Bart Hyche shares his thoughts on Rick Ray

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Bart wrote this last night/this morning. Good read.


Hello again fellow Dawgs. I felt it was time for me to speak out on the state of our basketball program. This team laid an egg last night against Georgia and it was very evident that no one was there to see it. Kind of like the day the "not so famous" Rick Ray took the job and didn't know how to ring a cowbell. I wonder what it felt like for our kids to run out of the tunnel last nite to see less people than they saw at the Union during lunch. Fortunately, I never had to experience that. I wonder if Coach Ray and his staff felt supported. Hmmmm....different angle huh.

Let me begin by making one thing clear. He was not my choice. I wasn't happy when I heard the news we had hired a guy who had never been a head coach and had no idea about recruiting the state of Mississippi. Like all of you, I was skeptical. Very skeptical. I still haven't formally met him by the way. I didn't think he would win an SEC game last year and I certainly didn't expect him to win four. Especially with no one behind him. I thought he should have gotten votes for coach of the year with what he had to work with. And yes, I'm dead serious.

It's time to make a stand. Whether you agree or not I really don't care, I'm just keeping it real (like I did two years ago). Give the guy a freakin' chance people. He can coach. All of you should go to a practice and see what I mean. There is actually teaching going on from the head coach for the first time in a long time in The Hump. And his kids would run out into traffic for him. There is something to be said for that nowadays believe me. Instead of crying about the good ole days when we underachieved with an IMMENSE level of talent, why not get behind this team and appreciate how far RR has brought this program since he took over. He is 14-11 after inheriting an absolute disaster with no time to go after any players. The problem here is not with the coach or the administration. It is with our fair-weather fan base who is still satisfied with beating Ole Miserable, winning the West (and an occasional SEC tourney) and never getting past the second round of the dance. I said it two years ago, so if you missed it pay attention this time. That's wasn't good enough... because unfortunately the Final Four set the bar for this program. Period.

How can we expect RR to be successful with no support ? This coach and these kids deserve more than what they are getting from the MSU family. We expect this guy to recruit and get big time guys, but players won't come to The Hump if the think no one will be there to watch them. The attendance this year is appalling and I included should be ashamed I haven't been there more (even if it is 8 hours round trip). Believe me I am no better than any of you. The only difference is that I am taking responsibility for it. Time to call a spade a spade. Me included.

This team actually has a chance at post season play and we all should marvel at the fact that we are two players away from being pretty good this soon. We were patient with Mullen and Cohen weren't we?? To build a basketball team you must solidify each position with good players 1 thru 5 then add a couple of role players. He has five opportunities to do that after the season. Three of those are already complete. We have no shooters and no defensive presence in the post. If those two are added this team will be pretty dang good...especially defensively. Let's talk about how much Chicken (Sword's nickname for those still following football recruiting) has developed since Wes Flanigan arrived in Starkville. Or how about the fact that we have a legitimate point guard who is a leader with a big time future (Wes Flanagan recruit btw). Gavin Ware can play but he needs another big along side him to take some pressure off. Let's focus on the good things and give this staff a full recruiting season to develop a nucleus. There are some pieces in place already. RR has been our coach for five minutes and all I here is he isn't winning. Give the man some time!!! And don't give me that our only players are Stans recruits...no one wants to talk about why recruits and (at the time) current players didn't keep their commitments. Trust me. IJ Ready is gonna be a star and was recruited by a guy who knows what it takes at this level. I know because I had to play against him. Wes will be a solid head coach one day. And when he gets a head job RR will have put the same amount of assistants into head jobs as Stans did. And I'm being very generous including Phil Cunningham getting the Troy job because of our former leader. It only took 15 years. Tell you anything?

Anyone understand we were behind in the recruiting game when these guys were hired last year? I don't know whether this program will be where we want it to be in two years, but it's time to rally behind them and show them the same sort of affection I was shown when we went 12-18 the year after the Final Four. It just isn't fair. Bobby Knight would have had a hard time being 14-11 right now with 8 scholarship players. And don't even get me started on where our previous coach would be sitting right now if he would have inherited the mess this program was left in. Looks like to me we got spoiled with winning 20 games and folding come March and April. Again, not good enough for me. "Oh, but we got a bad draw and had to play Texas in Dallas when we were a 3 seed". Life isn't fair people.

