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SKYHAWKBALL

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So what happens when people “don’t” have to remote work anymore? Program dead? Never going back to normal commuting to work?

Sounds like a bandaid and a way to bring more libtards to these areas and into the state.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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So what happens when people “don’t” have to remote work anymore? Program dead? Never going back to normal commuting to work?

Sounds like a bandaid and a way to bring more libtards to these areas and into the state.
Many companies, including mine, will allow long term telecommuting irrespective of the current conditions.
 

dave

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So what happens when people “don’t” have to remote work anymore? Program dead? Never going back to normal commuting to work?

Sounds like a bandaid and a way to bring more libtards to these areas and into the state.
A lot of engineering companies are putting certain staff working at home for good. They will utilize smaller office space and shared desk areas when workers need to come to work.
 

Pospecteer

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I think we've discussed this before, but commercial real estate is going to take a beating.

In Morgantown, there is an office space shortage. It will be interesting to see how WVU handles this. WVU is trying to offer remote opportunities where they can. If they hire someone for a remote position, I wonder if they will get the money if they decide to move to Morgantown? what if you live in Morgantown and get a remote job based in NYC, will that qualify?
 

bornaneer

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I think we've discussed this before, but commercial real estate is going to take a beating.
But...residental real estate in these areas will be booming as well as business real estate as more local business will be need based on consumer demand.....A no-brainer.
 

bornaneer

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No doubt. Not to mention urban residential real estate.
Good....urban areas are over-crowded and it will certainly help with the climate by keeping vehicles off the roads and think of the energy savings with all those office buildings going dark...a big win-win for the environment.
 

WVUCOOPER

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Good....urban areas are over-crowded and it will certainly help with the climate by keeping vehicles off the roads and think of the energy savings with all those office buildings going dark...a big win-win for the environment.
Agree. There will be some short term, temporary shocks that will cause real harm to people, but overall this will be a net good.
 

bornaneer

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My son-in-law used to commute to the Pentagon every day.......now he rarely goes in.
Here in Charles Town...... American Public Universities built the biggest office building in town as well as buying many other local building.....now they are all practically dormant.
 

NYC_Eer

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I think we've discussed this before, but commercial real estate is going to take a beating.
I have a couple of friends that are commercial real estate brokers in NYC, and they said there is no way the market comes back for that in NYC or anywhere else really. They are getting paid bonuses now to renew leases even if someone downsizes. Once they go through all their lease renewals, they may need to look for another line of work.

Most tech companies have already said they are going 100% virtual. Although, tech companies due to the nature of the work are a bit different, but even my lawyer friends are saying they aren't going back full time. One said he'll probably need to go in 1-2 days per week, and even when he does they are using a "hoteling" model, which means they won't even have a dedicated desk let alone an office.

Another last night said since he's a partner, all he has to do is be able to go into NYC to entertain clients...not even to "work". So, he can move farther away and just grab a hotel room on the nights he's in town and it'll save the firm money.

My entire office team is now remote. All interviews are doing via Google Meet, and all paperwork is done via Docusign. I thought not interviewing people face-to-face would lead to worse hires, but there hasn't been any drop off in quality of hire and the efficiency has increased. I was going to double my office space and was about to sign the lease, until the **** hit the fan. Now I'm looking to downsize. I don't even need what I have regardless how many people we hire.

Commercial real estate is going to take a hit, but companies are going to save a **** ton of money on rent.
 

bamaEER

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I have a couple of friends that are commercial real estate brokers in NYC, and they said there is no way the market comes back for that in NYC or anywhere else really. They are getting paid bonuses now to renew leases even if someone downsizes. Once they go through all their lease renewals, they may need to look for another line of work.

Most tech companies have already said they are going 100% virtual. Although, tech companies due to the nature of the work are a bit different, but even my lawyer friends are saying they aren't going back full time. One said he'll probably need to go in 1-2 days per week, and even when he does they are using a "hoteling" model, which means they won't even have a dedicated desk let alone an office.

Another last night said since he's a partner, all he has to do is be able to go into NYC to entertain clients...not even to "work". So, he can move farther away and just grab a hotel room on the nights he's in town and it'll save the firm money.

My entire office team is now remote. All interviews are doing via Google Meet, and all paperwork is done via Docusign. I thought not interviewing people face-to-face would lead to worse hires, but there hasn't been any drop off in quality of hire and the efficiency has increased. I was going to double my office space and was about to sign the lease, until the **** hit the fan. Now I'm looking to downsize. I don't even need what I have regardless how many people we hire.

Commercial real estate is going to take a hit, but companies are going to save a **** ton of money on rent.
I live 4 hours from NYC and Boston and home real estate sales in my area are batshit crazy right now with those two urban centers fleeing.
 

