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Todd4State

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I know that everyone is pissed at the baseball team and rightfully so. I'm pissed to. That said, the only thing the team can do is move forward and learn from their mistakes.

I briefly glanced at SEMO State and Michigan State's stats and schedules, so this prview will be Athlon quality at best.

I think SEMO State may be what we need right now- which is a team that on paper that we SHOULD beat- like SELU. But that may be good for our players to win and get some confidence back and move forward. I'm sure after last weekend, they want to get out on the field and play and try to put the past behind them. Looking at the stats, I think SEMO State is a team that isn't all that great. They have some decent pitching stats until you look at K/BB ratio. They have a lot of pitchers that have control issues. Because of that, I think it's going to be very important for our hitters to be patient and not swing at pitches out of the zone and get themselves out. If there ever were a time for the team to channel their inner Raffo, this weekend would be a good time to do that. I did notice that SEMO State is indeed pitching their ace who has an ERA below 2.00 and has beaten Auburn, and we will counter with Nick Routt, which I think is a good move by Cohen because we can not afford a loss at this point in the year, and I think Friday is a must win for us. And as far as their ace- despite his sub 2.00 ERA, he still has 9K's to 9 BB's. So even against him, we have to be patient. If we are patient, we should be able to cause him to throw a lot of pitches, and then we can do some things on the basepaths because hopefully we will have runners on board.

Michigan State looks like a pretty solid team. They have some good hitting stats, but don't have a whole lot of power. They have lost to Clemson and Louisville- two pretty good teams. I suspect that we will throw Stratton possibly against their ace, as they play SEMO State on Fri., and I suspect that since they likely know that the Redhawks aren't throwing their ace, they may save theirs for us. I think this will be a good test for our team, and again very important for our team in terms of showing progress.

Also, as far as the game that was delayed against South Alabama- I have to wonder if Cohen and Steve Kittrell, USA's coach, didn't amiacably decide to delay the game. That was a blessing for us in my opinion because it allowed us to take a bit of a break and work on some things- namely defense- and kind of give our team a chance to catch its breath and evaluate themselves going forward. USA also hs struggled this year some, and I think the day off may have helped them in the long run as well. Which is why I think the delay could be mutual. I do know that the day that the game was supposed to be played, that the team had a big practice outdoors and indoors working on defense.

Lastly, one thing that is encouraging to me is that Cohen is identifying some problems- namely not relaxing- instead of blaming the fans for putting too much pressure on the players. Cohen understands that as a baseball player, when you play in a high level league, you will play in front of a lot of people. And I consider the SEC a high level league. It's an unavoidable thing. And it's something that the players have to deal with. Now, why are the players so uptight? I honestly don't know, but I do suspect that the competitive atmosphere that Cohen has created- in other words, you screw up, you sit- may have something to do with it. I'm not saying that competition is a bad thing at all, and again it is something that the players have to deal with. I don't know how Cohen will deal with it, and it's something that I will be watching for this weekend, but it may be something very simple as reassuring everyone who is starting that they will start the entire weekend no matter what. It may be giving positive encouragement, and it may be simply trying to make the game fun for the players. But that's why we're paying him to coach.

What I will be watching for:

1. I want to see the defense improve. No more than six errors the entire weekend for four games.

2. I want to see how Chris Stratton bounces back from a rough start. And I want the rest of the pitching staff to continue to perfrom reasonably well.

3. I want to see Devin Jones take the mantle of closer over the next two weeks. Either him or Ben Bracewell or CC Watson. Someone needs to step up.

4. I want to see our hitters be patient on balls that are up in the strike zone. We swung at a lot of pitches up out of the zone on last weekend.

5. I want to see us win at least three out of four.

Also, on a sidenote, I am hoping to go to the game tommorrow, so I will actually see the team in person hopefully for the first time this year, and I can maybe gauge some of their problems, strengths better than I can on M2M.
 