I know many don't agree and I really don't care. Haters are gonna hate so go right ahead. STILL keeping it real.

Here's an idea. One week from Saturday is MSU alumni basketball weekend. How about coming out and battling with this team instead of giving up on them. Last year (for the first time in 20 years) we were all asked to return by the current staff and celebrate the time we had in my beloved Starkville. Many of us have an enormous amount sweat equity in that place and know what it means to wear the maroon and white. I'll be the first to admit that I didn't always represent our school with the most dignity and I am sorry for that. I truly am. I should have done better for you guys, but God had a different plan that I wouldn't change in a second. But there was never a time I ran out of that tunnel where I didn't feel like the Bulldawg nation was behind me. I actually saw people in the seats. I feel sorry for these kids. RR has involved the former players that make up the tradition of Mississippi State and that is the foundation for building a program. Sorry,people but that's the truth anywhere. Kids have to see faces in person not ghosts on the wall. I will be there next weekend and so will many former players that took pride in wearing the Maroon and White. It would be nice if these kids had a full house behind them against Arkansas at least once this season. Don't do it for those of us who will be coming back; do it for these kids who are working their butts off and are trying to build for the future. Let's show them why The Hump is the hardest place to play in the league when we show up.

Bravo Rick Ray and how far this program has come since you have been in Starkville. This team has fallen on hard times the last couple of weeks and instead of yelling about what should or shouldn't have been done two years ago, we need to rally behind these kids and prove to them that we are all still here. Staying stuck in the problem gets no one anywhere...EVER.

News Flash: Stans is gone and isn't coming back. So get over it and be a true MSU basketball fan no matter who is walking the sidelines. I love this University and just couldn't keep hearing all the negativity. I hope to see you all next weekend. Go Dawgs!!!

-Former MSU Player Bart Hyche
 

thf24

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Now let's see how many will still claim that Ray can't coach even when a former player tells them he can.
 

engie

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Great read and some interesting perspective. He brings up several good points. Good to see someone take a positive, pro-active approach toward it rather than just throwing in the towel....
 

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I agree with Bart's general perspective. It is frustrating to watch some of the poor play at times even if the kids are hustling. We have made a bunch of bonehead plays, but guess what? Our more talented teams made alot of bonehead plays as well. They just covered those up with talent and flashes of athleticism that got the fan base energized. I think everyone agrees that the talent level is down, but we have a decent core for RR to build on. Let's support our team because they are practicing hard and playing on guts. I would also throw the gauntlet out to the administration because the seating is terrible with the student section on the wrong end of the court for the second half of games. You want the opposing players to be facing our rowdiest crowd during the critical ending of games, and that doesn't include our alumni for the most part. Secondly, we need some kind of policy that all seats are open to students after the 5 min mark of the first period. If your seat is empty, then anyone can claim it. If a ticket holder shows up late, then the person can move to another empty seat. The administration needs to help fill the stadium instead of being satisfied with having sold season tickets to fans that don't show up. Like Bart said, we can all show up more than we have. You want RR to recruit better? How are you helping? The truth is that if RR doesn't reach post season play by 2016 then he's gone anyway so why not support what we have right now.
 

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Bart wrote this last night/this morning. Good read.


Hello again fellow Dawgs. I felt it was time for me to speak out on the state of our basketball program. This team laid an egg last night against Georgia and it was very evident that no one was there to see it. Kind of like the day the "not so famous" Rick Ray took the job and didn't know how to ring a cowbell. I wonder what it felt like for our kids to run out of the tunnel last nite to see less people than they saw at the Union during lunch. Fortunately, I never had to experience that. I wonder if Coach Ray and his staff felt supported. Hmmmm....different angle huh.

Let me begin by making one thing clear. He was not my choice. I wasn't happy when I heard the news we had hired a guy who had never been a head coach and had no idea about recruiting the state of Mississippi. Like all of you, I was skeptical. Very skeptical. I still haven't formally met him by the way. I didn't think he would win an SEC game last year and I certainly didn't expect him to win four. Especially with no one behind him. I thought he should have gotten votes for coach of the year with what he had to work with. And yes, I'm dead serious.

