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DudyDog

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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/08/13/a_league_of_her_own/

http://www.sber.com/about/bios/janet_marie_smith.php

Here are a couple of articles about Janet Marie Smith, the MSU graduate who was the brains behind the building of Camden Yards in Baltimore, along with renovations of Fenway and others. She still resides in Baltimore.

I wonder if the Ninja knows about her? If not, he needs to.

While talking about renovations, I would love to see some form of outside pavilion similar to what they have at Turner Field. If anyone has ever been there, you know what I'm talking about. It is an outdoor restaurant/bar where folks gather during the game overlooking right field. Turner also has Club 755 (and you thought it was a strip joint) in left field. More of a skybox feel where you can go out on a large terrace and actually sit at a table and have a waiter bring you food and drink. Something similar to this....I know we couldn't do both....would fit in with the outfield lounge atmosphere that we currently have, and yet set Dudy Noble apart from the average college ballpark being built today.
 

DudyDog

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http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/08/13/a_league_of_her_own/

http://www.sber.com/about/bios/janet_marie_smith.php

Here are a couple of articles about Janet Marie Smith, the MSU graduate who was the brains behind the building of Camden Yards in Baltimore, along with renovations of Fenway and others. She still resides in Baltimore.

I wonder if the Ninja knows about her? If not, he needs to.

While talking about renovations, I would love to see some form of outside pavilion similar to what they have at Turner Field. If anyone has ever been there, you know what I'm talking about. It is an outdoor restaurant/bar where folks gather during the game overlooking right field. Turner also has Club 755 (and you thought it was a strip joint) in left field. More of a skybox feel where you can go out on a large terrace and actually sit at a table and have a waiter bring you food and drink. Something similar to this....I know we couldn't do both....would fit in with the outfield lounge atmosphere that we currently have, and yet set Dudy Noble apart from the average college ballpark being built today.
 

Bdog9090

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I would love to see some form of outside pavilion similar to what they have at Turner Field. If anyone has ever been there, you know what I'm talking about. It is an outdoor restaurant/bar where folks gather during the game overlooking right field.
 

8dog

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to our baseball facilities is probably worse than what they did to the team itself.

I cannot believe we are going to have to spend so much money on things that the ordinary fan will never notice before we ever get started on making it a better venue for the fan.
 

Todd4State

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but I actually would not be opposed to building a brand new baseball stadium at or near where Dudy-Noble currently is. My biggest requierment would be that the LFL be included.

Dudy-Noble was renovated in 1987, which was about 4-5 years before Camden Yards, which launched the retro parks and other modern-era ballaparks.

This might be better, and cheaper in the long run than renovating the current stadium.
 

Spotdawg

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as a matter of fact, it would be a smart move. We are trapped in a small box as far as what we can do with the old Dude. Smash it and start again. Wipe it clean.

But with the one proviso.....like you....that we keep the LFL. We HAVE to preserve that. Make it tiered, partial seating, bbq areas, I don't care. But it has to remain.
 

Maroon Eagle

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Dudy Noble Field's been invented, reinvented, and re-reinvented. The baseball team first played behind what is Dorman Hall until the mid-1960s, then a couple years in Columbus, before playing at the present Dudy Noble site in 1967, if I recall correctly. Twenty years later, the grandstand is constructed, and now it's 2009.

There've been some modifications (skyboxes, slight expansion of grandstands).

While there is a lot to be said for your idea, I think the next steps should be:
1. Expansion and maybe a slight reconfiguring of the grandstand down both lines. I want to know first how much it'd cost to set it up so that expanded grandstand seats were facing the general direction of home plate.
2. Renovation of the grandstand-- especially Secs. A & AA-- looks really ugly there.
3. More skyboxes.
4. I don't know who suggested it, but a pavilion section behind and above LFL might not be a bad idea. I wouldn't go so far as to call for housing though-- maybe something more multiuse like offices, a specialty quasi-Butler Guest House, or dressing facilities for track, soccer, etc., if there are no duplications of effort.</p>
 

basedog

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some improvements such as concessions, painting on the outside, bathrooms, new lights and some time in the future expand down each line to chair-backs and skyboxes (I'm sure I left off a few other items as well).
The field needs a complete overall with poor drainage. I can also say "if and when" they do some work to the outfield sitting whether it be bleachers or an outfield pavilion section it will cause a stir from the students as they as seat around the rightfield area.
Building a new park would put us above 10 million and probably closer to the 15-20 million range, ain't gonna happen as you can put 5 million into it and it would be right up there with the best of them.
When the seating was put in place the company that we purchased the chair-backs from no longer exist and that's a problem cause you can't buy parts or new seats to replace.
New isn't always better.
 

