As a State fan, you should be for this.
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24 I think is the number where we are similar to all the other NCAA divisions/sports. Around 19-20%.
Id be happy with 16. I think that’s minimum.
24 is too complicated for figuring out who gets byes. I don't like the byes period. Everybody plays week 1. That is why I like 16.
4, 8, 16,32 are the only combinations that give fair chances to every team and 32 is way too many.
4, 8, 16,32 are the only combinations that give fair chances to every team and 32 is way too many.
I like it. 32 does feel big but 16 is too small to give us a realistic shot more than once every 20 years. I can live with something in the 20s
I don’t see the conference championship games going anywhere. SEC & Big 10 make more from them than they would from a couple of 1st round playoff games. They’ll want (abc get) the expanded playoffs with the conference championship games. If anybody thinks there’s a limit to their greed, they’re just mistaken.
I want to see everyone in it. Play 10 games to determine seeding then single elimination the rest of the way. It would create a lot more interest nationwide.
I’m for:
- 24-team CFP (byes for top 8 teams)
- conference champ auto bids
- selection and seeding based on strength of record
Well, except for the 10 games & the first few rounds of blowouts that are over by the end of the 1st quarter.
I think this would have been the 28 teams selected in 2025, assuming I got all of the tiebreakers correct:
UNLV actually gets the second at-large spot despite not being a G5 conference champion. Also, I'm going with the CFP rankings after the regular season and before the CCGs, since the article talks about those maybe going away.
It should probably be 6-6-4-4-2-6 instead of 7-7-5-5-2-2, although that only really changes a couple of teams around. Or even let every G5 conference have 1 autobid.
UNLV actually gets the second at-large spot despite not being a G5 conference champion. Also, I'm going with the CFP rankings after the regular season and before the CCGs, since the article talks about those maybe going away.
It should probably be 6-6-4-4-2-6 instead of 7-7-5-5-2-2, although that only really changes a couple of teams around. Or even let every G5 conference have 1 autobid.
1 | Oregon | 12-0 | Big Ten | 1 |
2 | Texas | 11-1 | SEC | 1 |
3 | Penn State | 11-1 | Big Ten | 2 |
4 | Notre Dame | 11-1 | at large | 1 |
5 | Georgia | 10-2 | SEC | 2 |
6 | Ohio State | 10-2 | Big Ten | 4 |
7 | Tennessee | 10-2 | SEC | 3 |
8 | SMU | 11-1 | ACC | 1 |
9 | Indiana | 11-1 | Big Ten | 3 |
10 | Boise State | 11-1 | G5 | 1 |
11 | Alabama | 9-3 | SEC | 4 |
12 | Miami (FL) | 10-2 | ACC | 3 |
13 | Ole Miss | 9-3 | SEC | 5 |
14 | South Carolina | 9-3 | SEC | 6 |
15 | Arizona State | 10-2 | Big 12 | 1 |
16 | Iowa State | 10-2 | Big 12 | 2 |
17 | Clemson | 9-3 | ACC | 2 |
18 | BYU | 10-2 | Big 12 | 3 |
19 | Missouri | 9-3 | SEC | 7 |
20 | UNLV | 10-2 | G5 | 5 |
21 | Illinois | 9-3 | Big Ten | 5 |
22 | Syracuse | 9-3 | ACC | 4 |
23 | Colorado | 9-3 | Big 12 | 4 |
24 | Army | 10-1 | G5 | 2 |
25 | Duke | 9-3 | ACC | 5 |
26 | Baylor | 8-4 | Big 12 | 5 |
27 | Iowa | 8-4 | Big Ten | 6 |
28 | Michigan | 7-5 | Big Ten | 7 |
I don’t like every conference champ. Need to limit that, which gives incentive to G5 to play a harder schedule. And it also would prevent deserving P4 teams out. That already happens too much, don’t want that amplifying.
Remember when USM thought they were better than us because they went 10-2 and we were 6-6. And they lost to the same UAB team we blew out on the road.
I mean, is a 7-5 Michigan team really more deserving than a 10-3 Marshall team that won its conference?
The basketball tournament could drop autobids and get a few "better" teams for the 14-16 seeds, but do we really want that?
Stick in the mud here. That sounds a lot like it played out when there were just 4 in. A blowout and a somewhat decent game then the championship. Rarely more than 3 have a chance in hell.
How are the athletes going to have time for their semester exams with all these extra games?
Lol, remember when that concerned people?
Lol, remember when that concerned people?
Wouldn’t be 7-5. 9-3 teams at best. Like Ole Miss last year. MAYBE a strong 8-4 in a 24-teamer.
Come on man, don’t be dumb in the name of making a point. Most years a Marshall team like that gets in anyway.
The article says that the Big Ten would have 7 automatic bids. 7-5 Michigan finished 7th in the Big Ten last year.
That's the format we're debating. I love a 32-team format with autobids for every conference champion. If we don't do automatic bids, 10-3 Marshall is out and 7-5 Michigan is in.
It was a short couple years ago when people on here were passionatelybarguing against expanding to 8 teams or 12 teams.
And if you mentioned 16 team playoffs...well wow you were lit up.
Interesting how views have largely changed since then, due to all the CFB chaos.
And if you mentioned 16 team playoffs...well wow you were lit up.
Interesting how views have largely changed since then, due to all the CFB chaos.
I think the fall from grace of the bowl games has softened everyone's opposition to a big playoff.
