B-B-But....who could we get better????
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Our athletic department will need every available dollar to keep our football coaching staff in place. Just as soon as Rick's contract is up, we need to dump him and hire a good high school coach. How many years are left on Rick's contract?
Funny, I recall when Stansbury was grossly underpaid at around 375 to 400k a year. Now he is grossly overpaid at around 1.1 mil. I guess it all evens out in the end.
Funny, I recall when Stansbury was grossly underpaid at around 375 to 400k a year. Now he is grossly overpaid at around 1.1 mil. I guess it all evens out in the end.
I have always had hope we would get it turned around after one of these 'typical Stansbury losses'. Not this time around though. We are extremely lucky to be 4-2 right now, and that tells me all I need to know about this group of no-talent assclowns, with the schedule we've played so far. Even without our 2 best players, there's no excuse for how bad we suck right now. No excuse at all.
and i know people are going to be like your just mad after these two losses but thats not it.. i've been to every basketball game this year and the level of stupidity from our coaching staff is unreal.. they let the appalachian state dude drop 46 on us.. you would think after he had 30 we would put some one on him.. i've never seen an offense so bad. just pass the ball around and when there is 10 seconds left on the shot clock give it to ravern and let him create a shot. I say we get him out now let an assistant take over and see how he does the rest of the year. no one could be worse so whats the risk
I just don't believe this current staff is SEC quality. Kirby may not have been great but he was head and shoulders better than anyone we have left on the staff now.
You left out these:
"Stans is the winningest coach on campus and in our school's history."
---> At one time, so was Ron Polk and Jackie Sherrill. Should we have let them continue?
"You expect us to beat Duke, North Carolina, and UCLA."
--> No, but I expect to beat Duquesne, East Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara, and I am not sure we could do that right now.
"Any team would struggle minus their two best players."
--> True. But does that mean they would lose back to back home games against middle tier teams from one-bid leagues? The answer to that is no. I know examples are not always the complete story, but Pearl did a pretty fantastic job last year when he booted Tyler Smith, suspended three others, and went on to the Elite Eight by year's end. If you want to argue that UT had more talent to sustain that loss, I would thank you for helping make my next point.
"We are not deep nor talented."
--> We targeted these guys. We signed them. What we do with them from that point is our responsibility. Riek is clearly a waste. I have no idea why Bolen redshirted other than GPA. Maybe he's not on scholarship. Beckham would not start for most of the teams we have played thus far. Bailey had some limited potential until his injuries. Now he is our leading post player. Bryant was supposed to step in to some of Stewart's role. He's not as good as Stewart was when he was a freshmens. Smith I won't give up on yet, but still not seeing much. Lewis has as much feel for basketball as Michael Jordan did.....for baseball.
"I'm not willing to take a gamble on a new coach when Stansbury has won as much as he has."
--> I think this is the most legitimate argument out there. There certainly is no guarantee that we would improve ourselves with a coaching change. Because Rick HAS been moderately successful, there probably exists a slightly larger chance of regression than their does of improvement. In that regard, he's a victim of his own success. But to say there is no one out there who could take this program to greater success is just failing to acknowledge reality.
I've never once said here that Stansbury should be fired. Still feel that way. I do think, as I have said before, he should be forced to change his staff and, if the rumors are true, to not micromanage everything so much. Cunningham, Grant and Brooks are three guys who don't seem to bring much to the table. At least one of them needs to go, to be replaced by a coach whose sole job is to teach fundamentals, to gameplan, and to advise Rick on in game strategy (like sub patterns and timeouts). Nothing wrong with letting your assistants do the work while you take home the big paycheck. Look where it got Gene Chizik this year.
"Stans is the winningest coach on campus and in our school's history."
---> At one time, so was Ron Polk and Jackie Sherrill. Should we have let them continue?
"You expect us to beat Duke, North Carolina, and UCLA."
--> No, but I expect to beat Duquesne, East Carolina, UC-Santa Barbara, and I am not sure we could do that right now.
"Any team would struggle minus their two best players."
--> True. But does that mean they would lose back to back home games against middle tier teams from one-bid leagues? The answer to that is no. I know examples are not always the complete story, but Pearl did a pretty fantastic job last year when he booted Tyler Smith, suspended three others, and went on to the Elite Eight by year's end. If you want to argue that UT had more talent to sustain that loss, I would thank you for helping make my next point.
"We are not deep nor talented."
--> We targeted these guys. We signed them. What we do with them from that point is our responsibility. Riek is clearly a waste. I have no idea why Bolen redshirted other than GPA. Maybe he's not on scholarship. Beckham would not start for most of the teams we have played thus far. Bailey had some limited potential until his injuries. Now he is our leading post player. Bryant was supposed to step in to some of Stewart's role. He's not as good as Stewart was when he was a freshmens. Smith I won't give up on yet, but still not seeing much. Lewis has as much feel for basketball as Michael Jordan did.....for baseball.
"I'm not willing to take a gamble on a new coach when Stansbury has won as much as he has."
--> I think this is the most legitimate argument out there. There certainly is no guarantee that we would improve ourselves with a coaching change. Because Rick HAS been moderately successful, there probably exists a slightly larger chance of regression than their does of improvement. In that regard, he's a victim of his own success. But to say there is no one out there who could take this program to greater success is just failing to acknowledge reality.
I've never once said here that Stansbury should be fired. Still feel that way. I do think, as I have said before, he should be forced to change his staff and, if the rumors are true, to not micromanage everything so much. Cunningham, Grant and Brooks are three guys who don't seem to bring much to the table. At least one of them needs to go, to be replaced by a coach whose sole job is to teach fundamentals, to gameplan, and to advise Rick on in game strategy (like sub patterns and timeouts). Nothing wrong with letting your assistants do the work while you take home the big paycheck. Look where it got Gene Chizik this year.