Frexzell

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I cannot believe this. I know her. I met her through her dad, who goes to my church here in Jackson (he knew I was a big Red Sox fan, so he introduced her to me). I have known that a MSU grad designed Camden Yards, but I did not know this was the same person. Camden Yards and Fenway Park are both unbelievable.
 

TilloDawg

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Don't think a new field is feasible, but we could do a LOT of sprucing up around there.....

A new drainage system is coming in the next few months, including digging out DNF completely. It will get started shortly after camps are over...

Got to expand the grandstand ....I'd like to see 3-4 sections in each direction, and top them off with luxury boxes.

Another must that will happen is a new pressbox....the old one leaks badly and is very tiny. With new TV deals, this will be a top priority. And, here is where we could add more luxury suites, if we decided not to expand the grandstand at the same time. Knock out the old pressbox, fill this in with luxury suites, then come back and build a new, modern press facility on top of the luxury boxes.
 

Todd4State

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of the seating in the grandstand. All of the new stadiums have seating that is closer to the action and with more room between the seats.

I don't think we can do that with the current situation that we are in.

Trustmark Park is a good example of the type of seating that I'm talking about.
 

TheBigDA

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we can tear up all those lifetime (BS) contracts and sell chairback seats for what they are worth? Also, I have always hated how DNF is in a hole. I know we can't do much about that unless we move it, but it would look awesome on the hill next to the hump.

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Bulldog Backer

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...has a LOT of good ideas and has pictures of similar concepts. I would ask that he transport some of them here from www.bulldawgjunction.com where he has them posted. He has taken the good ideas from the many others here who contributed them and has a really good concept.
 

ScoobaDawg

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Ah..one of my first photo-chops.. the day i learned what the clone tool was.
though others have marked it up..
I would never do this design now for two reasons.
first off..the bullpens next to each other.. never would work
and second, extending the grandstand STRAIGHT down the line..leaves you with half
your stadium staring straight into CF..not fun if in a chairback.
 

Todd4State

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And it would be pretty tricky to do away with those "lifetime contract" seats.

I think they hurt attendance. I think some people probably stay at home because they can't get a grandstand seat and they don't want to make the migration from the bleachers. Especially when they see the grandstand empty.

I don't really know what to do about it, but is sucks when people talk about how great the atmosphere is at Dudy-Noble and then the grandstand is practically empty.

I don't know is a ticket exchange is the answer or what. If you call the season ticket holders before the games, that coudl be a massive undertaking, but I'm sure there are enough college kids looking for jobs that could do that. They could call on Thurs. and then enter it into the computer and anyone that isn't coming, their seat goes up for sale. I think that's the only fair way to do it. I think midweek should be squatter's rights, with a "common courtesy" rule that if you are sitting in a season ticket holders seat, which has their name on it, you should move.

I know that the season ticket holders will squall about this, but I think this is a fair rule. In order to keep your season ticket priority, you must use them at least five times during the season- weekend or midweek, SBW, or whatever. Reason being, it's not fair to the people that want to come out and support the team to not be able to get a grandstand seat and it's not fair for someone that hasn't showed up all year to have priority for a Regional or SR over people that have actually been coming to the games.

I will say that the thought crossed my mind when I typed about building a brand new stadium.
 

ScoobaDawg

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The Dude is in need of upgrading, we have fallen behind.
To touch upon some of them,
I would literally "chop" off the current pressbox,
and rebuild it larger and with suites to both sides, and a matching roofline extended to both current sets of suites. This would add ~ 7-10 Suites depending on the sizes and expansion of the Press box. In addition, about 5 rows of PREM (Behind the Plate) Seats would be added where the press box used to dip down. Or you could connect it back with the press box and be a Club Level.
Combo this into creating a Nice facade for the entrance of Dudy Noble, and wrap it around all way down to the foul poles (more on that later).
Adding a new entrance will require you to dig out more of the hill that is now the current entrance, and likely move the road in between the Hump and the Dude.