It's time to make a stand. Whether you agree or not I really don't care, I'm just keeping it real (like I did two years ago). Give the guy a freakin' chance people. He can coach. All of you should go to a practice and see what I mean. There is actually teaching going on from the head coach for the first time in a long time in The Hump. And his kids would run out into traffic for him. There is something to be said for that nowadays believe me. Instead of crying about the good ole days when we underachieved with an IMMENSE level of talent, why not get behind this team and appreciate how far RR has brought this program since he took over. He is 14-11 after inheriting an absolute disaster with no time to go after any players. The problem here is not with the coach or the administration. It is with our fair-weather fan base who is still satisfied with beating Ole Miserable, winning the West (and an occasional SEC tourney) and never getting past the second round of the dance. I said it two years ago, so if you missed it pay attention this time. That's wasn't good enough... because unfortunately the Final Four set the bar for this program. Period.

How can we expect RR to be successful with no support ? This coach and these kids deserve more than what they are getting from the MSU family. We expect this guy to recruit and get big time guys, but players won't come to The Hump if the think no one will be there to watch them. The attendance this year is appalling and I included should be ashamed I haven't been there more (even if it is 8 hours round trip). Believe me I am no better than any of you. The only difference is that I am taking responsibility for it. Time to call a spade a spade. Me included.

This team actually has a chance at post season play and we all should marvel at the fact that we are two players away from being pretty good this soon. We were patient with Mullen and Cohen weren't we?? To build a basketball team you must solidify each position with good players 1 thru 5 then add a couple of role players. He has five opportunities to do that after the season. Three of those are already complete. We have no shooters and no defensive presence in the post. If those two are added this team will be pretty dang good...especially defensively. Let's talk about how much Chicken (Sword's nickname for those still following football recruiting) has developed since Wes Flanigan arrived in Starkville. Or how about the fact that we have a legitimate point guard who is a leader with a big time future (Wes Flanagan recruit btw). Gavin Ware can play but he needs another big along side him to take some pressure off. Let's focus on the good things and give this staff a full recruiting season to develop a nucleus. There are some pieces in place already. RR has been our coach for five minutes and all I here is he isn't winning. Give the man some time!!! And don't give me that our only players are Stans recruits...no one wants to talk about why recruits and (at the time) current players didn't keep their commitments. Trust me. IJ Ready is gonna be a star and was recruited by a guy who knows what it takes at this level. I know because I had to play against him. Wes will be a solid head coach one day. And when he gets a head job RR will have put the same amount of assistants into head jobs as Stans did. And I'm being very generous including Phil Cunningham getting the Troy job because of our former leader. It only took 15 years. Tell you anything?

Anyone understand we were behind in the recruiting game when these guys were hired last year? I don't know whether this program will be where we want it to be in two years, but it's time to rally behind them and show them the same sort of affection I was shown when we went 12-18 the year after the Final Four. It just isn't fair. Bobby Knight would have had a hard time being 14-11 right now with 8 scholarship players. And don't even get me started on where our previous coach would be sitting right now if he would have inherited the mess this program was left in. Looks like to me we got spoiled with winning 20 games and folding come March and April. Again, not good enough for me. "Oh, but we got a bad draw and had to play Texas in Dallas when we were a 3 seed". Life isn't fair people.

I know many don't agree and I really don't care. Haters are gonna hate so go right ahead. STILL keeping it real.

Here's an idea. One week from Saturday is MSU alumni basketball weekend. How about coming out and battling with this team instead of giving up on them. Last year (for the first time in 20 years) we were all asked to return by the current staff and celebrate the time we had in my beloved Starkville. Many of us have an enormous amount sweat equity in that place and know what it means to wear the maroon and white. I'll be the first to admit that I didn't always represent our school with the most dignity and I am sorry for that. I truly am. I should have done better for you guys, but God had a different plan that I wouldn't change in a second. But there was never a time I ran out of that tunnel where I didn't feel like the Bulldawg nation was behind me. I actually saw people in the seats. I feel sorry for these kids. RR has involved the former players that make up the tradition of Mississippi State and that is the foundation for building a program. Sorry,people but that's the truth anywhere. Kids have to see faces in person not ghosts on the wall. I will be there next weekend and so will many former players that took pride in wearing the Maroon and White. It would be nice if these kids had a full house behind them against Arkansas at least once this season. Don't do it for those of us who will be coming back; do it for these kids who are working their butts off and are trying to build for the future. Let's show them why The Hump is the hardest place to play in the league when we show up.

