- Nick Saban
- Spurrier
- Richt
- Sumlin
- Franklin
- Mullen
- Miles
- Bielema
- Freeze
- Muchamp
- Butch Jones
- Pinkle
- Malzahn
- Stoops
Thoughts?
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-secs-college-football-coaches-2013
Athlon Ranks SEC Head Coaches
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Thoughts?
http://www.athlonsports.com/college-football/ranking-secs-college-football-coaches-2013
Overall pretty good. I'd say Mullen is in about the right place at the moment. I don't think Bielema should be so high though since he's unproven in the SEC, nor do I think Muschamp should be so low. Otherwise pretty good.
Miles has to be higher. He may be seen as a bafoon by some but he has the rings and wins to back up a higher ranking.
A agree that Freeze and Mullen should be tied. Freeze did a lot more with less last year and that is hard to do in the SEC. They were a few plays away from winning a couple more games if I remember correctly. Plus you have to consider his crootin class this year. That is part of the job description.
A agree that Freeze and Mullen should be tied. Freeze did a lot more with less last year and that is hard to do in the SEC. They were a few plays away from winning a couple more games if I remember correctly. Plus you have to consider his crootin class this year. That is part of the job description.
Move Miles to 5, and shift Franklin and Mullens down a rung. At this point in his career could make an argument for Father Freezus to be higher up.
While I think that ...
they make a good case for Mullen at #6, it is absolutely impossible to rank this group when several have not even coached a single game ... yet. Even one year is not enough to judge.
e.g. I never thought Sumlin or Freeze would do as good as they did last year and Butch Jones may surprise this year.
they make a good case for Mullen at #6, it is absolutely impossible to rank this group when several have not even coached a single game ... yet. Even one year is not enough to judge.
e.g. I never thought Sumlin or Freeze would do as good as they did last year and Butch Jones may surprise this year.
Miles WAY to low. You can't argue with his results. I know he has a lot of resources at LSU and I know Saban had left him a good foundation. But it's been 8 years now. And those 8 years are the winningest 8-year stretch in LSU's history. Only the glory years of the late-50s to early 60s are even close, and they play a MUCH tougher schedule now than they did then.
Muschamp did a hell of a job last year. A year ago I would have agreed with him at 10th. Not today.
Muschamp did a hell of a job last year. A year ago I would have agreed with him at 10th. Not today.
Don't agree
They recruit in the top 10 every year so they have quality players. They quit on Chizik last year so any new coach will get a better effort. Malzahn will have the offense night and day better. I think you are grossly underestimating Auburn
They recruit in the top 10 every year so they have quality players. They quit on Chizik last year so any new coach will get a better effort. Malzahn will have the offense night and day better. I think you are grossly underestimating Auburn
My take is that the basically everyone with less than two years of SEC experience automatically got put below #8. I think Miles is about where he should be. I would not want Miles as MSU's HC.
Switch Miles and Mullen and I agree with the list completely. I'm sure I'll come off as a sour fan but I don't think Mullen and Freeze are even in the same boat (nod towards Mullen). Dan came in with a high school roster and STRUGGLED changing the culture and getting quality guys to give us attention but has still won games. Freeze inherited a solid roster aside from runningback.
Anyway, as someone pointed out about Malzhan having success, regime changes always generate hype for players.
Not saying Freeze is a worse coach or will never be as good of a coach, but I think a lot of you are giving him a little too much credit and Bielema too little credit. The B1G sucks, yes, but he beat up on everyone in the B1G. Has to count for something.
Anyway, as someone pointed out about Malzhan having success, regime changes always generate hype for players.
Not saying Freeze is a worse coach or will never be as good of a coach, but I think a lot of you are giving him a little too much credit and Bielema too little credit. The B1G sucks, yes, but he beat up on everyone in the B1G. Has to count for something.
He has also put together a pretty good staff. I think he'll have them turned around quickly if they don't have any NCAA troubles.
Mullen's first year
I don't see much difference in Merlin's and Freezer's first year. If the former would have went bowling (especially by beating LSU) in his first year, the program would have been in better shape. Plus, he's developed his (2-star) recruits. Let's hold off on that vote until we see if Freezer hits 10 wins in his second year.
I don't see much difference in Merlin's and Freezer's first year. If the former would have went bowling (especially by beating LSU) in his first year, the program would have been in better shape. Plus, he's developed his (2-star) recruits. Let's hold off on that vote until we see if Freezer hits 10 wins in his second year.
Those rankings are terrible.
1. Saban (best ever)
2. Spurrier (hall of fame coach)
3. Miles (NC are kinda big)
4. Richt (no NC and a bad record in big games)
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5. Muschamp (1 BCS game tops Sumlin barely)
6. Sumlin (benefited from a freak talent at QB, losing Kingsbury will hurt)
7. Franklin (climbing this list quickly, what he's done in such a short time is impressive)
8. Mullen (very impressive turnaround but is now trending down, needs upsets or will drop to lower list)
9. Freeze (will flip with Mullen if he wins the EB and goes bowling again this year)
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10. Bielema (this isn't the B1G 10, will struggle and Piggies will lose patience)
11. Pinkel (dead man walking)
12. Jones (probably climbs to #10 in one year)
13. Malzahn (program is messy right now, lot of work to clean it up, #11 by next year)
14. Stoops (Kentucky only cares about basketball and horses)
10-14 can't really be ranked correctly yet, Pinkel might be #14. I could see him out at Mizzou soon. Jones won't be this low very long. I think Bielema will fail at UPig and I think Malzahn will have Auburn back quickly. Malzahn can score. He just needs a QB and a DC.