Imagine if bowls were completely replaced by a 32-team playoff. Then you get 31 games with full rosters with every single player desperately wanting to win. Sure, there would be some blowouts (like in any sport), but it's 31 real postseason games that matter.
Compare that to 35 bowl games, most of which are in random far-off neutral stadiums at 25% capacity, where both teams lose money going and most of the good players opt out, a lot don't come because they've already transferred, and the ones who are there still don't really care. There's just not much to preserve anymore for most of the bowl games.
I'll take the 32-team playoff. If the "Sugar Bowl," "Peach Bowl," etc., want to keep existing, they can move to August.
Yeah the bowl system sucks. ESPN owns half of them for December programming reasons.
Lets look at the merits of 24-28-32
24 - Basically get the top 25 every year. 8 teams get byes.
28 - Same as above, but only 4 teams get byes
32 - This only happens if all conference champs get in
I like the idea of the premier bowl games moving to Week 1, but I think the NY6 will still get the quarterfinals and semifinals in any CFP model. If you go 32, with all conference champs I think the bottom 4 teams need to be "regionalized" rather than seeded.
So last year, your top 4 seeds would have been Oregon, Texas, Penn State and Notre Dame
The bottom 4 conference champs (with no conference championship game) were , Ohio (MAC), Army (American), Jacksonville State (C-USA), Marshall (Sun Belt)
Send Ohio to Notre Dame, Army to Penn State, Marshall to Oregon and Jax State to Texas
Boise State would have been seeded as the top G5 champion
Lets look at the merits of 24-28-32
24 - Basically get the top 25 every year. 8 teams get byes.
28 - Same as above, but only 4 teams get byes
32 - This only happens if all conference champs get in
I like the idea of the premier bowl games moving to Week 1, but I think the NY6 will still get the quarterfinals and semifinals in any CFP model. If you go 32, with all conference champs I think the bottom 4 teams need to be "regionalized" rather than seeded.
So last year, your top 4 seeds would have been Oregon, Texas, Penn State and Notre Dame
The bottom 4 conference champs (with no conference championship game) were , Ohio (MAC), Army (American), Jacksonville State (C-USA), Marshall (Sun Belt)
Send Ohio to Notre Dame, Army to Penn State, Marshall to Oregon and Jax State to Texas
Boise State would have been seeded as the top G5 champion
You can have both. It’s more football on TV, oh how terrible.**
24 or 32 team playoff and then a smattering of bowl games for the teams that don’t make the playoff. Sort of like the NIT. Gauge the interest and if it doesn’t work just scrap the bowls. This isn’t complicated.
I still think 8 is the right number. But I expect we’ll be at 32 within a decade. Probably sooner.
I think this is what will happen. ESPN still wants cheap programming weeknights in mid to late December. And schools like LA Tech & Akron will still want the exposure.
You "can" have both, but nobody cares about the bowl games anymore, least of all the players.
At some point (probably pretty soon) schools are going to say "why are we losing lots of money to go play an exhibition game without half or roster or 90% of our regular fans?" At least with a 32-team playoff, a bunch of teams and fanbases get to participate in the postseason.
That's fine with me, let every team who doesn't make the playoffs schedule a 13th game if they want, regardless of their record.
I predict that schools like Akron and Louisiana Tech will decide they don't want to lose a lot of money playing a meaningless exhibition game at a neutral site far away from either school, without half of their starters. But if they are willing to do it, more power to them.
And that’s why I said if it doesn’t work, just scrap it. ESPN would love to keep going with these bowl games because the ratings for them are much better than anything else they could put in that timeslot for that time of year. Until the schools stop taking the invitations they’ll continue in some form.
Expansion was always inevitable. The public just has to digest things incrementally. 4-, 12-, 16- and beyond.
I was in favor of 16 from the jump. Now I would be in favor of even more.
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The other cool thing about 24: The top 16 teams could host a CFP game.
9-16 host round one
1-8 host round two after receiving a first round bye
It’s weird that the current system has the 8-seed hosting a game while the 1-seed doesn’t get that opportunity (because round two is at a neutral site).
College football is all about on-campus atmosphere. The best teams should be hosting CFP games.
Playoffs should be on campus at least through the quarterfinals. Really the semifinals should be on campus too. Bid out the championship game like the nfl does the Super Bowl. The big “traditional” bowl games can move to Labor Day weekend.
I like that too, everyone plays every week, injuries and wear and tear do matter. The top seeds play the lowest seeds, that should be their benefit.
Fair enough, but if you map my format to last season, 21 of the 24 teams would have been top-25 teams. Finishing in the top 20 or so isn’t asking a lot of Power 4 teams.
The more the merrier. Football is America's sport now, like it or not, so the more games and the more teams involved the better imo.
24 teams
Top 6 SEC
Top 6 B1G
Top 2 ACC
Top 2 B12
Top G5 Champion
7 At larges
Undefeated makes you AQ for At large if you didn't get one of the other 17 spots
If you don't lose a game all year then you are the national champion and there should only be a maximum of one team that can say that in a year.
I'll never understand why "sports fans" want less sports. I don't run into many hunters who want less hunting season.
Who wants less CFB, especially less CFB playoffs games?
The first round (Thursday/Friday) of the NCAA Tourney is the best event in all of sports, I want even more games that first weekend.
Who wants less CFB, especially less CFB playoffs games?
The first round (Thursday/Friday) of the NCAA Tourney is the best event in all of sports, I want even more games that first weekend.
Exactly. Expand the playoffs and keep the lower tier bowl games. It’s more football to watch.