B1G Fighting ACC & Big 12 Petition to change CCG

[sherrane]

The B1G has filed an amendment that is a direct challenge to the ACC / Big 12 petition calling for the NCAA to deregulate Conference Championship Games. The amendment would allow a 10-team league (Big 12) to hold a CCG as long as they divided the league into two divisions. The 11-team Sun Belt would also be able to stage a CCG if this passes as well, although they may not be interested as they could probably just add UMass as a football-only member next year to get to 12 teams (this is UMass' last season in the MAC).

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...c-big-12-move-to-alter-conference-title-games

 

[daneman100]

Surprised the SEC is not challenging this as well.

 

[RUaMoose_rivals]

The Big XII wants their cake and to eat it too. I say eff 'em. Expand like everyone else had to do.You think those arrogant sobs would have gotten the message after last year.

 

[Best7Years]

The Big XII wants their cake and to eat it too. I say eff 'em. Expand like everyone else had to do.You think those arrogant sobs would have gotten the message after last year.

It really would be best for the conferences to expand. 5 conferences of 14 or even 16 teams. Then expand the playoffs to either 6 or 8 team with conference champs guaranteed a spot. That would mean the top 70-80 teams have a direct route to be national champs. The remaining seeds can be allocated to worthy lower conference teams, independents, or top non-conference champs.

 

[greenknight]

No its not in the best interest for 16 team conferences the money will not be there for TV $$$ per team

 

[LC-88]

Surprised the SEC is not challenging this as well.

I'll bet E$PN is telling $EC to stand down.

 

[wheezer]

I don't see any reason that a 10 team conference can't have a championship game...... I also like conferences to stop at 14 Or so members, more than that keeps some teams from playing each other for years.

 

[krup]

The B1G has filed an amendment that is a direct challenge to the ACC / Big 12 petition calling for the NCAA to deregulate Conference Championship Games. The amendment would allow a 10-team league (Big 12) to hold a CCG as long as they divided the league into two divisions. The 11-team Sun Belt would also be able to stage a CCG if this passes as well, although they may not be interested as they could probably just add UMass as a football-only member next year to get to 12 teams (this is UMass' last season in the MAC).

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...c-big-12-move-to-alter-conference-title-games

It is a challenge to the ACC/B12 petition, but it really only affects the ACC. Under the B1G amendment the B12 gets what they want because they can have a championship game without expanding.
The ACC wouldn't get to have the funky 3 division, pick the two best teams for the champ game setup they wanted to make the ND arrangement more workable.

 

[lighty]

"I don't see any reason that a 10 team conference can't have a championship game"

If the SEC didn't force this to happen, 10 would have been fine. You can't change it back now after conferences like the Big Ten expanded just to meet the acceptable level.

The Big 12 knows they need to expand and will have to take someone they don't live to do so. If they don't, they will be shut out of the playoffs more times than not.

 

[GoodOl'Rutgers]

While we directly benefited from this rule adding incentive for the Big Ten to expand, I have no trouble seeing a championship game for the 10 team conference. I would have a problem if being champion of a 10 team conference is viewed the same as being champion of a larger conference. A 10-team conference champion should be at the end of the line in evaluating conference champions for a playoff. Otherwise it would actually create incentives to downsize conferences to the bare minimum.

If this happens, why not split the Big Ten (and other large conferences) into two conferences and have each side add 3 teams. Expand the playoffs to 8 teams and the current Big Ten, now 2 10-team conferences, get two spots. It would be the same as having a guaranteed spot in the 4 team playoff.

 

[krup]

"I don't see any reason that a 10 team conference can't have a championship game"

If the SEC didn't force this to happen, 10 would have been fine. You can't change it back now after conferences like the Big Ten expanded just to meet the acceptable level.

The Big 12 knows they need to expand and will have to take someone they don't live to do so. If they don't, they will be shut out of the playoffs more times than not.

Obviously the B1G doesn't feel "You can't change it back now after conferences like the Big Ten expanded just to meet the acceptable level", since they are the one that proposed the amendment to change it back.

 

[RUSONIC]

Big12 will no longer exist in 5 years. Four conferences of 16. Solves the non expansion of the playoffs.Every conference plays 9 conference games and 1 game against the other 3 conferences.

 

[sherrane]

It is a challenge to the ACC/B12 petition, but it really only affects the ACC. Under the B1G amendment the B12 gets what they want because they can have a championship game without expanding.
The ACC wouldn't get to have the funky 3 division, pick the two best teams for the champ game setup they wanted to make the ND arrangement more workable.