1. Saban (best ever)
2. Spurrier (hall of fame coach)
3. Miles (NC are kinda big)
4. Richt (no NC and a bad record in big games)
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.huge gap
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5. Muschamp (1 BCS game tops Sumlin barely)
6. Sumlin (benefited from a freak talent at QB, losing Kingsbury will hurt)
7. Franklin (climbing this list quickly, what he's done in such a short time is impressive)
8. Mullen (very impressive turnaround but is now trending down, needs upsets or will drop to lower list)
9. Freeze (will flip with Mullen if he wins the EB and goes bowling again this year)
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.huge gap
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10. Bielema (this isn't the B1G 10, will struggle and Piggies will lose patience)
11. Pinkel (dead man walking)
12. Jones (probably climbs to #10 in one year)
13. Malzahn (program is messy right now, lot of work to clean it up, #11 by next year)
14. Stoops (Kentucky only cares about basketball and horses)
10-14 can't really be ranked correctly yet, Pinkel might be #14. I could see him out at Mizzou soon. Jones won't be this low very long. I think Bielema will fail at UPig and I think Malzahn will have Auburn back quickly. Malzahn can score. He just needs a QB and a DC.
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Gone are the success days at Wisconsin for Bielema. This is the wrong conference to try to take a program that is thoroughly engrossed in an up-tempo offense and turn it into a smash mouth run first team. He's trying to undo all that Petrino built in. That is not going to create wins. It'll take him 5 years before he can completely overhaul that program. He won't be there by year 5 to see his work.
They have Sumlin way too high (a guy with less than two years SEC experience that they put higher than eighth). A&M played well last year and I'm not taking anything away from them, but the stars aligned perfectly for them last year. They are losing significant talent in the trenches. Johnny Football will make them relevant, but they won't have the year that they had last year.
How is Les Miles that low? How often has he lost to Spurrier? How about Mullen? He has a national championship under his belt too. This list sucks.
I know that's been the party line on here, but I don't think that's entirely true. They return Matthews next year and he'll slide over to LT and his younger brother is going to be very good at center. I think they'll lose some on D with that DE leaving.
They're a top 10 team and a legit national title contender. THey get Bama at home next year, fairly early I believe, the winner of that game will likely be in the driver's seat for the SEC title and a trip to the NC game.
They're a top 10 team and a legit national title contender. THey get Bama at home next year, fairly early I believe, the winner of that game will likely be in the driver's seat for the SEC title and a trip to the NC game.
they lost their entire front 7 from a defense that was 9th in total d in the SEC. There offense will take a step back. Watch and see. They'll still be a top O in the conference but defenses will play them better. The key for them is defense. Until they get out of the bottom half of the conference, they have no shot the West or a national championship.
No, they don't. Who told you that?
They'll lead the SEC in offense. It's their 2nd year in Sumlin's system, their OL returns 3 out of 5 guys with a 1st round pick at LT in Matthews again. His younger brother is going to be a very good C too. Not to mention Johnny Football is back.
Sumlin has ALWAYS put up monster numbers. He did it in his first year in the SEC, why would you think he won't replicate that?
I think Freeze has more than one year to make up to flip with Mullen. What Mullen and Freeze have done are not even close when you compare what shape UPig and AU were in Mullen's first three years.
No one told me. I researched it. They do have a few guys who have started (like DT Enis) but they were decimated in their front 7, especially the high end talen like Damontre Moore and MLB Stewart. To qoute Aubry Bloom (tex am 247) on OOB a few weeks ago, "The entire from 7 is completely different." They were a very average D last year and will get worse. Alabama will steamroll them in their 2nd game. Again, defense is what will hold them back from SEC titles, not offense
ETA- Look at their depth chart from last year and lay it over the projected 2013 depth chart (BR has done them for everyone). At this point it's not exact but that's basically what I did as well as using the stats info at cfbstats.com
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Sure enough he did, not sure why I don't remember those two wins but Richt still is famous for his choking in big games. He does it once a year and Miles has a NC so he stays above Richt. Richt needs a ring and another NC appearance to surpase Miles. Their overall records are very similar but Miles won a title in 2007 and lost in another one in 2011 to finish 13-1 that year. Athlon putting him 7th on this list behind Sumlin, Franklin and Mullen is a total joke. How can Miles be behind them when he's never lost to any of those 3 coaches and has 2 NC appearances winning one of those? Miles 7th on that list is egregiously bad.
Ennis is back, he started every game for them last year. So is Obioha, who started every game last year as a true freshman. Nealy is gone, but peole forget he was a former walkon that started last year. They'll have more trouble replacing LBs than DL, IMO even with Moore leaving. Plus, they weren't that bad. They were 5th in scoring D in SEC only games, giving up 8 PPG less than we did.
I don't see how it's a given that TAM will struggle to replace guys on D, but Bama will have no issues replacing Womack, Barret Jones, DJ Fluker, Lacy, Williams (the TE), on offense.
I don't see how it's a given that TAM will struggle to replace guys on D, but Bama will have no issues replacing Womack, Barret Jones, DJ Fluker, Lacy, Williams (the TE), on offense.
Bama has recruited Slightly better than TAMU the past 5 years. That's how Bama will reload faster.