Now that gets us to the universal want. Grandstands down the foul lines with SkyBoxes on top. I agree, but in my deisgn its not that simple. Because, At the angle down the line, you are staring into Cf. So you have two choices, Build permant chairback seating that face Center Field, or Build a Nice Structure and then built bleacher seating right back In.
I would take the Permanent seating, but bend the stadium in more towards the foul lines, allowing the seats to be angled more towards the infield than the outfield. To disguise the bend, I would add New Field level seats which Jut out towards the foul line, from the current Grandstand, and desquise the stadium literally wrapping around to the foulpole. Hard for anyone to visualize with Pictures. but I have been unable to find any that i can work with to modify into my idea.

Back to the outside,
Move the road, inbetween the hump and the dude, closer to the Media entrance, and remove all parking spots down there, Except for the Vistors Bus Parking. Create this is as the Main Entrance to Dudy Noble from the Street, Create Something Nice.. Create a Nice Series of Steps to walk down from Street Level and Place Monuments and Statues along the walkway, and a Possible Small Museum on the corner of Entrance.
Take the Visitors bullpen and flip it so that it extends the 90' Total along the outfield wall. (Sorry whoever is in that last wooden rig, I'm taking your spot). With this corner now upon, I take the
area next to the expanded grandstands down the line, out to the Outfield Fence (which I'm moving back closer to the road in Right Field to open more space), Down to Even with the Foul Line. Use the naturlal Hill in place, Level it off and creats a Kids Play Area, in which they can still watch the game, or the parents..without an obstructed view.
last, On the topic of the Outfield,
I have long been in the favor or Let it be..Raise the Prices..
But let us be. The second the university sticks their finger in it,
It becomes a liability and they will have to regulate things, which is what makes the outfield so great. It is unregulated and not uniform. Left Field Lounge is good, though with the addition down the Lines, I can think of about 5 rigs that might lose any viewing (The ones behind the Bullpen and over)
I would give those first crack, at the new Tier I would build in Right Field. Dig out some of the Right Field hill and slope if off much as the Left field is done, Allowing two tiers in most spots, and three closer to Center Field.

Those are my dreams, I'd love to put pen to paper and let others Visualize what I see. This topic has been on my brain for the past 3 seasons, I try to keep up with what other baseball Stadiums are doing, Love Love USC's new stadium.

*edit* One thing I forgot about. I would NOT but chairbacks ALL the way down the extended grandstand. I would leave the last 3-5 Sections or so as bleachers for now. Only add as many Chairbacks as you can sell season tickets. If you chairback everything, there is no Premium Price point as there is no incentive to buy season tickets.

Here are some photos for some of the ideas I have

Here is what we have


First, I want to look at the "bowl" of the USC granstand.
If you compare it to ours, you can see they started with a lot more foul ground and are able to create better angles. But this is the gist of what I would like to do. Past the infield, jet it towards the foul line, and stay on that line as the wall grows higher as the stands wrap towards the line. You can see what Im describing in the 3rd base line.
The major difference, between the two "bowls" (Concrete grandstand) is the angle at which the stadium surrounds the field of play, and the foul territory to work with.
At MSU the grandstand takes such a hard angle already (compare the distance from foul line to dugout, to the 5 feet at the bullpen)
it makes it harder to change the established angle.

Compare that to USC, where the bowl goes horizontal to the foul
line until after passing the infield, and it then takes a hard angle towards the foul line, and then rides the line with a wall.



Now here are some pictures from around the nation that gave me ideas

FSU Outside, Would love to have a Nice Entrance
with brick or other material to reach up to the roofline.


Baylor Outside


Some Ideas for gate and fence work , I could see the Stadium Name
written out in a nice Font, and the main entrance way Having an Iron Gate with a baseball with the Baseball MS in the middle, Other entrances having Interlocking bats like this


Arkansas Gates




Sample Signage from USC


Next from USC again,
Take note of how deep and back the dugouts are.
If anything was going to be done with this, it would of been better done when the drainage work is being done..oh well.
Also note the lower seating right behind home plate, two rows.