Bravo Rick Ray and how far this program has come since you have been in Starkville. This team has fallen on hard times the last couple of weeks and instead of yelling about what should or shouldn't have been done two years ago, we need to rally behind these kids and prove to them that we are all still here. Staying stuck in the problem gets no one anywhere...EVER.

News Flash: Stans is gone and isn't coming back. So get over it and be a true MSU basketball fan no matter who is walking the sidelines. I love this University and just couldn't keep hearing all the negativity. I hope to see you all next weekend. Go Dawgs!!!

-Former MSU Player Bart Hyche

Amen
 

AHSDawg

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Just to be a devil's advocate... doesn't sound like Hyche did much supporting of our previous coach... Pot, Kettle...
 

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After the Ole Miss win, I felt that maybe we had turned a corner and that Ray was the right hire. Getting skulldragged at home by bad teams does not instill confidence. Having multiple 20 point losses does not instill confidence. Not having any big name recruits seriously considering us does not instill confidence.

Winning comes first. Win and the fans will come. Is that fair? Probably not but it is reality. Name me a bad SEC team that draws good crowds.
 

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Strong and I agree wholeheartedly. I'm going to humble brag about my fannness and say that I've been to over half of our home games this year which is about par for the course for my attendance through the years and it's pretty pitiful the support. I think some of this has to do with the great success of our baseball team recently. After football, people are just waiting until February now. It's hard to support all 3 major sports from a fans perspective at MSU. It's just reality. 2 out of 3 is best our fans atm are willing to do. Basketball at MSU is easy to pass over when you've got a baseball team just waiting for you to support that is gunning for a national championship

Also, Attendance sucks in all of SEC because SEC basketball is not elite. In Football and Baseball the SEC dominates and the quality of play is elite. SEC basketball... not so much at all. It's just not a great brand as whole to attract attendance. Ours is bad and among the worst this year probably, but everyone elses sucks too sans UK and UF
 
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You're not playing devil's advocate.

The ******** is strong in his little write-up. Got an axe to grind do ya there, Bart? Some cheese with that whine?

Bart, your post would probably be received a little better if your disdain for our former coach didn't come thru so blatantly. I'm sorry you weren't invited back while he was our coach. Sounds like that's eaten at you for quite some time.
 

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You don't have to be a chef to know whether or not dinner is good.

He was talking about what he saw RR teaching in practice. I'd say that evaluating practice requires some BB knowledge as opposed to just observing the game results which fits your analogy. You do need to at least know this to evaluate practice:

 

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It seems like this former player has an axe to grind with his former coach. I don't have a problem with him asking for support for the team and coach, but that won't solve the problems on the court. We played with effort the whole game against Kentucky. Last night, after the first 10 minutes, not so much. We have several fundamental problems on defense, like blocking out and rolling to help. We give up way too many easy baskets. We have had a tough time on offense primarily because of being poor outside shooters, but at the beginning of the year we were working down the clock and taking higher percentage shots. Ray talked about having to play offense that way for us to be successful. We didn't do much of that at all last night, especially when we got behind. There are issues with this team that fall outside a simple lack of talent. Whether it's coaching, or just bad execution, it falls on Ray's shoulders. I'm behind him and hope things turn around, but we have some major problems right now.
 

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So many of you still have Stans' dick in your mouth. Get over it already. He doesn't even come to any games or show any support of MSU anymore. Why should you to him? Rick Ray is a very good coach. We just have awful players. Next year will be different. It will be way better. We have Fallou and Travis that will be able to play. Not to mention, we are probably going to get the #1 player in the country. But hey, RR can't recruit right? Webster is looking for a coach that can develop his son to get him to the pros. RR is going a good job of developing the crap he has right now. I have never seen Stans constantly yelling and standing during a game like RR does. He never ever stops coaching. It isn't his fault. It took Cohen 4 years to be halfway decent. This is the middle of RR's 2nd. Get off him and give him time.

As for the attendance that Hyche speaks of, there is no argument against the students. The student attendance has been phenomenal the past several games. it is the alumni and other parts of the Hump that are empty. There might have been 1800 fans not counting students and UGA fans there last night. The student section was absolutely packed for Florida, UK, and last night. So don't blame that on the students like you tried to do during football.
 