Exactly correct. I think this is the B1G's strategy to prevent the ACC from cherry-picking teams to play in their championship game. Bowlsby reiterated his opinion from the spring that they had enough support to pass the petition. While the conferences may have been inclined to vote for this, the fans (from several online polls) were strongly against it. From the linked article in the OP:

"Bowlsby believes that at least four of the five Power Five conferences support the Big 12-ACC version. That would total eight votes. If that's the case, the rest of the FBS conferences could only muster seven votes"

If that's the case, then obviously the B1G is the only conference who doesn't support the petition. I can't see that as the Pac-12 expanded just 4 years ago so they could add a championship game. I don't think they have that support yet, but they might be inching toward accomplishing that goal.

 

[sherrane]

Big12 will no longer exist in 5 years. Four conferences of 16. Solves the non expansion of the playoffs.Every conference plays 9 conference games and 1 game against the other 3 conferences.

5 power conferences and 4 playoff spots protects the integrity of the playoffs when a conference has a down year. Years like last year are rare when all 5 power conference have strong seasons. Look at the Pac-12 this year: #7 Stanford, #20 USC, and #24 Utah are the ranked teams. Both the B1G and ACC have as many teams ranked in the top 10 as the Pac-12 have in the top 25. The Big 12 have 3 teams ranked in the top 12. The American Athletic Conference has as many ranked teams (#19 Houston, #22 Temple, #23 Navy) as the Pac-12 do. Stanford doesn't really have a gripe if they win their game tonight and are excluded from the playoffs because the conference hasn't been playing at the same level they've been playing in recent seasons.

 

[ScarletKnightRider]

I dont care whether or not the Big XII expands or not... but they need a conference championship game one way or another. It's total bull that they don't. How can you call yourself a P5 conference if you don't have a championship game??? Enough with the corner cutting.

 

[RUtah]

Can't believe the Big 12 wouldn't be falling over themselves to add Houston and Memphis/Cincy in the near future.

 

[j_rc_93]

Allowing a championship game without 12 teams will more likely result in larger conferences eliminating teams than the smaller ones adding teams.

If you only need 10 teams for a conference title, obviously the chances of all member schools to be a champion increases. Additionally, the money is divided by fewer schools increasing the profitability for member schools. Why would conferences stay at 14 or 16 teams in this situation?

Perception is reality and in no point in the foreseeable future is either the branding of any of the P5 going to lose its pull nor, the branding of the non-P5 going to be elevated to a point of respectability. The P5 will retain its virtual guaranteed monopoly of Playoff spots. Instead of having 16 teams * 5 P5 (80 teams), or the current 64 teams competing for a title, we would drop to 50 teams.

NCAA should simply mandate 16 team conferences with a conference title. Instead of ranking individual teams, rank conferences. The winner of the championship game in the top 3 conferences make it into the BCS playoffs and the #1 ranked individual side that doesn't qualify as one of the 3 champions is selected as the 4th team.

 

[graystork]

Can't believe the Big 12 wouldn't be falling over themselves to add Houston and Memphis/Cincy in the near future.

It's called Texas. They don't play well with others.

 

[brista21]

It is a challenge to the ACC/B12 petition, but it really only affects the ACC. Under the B1G amendment the B12 gets what they want because they can have a championship game without expanding.
The ACC wouldn't get to have the funky 3 division, pick the two best teams for the champ game setup they wanted to make the ND arrangement more workable.

To me getting rid of divisions or having a weird 3 division setup or whatever would be as big a benefit for the Big Ten as it would be for the ACC. Now if they were opposed to less than 12 teams part it makes perfect sense. The Big Ten as a unidivison setup would be simple you play 4 schools annually, permanently (or at least indefinitely) and then 5 teams home and away over two years and then another set of 5 teams home and away over two years. (One team would get played 4 years straight ultimately.) You play every team at home and away at least once each in 4 years.

 

[krup]

To me getting rid of divisions or having a weird 3 division setup or whatever would be as big a benefit for the Big Ten as it would be for the ACC. Now if they were opposed to less than 12 teams part it makes perfect sense. The Big Ten as a unidivison setup would be simple you play 4 schools annually, permanently (or at least indefinitely) and then 5 teams home and away over two years and then another set of 5 teams home and away over two years. (One team would get played 4 years straight ultimately.) You play every team at home and away at least once each in 4 years.

I think the requirement for divisions will go away when the playoff is changed to 8 teams. For now, in the world where one P5 conference is left out from the playoff, I think the B1G doesn't want a conference to be the only one able to select the teams to make the best champ game matchup (which is what the ACC is looking for).