Here is how the seating wraps, but I would extend ours all the way to the top, where it would meet a skybox, instead of adding the grillin space USC has.


Two more outsides
Texas A&M planned renovations (See the same Upper deck supports like we have, but they a Nice front covering everything up)


and University of Texas Disch Faulk
Its a Nice park, and entrance
 

TheBigDA

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didn't know where that had originally come from.

agree on your two points. to me bullpens are the most wasted real estate in the park. hard to place.
i get your point on the stands, but think it shows a good example of the possibilities.
I would also put party decks on the two ends of the skybox area grandstands (ala Redbird and Trustmark parks).
I think Ole Miss hit a homerun with their club deck. I think if we build a new stadium it would be great
to have a club level with skyboxes on top.
 

TDAWG.sixpack

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I dont think it is a terrible idea. If the field were to be moved then they could shorten the fence and let the softball team play on it (Crazy idea i know). Then another spot could be found for the baseball team.
Note: I would not be in favor of this if the new location was not excellent. We have a good spot now and would not want to inherit a bad location just for a new stadium.
 

saltybulldog

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with some strategically placed daffodils the place would look great. Screw all this zany talk about adding seats and making these expensive upgrades. Daffodils...we need more daffodils. Oh yeah, and huge space needle randomly placed somewhere outside the stadium. The best location would be in the outfield where the sun hits it and blinds the batter. That way we could then build some odd looking green wall to hide it.
 

af102

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I'm surprised no one has said anything about the park in memphis. It is well done and is built in a hole. it takes the aspects of curving the stands, but leaves the outfield free except it is in downtown, so its not free
 

vhdawg

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....was in not expanding the grandstands UP before adding the skyboxes. With the way it's shoehorned in currently, if we were ever to extend the grandstands down the foul lines to replace the bleachers, we would lose a tremendous amount of seating.
 
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I personally listened to the ninga's take on upgrading the dude. He was having a conversation with my dad's college roommate that played from 75' to 79'. Byrne said that he was going to sit back and let everyone finish their new stadiums / renovations and then blow them all away with renovations to the dude. Grandstands to each foul pole with a complete renovation of concourse area and, also talk of sky boxes above the LFL trailers. Just relaying the info that was talked about in my presence. There were more details talked about, but he definitely has a vision of what he wants to make happen at the dude.

edit: Also spoke of a major upgrade regarding the aesthetics (curb appeal) from the outside view of stadium
 

Todd4State

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but I do have to wonder how they're going to put skyboxes over the LFL?

Maybe they're going to do something sort of like Wrigley Field with Wrigleyville with some type of building with a skybox on top? The good thing about that is it would cover up all of the white buildings that we have to paint green and maybe we could take down the Leadco Monster in CF.

Maybe it could be like a very small condo with a party room in the bottom, and some type of seating on the second level so that the game could be watched over the LFL.

Another idea is something the Cardinals have at Busch Stadium. They have something called the Infield Redbird Club, which is sort of a step or two down from the luxury box folks. But, what they do is they have a big indoor, air conditioned concourse with concessions and an item or two that other fans can't get. Then they have an entire section outside in front of the concourse so that you can enjoy the game outside or inside.

Along those lines, I can envision a huge concourse that spans the length of the OF with concession stands that is indoors and air conditioned on the lower level and then has a bunch of seats on the higher level above the LFL.
 

Bulldog Backer

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Keyser Soze said:
I personally listened to the ninga's take on upgrading the dude. He was having a conversation with my dad's college roommate that played from 75' to 79'. Byrne said that he was going to sit back and let everyone finish their new stadiums / renovations and then blow them all away with renovations to the dude. Grandstands to each foul pole with a complete renovation of concourse area and, also talk of sky boxes above the LFL trailers. Just relaying the info that was talked about in my presence. There were more details talked about, but he definitely has a vision of what he wants to make happen at the dude.

edit: Also spoke of a major upgrade regarding the aesthetics (curb appeal) from the outside view of stadium
Maybe even the ghost of Shoeless Joe Jackson!
 

Dinkle

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between the hump and dnf could they put like a sweet peppers not a big one ,but one with just a few tables. They only way i could see them putting sky boxes above LFL is if the structure containing the sky boxes is on stilts on columns. I like the idea of the condos,but would the school get profits from this or private companies? heres how i look at it