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Overanalyze much?

I'm sorry but can you please show me where I mentioned Stansbury? Also, please link a posts of mine talking **** about Ray.

You probably will find more than a few where I say I like him and hope he can get it done.

That article, Bart, sucked. Sorry, the truth hurts.
 

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Quick Question from an outsider....

When you say:
Rick Ray is a very good coach.

What do you base that on? Obviously you think Stans was terrible, so how do you judge Ray? From your post, it seems you are judging him on:
I have never seen Stans constantly yelling and standing during a game like RR does.

I mean, if you like constant yelling and standing, Frank Martin must be your favorite coach in America. or maybe Pat Knight, depending on where he is coaching now.

I think saying that it is too early to judge Rick Ray is a totally fair thing to say, but doesn't that have to go both ways? Isn't it too early to say he is a "very good coach". I mean, if it's too early to say he is terrible, it would seem to be too early to say he is a very good coach.

Also, Cohen's Super Regional team in year 3 says you have no idea how hard it is to make a super regional and that getting there is halfway decent.
 

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Being a college coach is a lot more than X's and O's. Recruiting is massively huge. If a coach can't sell the program to recruits and their parents then he won't win even if he had a brain transplant from Coach K.

I don't think most realistic fans expected much this year but lack of effort and dumb play like in last nights game are unforgivable. Fans just want to see effort and good fundamentals at this point, basically the opposite of what Stansbury gave us his last couple of years.
 

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Like you did when we were 4-6?

I was begging for Croom to come back and not showing up at games?

Ahh -- you mean when I didn't "believe" we could put together by far our best win in about 45 games -- as an underdog -- against our rival -- with a true freshman QB? Glad I was wrong -- and I have frequently said as much. Hey -- Mullen did what I clearly stated had to happen for me to get back on the fence at the end of the year. Of course, that was followed by a nice little whiff to end recruiting -- but appears to be manifesting as positive momentum for 2015.

Careful throwing stones -- lest we have a sixpack rewind with your early posts about Cohen.
 

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He's a former player who has watched practice yet never met RR? How does that happen? He says that he has seen 'teaching' going on in practice yet he has never met him? That's a weird statement to me. Frankly, I look at that from this perspective.

Why would our Coach that is trying to develop a winning program not invite in a former player that has been to the mountaintop of a Final Four?

Or it seems to be like Hyche might have 'walked through' the gym while practice was going on and is making a HUGE generalization about the quality of coaching going on in practice.... And if that is the case, exactly how many times did Hyche witness practice lately under RS?

I hope that RR does work out. I really do. I want all MSU programs to be successful. However, this douchey letter screams of a Romaro Miller type note. Only Hyche actually seems to have a hair up his butt with prejudice about RS which makes me not give a crap about what he has to say. If that is the case, he cannot tell me to cheer on our MSU coaches without prejudice because he sure as hell doesn't seem to be able to.
 

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I was begging for Croom to come back and not showing up at games?

Ahh -- you mean when I didn't "believe" we could put together by far our best win in about 45 games -- as an underdog -- against our rival -- with a true freshman QB? Glad I was wrong -- and I have frequently said as much. Hey -- Mullen did what I clearly stated had to happen for me to get back on the fence at the end of the year. Of course, that was followed by a nice little whiff to end recruiting -- but appears to be manifesting as positive momentum for 2015.

Careful throwing stones -- lest we have a sixpack rewind with your early posts about Cohen.

Did you clearly state that before or after you said we needed to fire Mullen and hire Hud NOW before someone else grabbed him? I guess it would be hard to meet end of the year expectations when you are fired mid-season. Feel free to dig up posts of me dogging Cohen. There might be a couple. But please make sure you segment your reply to counterpoint everything I have said while capitalizing random words. I love it when you do THAT!
 

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Georgia's coach saying his team would get to Starkville if they had to walk tells me me something- that they saw an easy road victory and would come get it no matter what.
THAT is what disturbs me about this team.
I want to support this team, but have a hard time taking the family, while doling out ridiculous amounts of money for crap ARAMARK concessions , have to deal w aggressive ticket nazis asking for tickets when I am
Sitting 5 feet from where she is posted, and then watch melt downs like we did vs Georgia.
My optimism meter is on empty right now.