WVUCOOPER

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I live 4 hours from NYC and Boston and home real estate sales in my area are batshit crazy right now with those two urban centers fleeing.
I live 8.5 and 12 hours away from NYC and Boston and real estate is batshit crazy. Been trying to get a beach home and they don't stay on the GD market long enough to even schedule a viewing. Money is free out there.
 

dave

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Good....urban areas are over-crowded and it will certainly help with the climate by keeping vehicles off the roads and think of the energy savings with all those office buildings going dark...a big win-win for the environment.
And all those service people who work security, janitorial and maintanance in those buildings will lose their jobs. That will be a lot of lower middle class workers displaced.
 

dave

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Yea, personal real estate is going crazy right now.
3 homes in my neighborhood went on the market since Jan. 2 sold in 1 day. The 3rd took a whole week because it was for sale by owner and his listing took a little longer to circulate without a realtor.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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3 homes in my neighborhood went on the market since Jan. 2 sold in 1 day. The 3rd took a whole week because it was for sale by owner and his listing took a little longer to circulate without a realtor.
My wife and I were discussing selling ours, but the problem then becomes buying in the same crazy market.
 

dave

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My wife and I were discussing selling ours, but the problem then becomes buying in the same crazy market.
It would be a good time to be a DIY flipper. I would do it if I had the time to put into it.
 

bamaEER

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My wife and I were discussing selling ours, but the problem then becomes buying in the same crazy market.
Bigtime. We’re retiring in 5 years and hoping dust settles by then. But we are zillowing homes in potential towns and it’s unnerving. I’ll see a house on Zillow, bookmark it, try to pull it up an hour later for my wife and poof,it’s gone.
 

Mntneer

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Bigtime. We’re retiring in 5 years and hoping dust settles by then. But we are zillowing homes in potential towns and it’s unnerving. I’ll see a house on Zillow, bookmark it, try to pull it up an hour later for my wife and poof,it’s gone.

Step-Daughter in Florida gave up on finding a place. Cash offers are overwhelming the market down there and they can't compete as a young couple.

I've told them to keep renting and wait until the next bubble hits the market down there. Either that or give up wanting to find a place in Jupiter area start looking more inland.
 

Darth_VadEER

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So what happens when people “don’t” have to remote work anymore? Program dead? Never going back to normal commuting to work?

Sounds like a bandaid and a way to bring more libtards to these areas and into the state.

The feds should be transitioning to remote jobs and offer incentives for folks to live in certain distressed zones, WV for example.

Same for govt contractors. The Fed govt sucked people into Dc, VA, MD for 3 decades for jobs...these can be done remote in many cases.
 

NYC_Eer

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I live 4 hours from NYC and Boston and home real estate sales in my area are batshit crazy right now with those two urban centers fleeing.
It all depends on what you're talking about. Those moving from Brooklyn and Manhattan aren't all moving that far away. Some are moving to NC, FL, etc, but a lot are moving 10 miles away to Westchester, Long Island, etc. They want a yard, but still need to get into the city a couple of days a week and still want access to events in the city.

Real estate in my town in crazy. My friend put his house on the market just to see what happened. He put it on for $1.5M. He got multiple offers. He didn't even show the house. All the offers were sight unseen just from pics online. Ended up selling it for $1.7M in one week. If your house is above $2M then it may sit for a few weeks, but its still selling faster than it was a year ago. If its less than $2M then you're probably getting multiple offers.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Homes are selling with in a couple days in my area (western ny). I was told there are currently more Real Estate agents in America than homes for sale right now.

I was thinking of adding a deck to my sunroom and saw current lumber prices, my jaw dropped...new home construction must be slow?
 
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Darth_VadEER

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It all depends on what you're talking about. Those moving from Brooklyn and Manhattan aren't all moving that far away. Some are moving to NC, FL, etc, but a lot are moving 10 miles away to Westchester, Long Island, etc. They want a yard, but still need to get into the city a couple of days a week and still want access to events in the city.

Real estate in my town in crazy. My friend put his house on the market just to see what happened. He put it on for $1.5M. He got multiple offers. He didn't even show the house. All the offers were sight unseen just from pics online. Ended up selling it for $1.7M in one week. If your house is above $2M then it may sit for a few weeks, but its still selling faster than it was a year ago. If its less than $2M then you're probably getting multiple offers.

I'm seeing this right now with my younger cousins and my wife's younger cousins...they all wanted the bigger city life, but living in a small apartment with everything closed is pushing them back home.

A few older family members are moving from NYC, Chicago....no point of burning your cash on those taxes and cost of living when you are retired and staying home.
 

