can you people please admit at this point that it's not going to happen with him as our AD?
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I'll admit it's not going to happen with him, just like it didn't happen with CM, just like it didn't happen with Hagan, just like it didn't happen with Ivy.
It was better than this with all those guys. UK has never lost more games in a 5 year period than the last 5 years.
It won't happen because our genius fans will point to AD's that have failed in the past and use the "well he's bad, but we can't do any better" approach that we have perfected over the years as our reason for not firing inept coaches and administrators.
Previous failure is not an excuse for current failure. Otherwise, why not just drop the damn program?
You hit the nail on the head. Sometimes I think Barney has some realtives posting here.
You joke but I swear, I think he has plants on all these sites. There is no other way to explain the way some guys support his continual failure.
You can bet at real SEC football schools that stoops would be gone.
First off, Mitch Barnhart isn't going anywhere. I've said on many occasions that he is a University Presidents dream. It doesn't mean that he shoulodn't be held responsible for his mishaps as AD, it just means he's not going anywhere. Secondly, I never said someone can't come in here and turn around our luck in football, but history has shown (over the last 40 years with 4 Athletic Directors) that we suck in football. We have had a winning record in the SEC ONCE (without cheating) since 1965. ONCE in 50 years. As for the losses over 5 years, we would have easily matched it had we played 12 games a year in past seasons.
I know, I know, I am making excuses. Look, I'm as pissed as you are. But the idea that we can just change AD's and our luck will change when the past FIFTY YEARS has shown us that we cannot compete in our own conference isn't just bad luck, it's a trent, a long, pathetic trend.
That's my point Konner. As long as we think like losers, that's all we'll be.
I posted last week in a thread that this isn't true either. Look at AD's at LSU, Bama and Ole Miss during their down years. Did their AD lose the job bad hire after bad hire? Nope. It doesn't happen as frequently as people think it does.
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Your wrong man. The right guy can fix this. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. He's had 14 years, it's time to step aside.
Your wrong man. The right guy can fix this. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. He's had 14 years, it's time to step aside.
I would love to be wrong, trust me. We've been changing coaches and AD's for 50 years now with the same results. It's like %^$#^& Groundhog Day.
Hell, look at what Miles is going thru down at LSU....... UK is a football coaches dream, great pay, great stadium, great facilities, great fans, zero expectations of winning in SEC.
Barnhart is not smart enough to get football right! While he was at Tennessee and Oregon State, you would think he would know. But he is not qualified to make the choice. Way too many hiring mistakes.
The funny thing is, he made 1 hire as an AD prior to coming to Kentucky and that was Dennis Erickson, who took OSU to the Fiesta Bowl in year 2.
The powers behind the curtain at UK always find an AD who will try and do what they ask:, and that is to keep UK on top of the college basketball world and do enough with football to keep most of the seats at Commonwealth Stadium filled so we can fund the non-revenue sports. In one sport it is to be on top and in the other it is to get by. We don't just need a different AD we need a new set of priorities. There is NO reason UK can not have a winning football program. We need an AD and football coach who will not accept a losing football team. I believe CMS needs more time but he needs to make some serious changes in his assistants. Mitch simply has to go, the sooner the better. We don't need the cleanest program in America; we need to elevate football and demand a winning program. CMS recruits like no other coach since Bear Bryant but he needs help on the sidelines and in game preparation. Also, our players just do not seem to muscle up like those of other major schools; so I am not sold on our conditioning program. JMHO
I don't profess to know anything about why we suck so bad at football... I just know that I have been a good fan for many a year... Don't have the numbers but think that in the late 90's UK had 25-30K season ticket buying fans... Loyal fanbase... Along came MB... Decided that if we wanted a SEC football program then, damn'it, we would have to pay for it... So ask yourself, are we better off now??? If you answered no.... Then how does he/Barnhart get a pass?
Well he don't in my world....
Well he don't in my world....
But barny has never made a good hire of his own volition. He was forced to hire cal and hired brooks out of desperation because he dropped the ball. The rest have allsucked.
The "forced to hire Cal" thing still cracks me up and the desperation hire of Brooks...no one wanted to come here. We were going on probation. He went after Bill Parcells for crying out loud. It's not like he wasn't trying to make a big time hire, it's that no one wanted it. Look, he's made some bad hires, I agree with that, but to give him zero credit for the good hires and all the credit for the bad hires shows a bias.
Barney OWNS this mess. It's bad enough to hire losers, it's even worse to send the armored car to a horrible coach halfway through year 2 and mortgage your entire future. Now UK has no options.
This entire debacle falls on Barney's shoulders.
This entire debacle falls on Barney's shoulders.
Insulting the fans, mortgaging our future with the ridiculous extension...those are facts and those are clear indicators of ineptness.
He gets no credit for Cal. Had he hired him first, he would. He wanted Gillispie. He had to hire Cal the second time.
I don't know that our luck would change with another AD but our luck hasn't changed with him either.... UK can keep Barney, Stoops & Co... That's their business/decision
But if people don't wanna pay to watch it then that their money/business also..........
Not arguing either of those things. Like i have mentioned a million times, he's not going anywhere. He does way too much good in the eyes of a University President to outweigh the negatives.
Lee Todd wouldn't even let him consider Mitch when Tubby left. This has been proven over and over again.
FORCED TO HIRE CALIPARI thats not even the half of it. Barny hated Cal. Even the idea of a Cal. So get off it. Barny desetves no defending. He has done a horrific job.
Regardless of bad hires, it was Barney that gave Stoops the ridiculous extension.
Isn't the rifle team sold out for the season, waiting list for season tickets
Maybe not, but omitting them while accusing someone else of being biased is a bit hypocritical. Barney absolutely OWNS this debacle, plain and simple.
None of those guys had the recourses to win that this AD does. I don't k is why you wont cede that.
Absolutely not true, and I've personally spoken with a man that was involved.i e said his name enough now, I won't continue. Mitch did not want john Calipari. Absolutely did not want him. calipari does not want Mitch in charge of basketball, thus Mitch is not in charge. peevy is factually in charge of basketball. Mitch does not get to put that hire under his belt.
Don't peddle something as fact when your facts don't represent the truth.