I'm rapidly swimming towards this boat. I've been a Stans Fan for years, but the team this year looks almost lackadaisical. Sure, we run a few set plays, but we rarely execute cleanly. We're also lacking in the rebounding department, and when one of the pillars of your coaching style starts to wobble, you best do something. Barring an NCAA run this year, I'll be wanting an X's and O's guy brought in to help out.DawgatAuburn said:
Here's a suggestion, we can ask former National Powerhouse Arkansas for advice on how to replace a successful coach!
It has worked out SO well for them since booting Nolan. They didn't miss a beat!
#sarcasm
I am frustrated right now like most, but I find the Stans hatred unbelievable.
It has worked out SO well for them since booting Nolan. They didn't miss a beat!
#sarcasm
I am frustrated right now like most, but I find the Stans hatred unbelievable.
I've been saying for a couple of years that Stans needed to make some changes to upgrade his staff (hiring Brooks to replace Kirby is a downgrade). He hasn't done that. If he can't get us to the NCAAT with Sidney, I'd have to say he needs to be given an ultimatum for next year.
"I'm not willing to take a gamble on a new coach when Stansbury has won as much as he has."
He really hasnt won much the last 5 years.
Our schedules have been downright ********- filled with cupcakes and a ****** SEC West
We have only qualified for the NCAA Tourney at the end of the regular season once in the last 5 years.
0-25 vs Top 25 RPI teams during the regular season the last 5-6 years
Loss after loss to ****** teams
Anybody that doesnt think we can find someone else to do <span style="text-decoration:underline">at least this much</span> is crazy.
Do we really want to continue to watch our basketball program underachieve for another 2-3 years?
He really hasnt won much the last 5 years.
Our schedules have been downright ********- filled with cupcakes and a ****** SEC West
We have only qualified for the NCAA Tourney at the end of the regular season once in the last 5 years.
0-25 vs Top 25 RPI teams during the regular season the last 5-6 years
Loss after loss to ****** teams
Anybody that doesnt think we can find someone else to do <span style="text-decoration:underline">at least this much</span> is crazy.
Do we really want to continue to watch our basketball program underachieve for another 2-3 years?
Ask Florida about hiring a coach from Marshall to improve their program
Ask Tennessee about hiring Milwaukee-Wisconsin's coach
Ask Georgia about hiring Tulsa's coach named Tubby Smith- not to mention the guy they have hired right now that is improving them alot
There are plenty of examples of teams getting better.
Ask Tennessee about hiring Milwaukee-Wisconsin's coach
Ask Georgia about hiring Tulsa's coach named Tubby Smith- not to mention the guy they have hired right now that is improving them alot
There are plenty of examples of teams getting better.
We just have some historical perspective. Since the Babe, we have had 3 coaches that have had success at Mississippi State. One of them was around for a single year. We've had 4 coaches that couldn't win.Coach34 said:
Historically speaking, we have less than a 50% chance that we'll end up with someone who can end up above .500, and a 33% chance that if we do get someone, they leave shortly thereafter.
Now, our recent administration upgrade is a reason to think those percentages are higher with a hire that they pick. But crazy to think we can't find someone to match Stansbury's successes? Hardly.
This is relevant because even though most of you don't want to admit Stans has been successful, he has been. I'm not blind though- most points made about the past few years ARE accurate. With that being said, Arkansas got rid of Nolan and has still struggled to find someone to even make Arkansas relevant. My point is this: if a school like Arkansas is struggling to find the guy to lead them to the world of big time basketball what will happen to a school like State?
Be careful what you wish for because you may just get it.
Be careful what you wish for because you may just get it.
lannsd said:
1940, 1950, 1970 doesnt matter anymore. That's called ancient history.
The last 25 years our program have been decent. Once Williams took over and some money finally started to be put in the program, it got alot better.
And we pay over a million a year to coach here. Butler got to the NC game with a coach making 300K a year less.
We are 1 of only 4 SEC schools to make the Final Four in the last 15 years.
The chances of us getting a better coach are at least 50/50- people want this job now. Dan Mullen should be an example of what we are capable of doing with the right guy.
The last 25 years our program have been decent. Once Williams took over and some money finally started to be put in the program, it got alot better.
And we pay over a million a year to coach here. Butler got to the NC game with a coach making 300K a year less.
We are 1 of only 4 SEC schools to make the Final Four in the last 15 years.
The chances of us getting a better coach are at least 50/50- people want this job now. Dan Mullen should be an example of what we are capable of doing with the right guy.
Our program has been decent for the last 10 years. It was intermittently great and pathetic for the 10 before that.
And the years leading to the Croom hire are in no way comparable to what we have now in basketball. Stansbury is still winning....he's just not winning enough for our standards.
And the years leading to the Croom hire are in no way comparable to what we have now in basketball. Stansbury is still winning....he's just not winning enough for our standards.
Prior to Stansbury taking over MState's head coaching duties in 1998, the Bulldogs had totaled seven postseason tournament berths and eclipsed the 20-win mark just seven times in the school's 86 previous years of basketball competition.
The Bulldogs have won 20-plus games nine times under Stansbury's guidance.
Since 1998-99, MSU is the winningest program in the SEC Western Division and is third overall behind Kentucky and Florida.
http://www.mstateathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=935062
The hate for Stans is retarded. You guys are stupid.
The Bulldogs have won 20-plus games nine times under Stansbury's guidance.
Since 1998-99, MSU is the winningest program in the SEC Western Division and is third overall behind Kentucky and Florida.
http://www.mstateathletics.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=16800&ATCLID=935062
The hate for Stans is retarded. You guys are stupid.