We should be outperforming last years offensive number though. After all, we returned the entire lineup and Renfroe is heads and shoulders ahead of where he was last year.
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Pitching is not to blame when they give up 3 and 4 runs. Hitting is to blame when they accumulate a grand total of 4 hits, get the leadoff man on base 3 times over two games, and score 2 and 3 runs.
Damn I thought u had some sense Engie but that's going away.
Damn I thought u had some sense Engie but that's going away.
Without getting an out? Forcing you to go deep in your bullpen in the first inning? Sure it is to blame.
Gets what?
Our hitting has been as advertised overall -- our pitching(specifically ALL starters outside of Graveman and Lindgren) has been the bigger letdown (and for the third time now -- since you can't read and get hung up on the most trivial of things when someone disagrees and then proves you wrong -- it ALL has a role in our slide). The fact that you are even arguing this after giving up 4 runs in the first 2 innings today -- in a game we should be leading 4-0 simply by throwing strikes and not making ridiculous errors in right -- is pretty hilarious really. Sure, the bats are letting us down too...
"3-4 earned runs" is fine -- if the other team is actually EARNING them by getting hits and doing good situational hitting. It's something else entirely when DAMN NEAR half the other team's total baserunners come from walks and hbp's.
That's right, we've put 136 on base with their bat on their shoulder -- while giving up a total of 174 hits. That is unacceptable -- and almost unfathomable. Our pitchers are all pretty unhittable -- unfortunately, no one has to actually hit them to beat them...
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How the other team scores has no effect on the offense Engie. Neither does having to go to our pen if our pen only gives up one run for the rest of the game. Bottom line we should have swept if our hitters weren't terrible last weekend.
You are the one that went on the attack about the assertion that our starting pitching also being a huge problem -- the unexpected one, whereas some offensive struggles were expected...
Bottom line is that we would have also swept last weekend had our starting pitching not been somewhere between pretty bad and terrible in games 2 and 3. That blade cuts both ways. If Mitchell just throw strikes, we win. If Graveman just keeps the ball down, we win.
I give you the Graveman loss -- in that game, hitting was actually the bigger problem. We simply ran into a dominant pitcher, and UK has Graveman's number(3x in a row now)...
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You can't assume a shutout or one run game. It doesn't matter how it slices, of you hold the other team to 4 or less if u don't win it's on the offense.
Sure you can -- It's called the gift of hindsight. When you look back at a game -- and the pitcher GAVE the other team the runs they scored that beat you in a tight game, that places the burden of the loss on THOSE PITCHERS. Whether or not the hitting "should have" been better is negligible to that fact.
Lemme get this straight. Tim Hudson hits 6 Phillies to start the game. Kris Medlen comes in and gets 27 of 31 batters out. Only gives up 3 hits and no more runs. Halladay however gives up 1 run on 4 hits. And it's Tim Hudson's fault for the loss? Not the Braves 1-9 that can't score enough runs? Don't think so.
We bitched at Croom because his teams sucked. I'm as disappointed as anyone at the lack of offense under Cohen, especially the last 2 years. But I judge a coach on his overall record. And Cohen's has been good enough the last couple of years. This is still the best overall team we've had since 2003.
Obviously. That's why Hudson gets the loss -- not the position players that fail to score off one of the best pitchers of the past decade.
Pitching against Halladay? You are really destroying your only point. Hudson doesn't hit the 6 batters, you win the game 1-0. His MENTAL BREAKDOWN on the hill(causing him to plunk 6 guys in a row) lost that game -- not the hitters that subsequently couldn't get much going against a first-ballot Hall of Famer. The hitters simply failed to bail out their pitcher. They certainly didn't "lose" the game...
Yeah- and they were good pitchers
Two of them won 13 games and then Colon and McCarthy had winning seasons. And I bet they didn't start their team off in a hole a whole lot either.
Two of them won 13 games and then Colon and McCarthy had winning seasons. And I bet they didn't start their team off in a hole a whole lot either.
According to whom? IDEALLY you score more than that every game. That doesn't mean that it isn't the pitcher's fault when you score less than that and he beats himself though.
People that never played the game at a high level make the mistake of assuming you are playing/competing against the other team -- when in reality, you are simply competing against yourself and the other team in coincidental.
Giving up hits and getting beat by superior teams is "getting beat" -- you can hold your head up. Going 0fer against a likely early rounder is "getting beat" -- again, nothing to be ashamed of.
Giving up 3 earned runs without making a single batter take the bat off their shoulder is "beating yourself". There is a big *** difference between this and the other 2 scenarios. That's the LET DOWN.
But you can't read about these differences at Boyd's World or Bill James' website...
Tonight was the small ball that I would like to see- we did a double steal, a squeeze play, stole 8 bases total, got out first inning going with a drag ****, and then we sprinkled in some power from Porter and Renfroe. It led to 13 runs against a pretty good mid major team and got us a nice RPI win. The only bad thing was Will Cox not stepping up.