter, but he also did a lot of shady things. Look at his time and UMASS and Memphis. With NIL is now legal for everyone to pay to play. Calipari just cannot keep up. Also, the SEC was in a different spot during his time in Kentucky. Everyone has a top coach now and he is getting exposed. He has never been x and o guy, but a top recruiter. You need both in the SEC today.

Worldwide Wes was a huge part of his success. Not sure if that’s still a thing.

 

[mstateglfr]

Worldwide Wes was a huge part of his success. Not sure if that’s still a thing.

Ha, beat me to posting a comment about Wes.

Wes took a job with the Knicks in 2020. The following 4 seasons, Calipari's teams won a combined 63.4% of games, which is well below his average at UMASS, Memphis, or UK.
Hell, his win % at UK before Wes took the Knicks job was 81.1%.

Winning 81.1% of games for 11 seasons and then winning 63.4% of games for 4 seasons(while not making it past the first weekend of the NCAA Tournament) is a wild change.


Coincidence?
Correlation v Causation?

 

[POTUS]

It is humorous to observe these coaches struggle to come to grips with the fact that everyone can buy players now. Saban was smart to eject when he did. No one is going to shed a tear for Cal, Freeze, or any of these other coaches who were obviously using the old system to their advantage.

 

[johnson86-1]

Honestly I think both sides of this are right. Cal hasn't adjusted so well with the changes. Kentucky people were giddy to get rid of him. I still think he has some success at Arkansas, but I don't think it'll be a national title. Probably a couple of sweet sixteens, sec titles(both tourney and regular season), and maybe a final four. If I were an Arkansas fan I would have no confidence in Cal during the tournament based on his more recent ncaa tourney results.

That is wildly more optimistic for his success than I would be. I think he's going to be fine but nothing like he was.

He's not a terrible coach. Part of his simplicity on x's and o's was that he was getting a lot of one and done players. Not going to take a lot of freshman and have them run anything sophisticated. But he's also not a great coach. He's going to get good players and consistently make the tournament, but probably not consistently win in the tournament. I don't think he'll win the SEC at Arkansas. Just too much competition in the SEC now. I don't think he'll get a team past the Sweet 16, but that's obviously a lot more luck driven.

 

[NWADawg]

He’s supposed to have a top 5 class next year with a couple of potential NBA lottery picks in there. He’s not going anywhere until that class gets on campus and he gets a chance to coach them. I think his demise is greatly exaggerated and he will end up doing good there.

 

[NWADawg]

He’s supposed to have a top 5 class next year with a couple of potential NBA lottery picks in there. He’s not going anywhere until that class gets on campus and he gets a chance to coach them. I think his demise is greatly exaggerated and he will end up doing good there.

I believe John Tyson promised 6 million/year NIL in addition to all the contract money he gave to get Cal. With this and the other money available, UPig should be able to get players.

 

[MSUDC11-2.0]

I think he'll be fine, unless his age catches up with him. He was elite at UMass under the old, old system. Elite at Memphis and Kentucky once he adapted to the new one and done system. Now under NIL, he'll probably adapt again unless he just gets sick of it, which doesn't appear to be the case since he took another job.

Definitely a weird fit at Arkansas, though.

Problem with his Kentucky run is he peaked early, but did not make the Final Four again after 2015. In fact they haven’t even made the Sweet 16 in 6 years. Which is pretty much the longest Sweet 16 drought ever at UK.

 

[17itdawg]

That is wildly more optimistic for his success than I would be. I think he's going to be fine but nothing like he was.

He's not a terrible coach. Part of his simplicity on x's and o's was that he was getting a lot of one and done players. Not going to take a lot of freshman and have them run anything sophisticated. But he's also not a great coach. He's going to get good players and consistently make the tournament, but probably not consistently win in the tournament. I don't think he'll win the SEC at Arkansas. Just too much competition in the SEC now. I don't think he'll get a team past the Sweet 16, but that's obviously a lot more luck driven.

I think he'll have that success because he will recruit at a high level in the next year or two.

 

[johnson86-1]

I think he'll have that success because he will recruit at a high level in the next year or two.

I think he's going to recruit at a high level, but he's recruited at a high level for the past decade and not had success like that.

I also think the recruits that he's had cachet with aren't as important as they used to be. You're going to have a lot more players that are marginal NBA prospects but good college players stick around for four or even five years because the money they can get in college is too good to leave. Even when you have players that are projected to be second year draft picks and have promises they'll get signed to a two year deal, that deal will likely still be there in a year after they've banked a good paycheck in college. I think teams with a couple of players like that are going to outshine the traditional Cal team that's probably going to have more ability but be relatively inexperienced.

 

[Fishsqeezer]

He is a mediocre coach even with elite talent

 

[onewoof]

Word is getting out to the recruits and parents, Cal will sell you out in a second to protect his name. Already doing it with his team currently. He's lost the players just like the UCLA coach. They don't respect him in the slightest.

 

[mstateglfr]

He is a mediocre coach even with elite talent

Well he has definitley managed to have a legendary amount of success as a mediocre coach.

 

[Mr. Cook]

I think he'll have that success because he will recruit at a high level in the next year or two.

Agreed.

Too early to call this season as:

1) Only 5 games in the conference slate so far

2) 3 of those games were on the road

3) The home losses against #8 FLA and #23 OM

 

[jethreauxdawg]

Word is getting out to the recruits and parents, Cal will sell you out in a second to protect his name. Already doing it with his team currently. He's lost the players just like the UCLA coach. They don't respect him in the slightest.

You may be right, but in the past, he has always been able to manage the egos of pre-Madonnas and keep the locker room in line and get them to play together.