Crap- I went to the Vandy game and their games day environment was MUCH better than the Hump is right now-& that is sad. That should NOT be happening
 

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There were many games during the Stans era that were lost at the free throw line. Bart mentioned bobby Knight, and that's interesting. Knight said during a recent broadcast, that any player could improve at the line by shooting 100 FT's at the end of practice. Obviously, that simple activity totally escaped Stans, as all of his teams were piss-poor at the line.
Strength training was also lacking in the Stans era. Remember Varnado's comments when he was getting ready to play after graduation? He said he was doing strength training for the first time in his career. Talented, under-achieving teams were the hallmark of Stans-teams. All of this reflects poor coaching methods. He did well in the one area that most criticize RR for- and that's recruiting.

After discussing, dissecting, and critically analyzing everything that happened at the end of the Stans-era, the fact is that our team is still under-manned, tired, and lacking talent. Does RR get a fair chance to right the ship? Of course. How long? The answer is measurable only in tangible terms of total W's, Signature W's, and advancement in post season play. My guess is the 2016 season. By then, if we are still not getting the measurables, then the soul-searching truly begins.
 

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You're talking about practice man.....

He was talking about what he saw RR teaching in practice. I'd say that evaluating practice requires some BB knowledge as opposed to just observing the game results which fits your analogy. You do need to at least know this to evaluate practice:



We’re sitting here talking about practice, not a game, but we’re talking about practice. Not the game that we go out there and die for and play every game like it’s the last but we’re talking about practice man. How silly is that?
 

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There were many games during the Stans era that were lost at the free throw line. Bart mentioned bobby Knight, and that's interesting. Knight said during a recent broadcast, that any player could improve at the line by shooting 100 FT's at the end of practice. Obviously, that simple activity totally escaped Stans, as all of his teams were piss-poor at the line.

Bobby Knight was a great coach, but he's an insufferable blowhard now. If it was as simple as shooting 100 a day, every team in America would be stocked with 85% free throw shooters.
 

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Not that there's no benefit to shooting 100 free throws in a row, but that doesn't replicate the actual game experience. A better way to practice free throws is for the coach to blow the whistle at random times in practice, send a player to the line for 2 shots, and if he doesn't make both, run a few sprints.
 

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So, let me get this right.

We have no talent, much less any depth, and players that we have couldn't throw a ball into the back of a pickup truck if they were standing on the bumper and it the FAN'S fault? I don't know that much about basketball but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night and it seems to me that Rick Ray (whom I like, BTW) is pretty good at coaching players up once they get here but he, so far, hasn't been able to attract talented players. I appreciate the apparent discipline he has brought to the players but "coaching up" can only go so far.

A coach can usually only move a player, in basically any sport, about 3 rungs up a 10-rung ladder. If the players coming in are already on rung 6 or 7, then he will have a fantastic team. On the other hand, if the players coming in are on rung 3 or 4, then they're never going to beat the teams with the higher talented players on a consistent basis which is what it takes to win (or even compete for) championships. I'm not disrespecting our players - they have way more talent that I would ever have had and I sincerely believe that (mostly) they're doing the best that they can. But that's the problem, isn't it? They're doing the best that they can and it isn't good enough.

As for Hyche scolding all of us bad, unappreciative fans, he should get his own house in order with respect to game attendance before telling the rest of us how it should be done. If I depended on a large group of enthusiastic supporters cheering me on and yelling encouragement to me to do the job I am expected to do everyday, it would be great but that's not the way the world works.

I can guarantee you that if the product on the floor is worthy of the amount of money and time that we fans provide, the fans would be there in spades and the Hump would be packed. But why should we, as fans, continue to throw money and support to something that has virtually no chance of success? That's the definition of insanity (according to Albert Einstein) - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. Six losses in a row? Right. Thank you sir, may I have another?

I'm not ready to get rid of Rick Ray but I agree with a previous poster that next year will make it very clear whether we need to try something or someone else. I wish him the best and I really want him to succeed but if he doesn't, as Cam Newton said, "The money's too much" and we may need to go somewhere else like he did.
 

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Another way is for players to take enough pride that anything below 70% is an embarrassment, and practice on their own time.
 

shannondawg

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My memory of Him

In four years of trying , I don't think he was ever able to penetrate defenses for a lay up.

His best play was when he was in the final seconds and threw the ball in the air in our run to the final four..