Pospecteer

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And all those service people who work security, janitorial and maintanance in those buildings will lose their jobs. That will be a lot of lower middle class workers displaced.

they will learn to code
 

dave

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Homes are selling with in a couple days in my area. I was told there are currently more Real Estate agents in America than homes for sale right now.

I was thinking of adding a deck to my sunroom and saw current lumber prices, my jaw dropped...new home construction must be slow?
New cobstruction is crazy in Morgantown. I dont know where all these peiple come from but there are new builds everywhere. Single family, condos and apartments everywhere.
 

Darth_VadEER

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New cobstruction is crazy in Morgantown. I dont know where all these peiple come from but there are new builds everywhere. Single family, condos and apartments everywhere.

Newer condos and apartments, and McMansions were I live.
 

dave

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they will learn to code
I work in one of the nicer buildings in Charleston. We probably pay in the upper 10% of rent for our space in town but I dont know the particulars. Since the pandemic hit the building security is about half. The janitorial service is about half and I am not aure about bldg management because I dont go there much. Bottom line is even still about half the offices i the building are working from home some or all the time so there isnt much work to do to manage space since most offices are juat sitting there dark.

We just signed a long term lease in 2019 so I imagine I will be around to watch what happens as these office leases end. Almost the whole building is bank, insurance or legal related.
 

Darth_VadEER

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Checking real estate in my hometown....everything selling quick, except mid-high range within city limits.
 

NYC_Eer

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I'm seeing this right now with my younger cousins and my wife's younger cousins...they all wanted the bigger city life, but living in a small apartment with everything closed is pushing them back home.

A few older family members are moving from NYC, Chicago....no point of burning your cash on those taxes and cost of living when you are retired and staying home.
I moved to NYC when I was single. I had no interest in a yard. I just wanted to work, party and get laid. Younger people will continue to move to NYC and other cities for that reason. I moved after having our first kid. There is no way I'd raise kids in a 2-3 BR condo in the city, but a lot of people do. I bet that is the group of people moving now and may not come back. Just about everyone that moves to my town had kids and needed more room and a yard. That won't change.

The residential market isn't hurting as much as commercial. My one friend says the only problem they are having w/ the residential market in NYC is lack of inventory. They were still selling places even w/out showings. Lot of people from other counties want to park their money in US and NYC real estate still.

I do agree the taxes are a lot to take, but if you have kids in the school districts its better than paying multiple private school tuitions. Once the kids are out of school though? I doubt I'll look at those county and school taxes the same way I do now.
 

SKYHAWKBALL

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And you pick Lewisburg as one of the pilot towns (an obvious Jim Justice move)?

Way more outdoor activities to do in locations around Fayette County and Boone County. Maybe some of those illegals from the borders will be placed in WV to do telemarketing jobs while voting Democrat.
 

dave

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Newer condos and apartments, and McMansions were I live.
Its not really stopped here. Ive been in Morgantown since 2004 and I never remember a slowdown. I have no clue where the people living in these places come from. We built a big house. Probably 2500 sf with another 400 unfinished space and most the new construction is our size or larger.
 

Pospecteer

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I work in one of the nicer buildings in Charleston. We probably pay in the upper 10% of rent for our space in town but I dont know the particulars. Since the pandemic hit the building security is about half. The janitorial service is about half and I am not aure about bldg management because I dont go there much. Bottom line is even still about half the offices i the building are working from home some or all the time so there isnt much work to do to manage space since most offices are juat sitting there dark.

We just signed a long term lease in 2019 so I imagine I will be around to watch what happens as these office leases end. Almost the whole building is bank, insurance or legal related.

It's coming. I moved back to Morgantown last year. Bought a new home. The homes are selling faster than they can build them. Similar homes like ours is now selling 25% - 35% higher than when we bought and that is in just a little over a year.
 

Darth_VadEER

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I work in one of the nicer buildings in Charleston. We probably pay in the upper 10% of rent for our space in town but I dont know the particulars. Since the pandemic hit the building security is about half. The janitorial service is about half and I am not aure about bldg management because I dont go there much. Bottom line is even still about half the offices i the building are working from home some or all the time so there isnt much work to do to manage space since most offices are juat sitting there dark.

We just signed a long term lease in 2019 so I imagine I will be around to watch what happens as these office leases end. Almost the whole building is bank, insurance or legal related.

I told this story recently, but we have space in a downtown building. I don't go in much now. Other tenants haven't moved out, no one is there.

There is retail space and a restaurant on bottom floor, so they dont want security at front entrance.

Well during the winter the bums and vagrants were coming inside to ride the elevators to stay warm....once something gets to empty, or unused, it just naturally goes down the tube.