Reallybaddawg

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Hey Todd, I have a friend with a player on the USA team and he said they were actually on the bus to Starkville and had to turn around and go back to Mobile. Must have been last minute news to them
 

basedog

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I played, I coached and now I'm a fan watching sports, but there is one statement that I have never understood, "they are trying to hard". With all due respect Todd that ain't Msu baseball teams problem. How do you try to hard? Here is a good example about "talent", let's take Sneed and Butler, after 5 years neither are good fielders. They may have improved some but neither will ever be good fielders no matter how long or how hard they practice. Some do, some don't, so the point is one word for this team, lack of overall "talent". We have some pretty good young talent (mostly pitchers), our hitters and fielders are older guys. It's gonna take another year or two to really see what Cohen is gonna do at the Dudy.
I like most had high hopes for this team and they may turn out to be decent, but in reality look at the starters and you will see maybe one star and that beingConner Powers, the others are average players at best. Cohen has stated he can't get everything in one or two years cause we were way down on talent at Msu. Now for me, I want to see how much we improve as the year goes on, thats a good sign for coaching ability as well. I think we are a little above a .500 club, I was hoping for a regional but it's gonna take a tremendous hot streak during the season and I'm not sure we can string together a bunch of wins with this team.
 
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You have obviously never played at a high level. It is quite easy to try to hard, if you are looking over your shoulder because you know if you make one mistake you are pulled, then you are going to try to hard to not make that mistake, which in turn leads to said mistake. If you have played then you know that baseball is played at its best especially fielding when you are relaxed and have a clear mind. Not sitting at second base thinking oh my god, have to make this play otherwise I am getting pulled and might not see the light of day for the next three months. Now I dont think this necessarily happened because the Second Baseman and SS have been out there for more than a few errors. But you are crazy if you dont think there is such a thing as trying to hard.
 

basedog

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Call me crazy then! Yes I played college ball and I coached college ball. If you have to think about making a throw or how to swing then you will make a mistake. Trying to hard has nothing to do with making a play or hitting a ball, you either can or you can't. Players at whatever sport who have to worry they will get pulled for a mistake don't play at the next level, college or pro's! You teach and coach kids to play at their highest level, I've never had a kid I tried to teach or coach to "try to hard" just play hard and give 100%. Trying to hard should be set on automatic thinking and be natural not worrying about "Not" making a play for being pulled out of the game!
 

ExtremeDog

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Thanks for your in depth reporting.

Unlike 90% of the clowns on here, your posts have merit and make sense.
 

alabamadog

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The two losses they have are to good teams, but they were both blowouts. Its going to be interesting to see who is the extra starter this weekend.
 

Jackdragbean

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I see it daily. My son plays highschool baseball. The coach lets him bat once a game about every 3 games (sophmore).....he feels that he has to make an impression on the coach at every bat vs. those that get to hit 3 or 4 times a game. This in turn causes him to have some bad at bats. It's very frustrating. He plays in fall leagues where he is in the rotation and he hits damn good against very good competition. You can "try too hard." Call it choking or whatever, but if you feel your *** is on the line every time you get up to bat or while on the field, you tend to make mistakes. By the way, I'm not sure if this has anything to do with MSU baseball, but basedog is confused about what "trying too hard" means.
 
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I am glad your EMCC experience gave you the knowledge to know how people play at the highest level. But there are a lot more dynamics that go into it than saying Hey Buddy Give it A 100 Percent. Cohen has fostered an atomosphere of competition which is a good thing, but you are mistaken if you dont think that people cant try too hard, look at Rick Ankiel, Chuck Knoblauch, and Steve Blass, Mark Wholhers to name a few, started out with one mistake, started trying to hard and compounded into career ending problems. So you are wrong if you dont think that people at the highest levels dont think about these things and end up trying to hard at the highest level.
 

basedog

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"I am glad your EMCC experience gave you the knowledge to know how people play at the highest level."
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Trying to hard isn't the same thing as mental is it? Seems those guys had a mental problem not "oh ****" I hope I don't try to hard because they will take me out!

Hey, my point is trying to hard is "either you got it or you don't". Some of our baseball players don't have it, we need better players who aren't afraid of making mistakes because they trust there ability to make plays, not someone who "try's too hard"! Come on.
 

GloryDawg

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt">Todd came on and gave his opinion and I thought it was well thought out but then you self appointed experts came in and started thrashing him. Some of you can't help your selves. This is what you live for. If you played college baseball or coach college base ball I think you know what you are talking about, if not then what many of you spoofed out of your mouth is just horse ****. I don’t know much about college base ball and I will never act like I do but I enjoy watching Miss State and watching state for the past 20 years I know this, Polk left the program in **** mode and many of you act like Cohen has been here for five years. This is his second year and like I said when he got here the program was ****. Damn give him some time. So helost three games, I bet you he will win a few that he should not win. It is a long season and I feel that it is heading in the right direction.Damn be happy and think positive every once in a while.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </span>Life is to damn short.</p>
 

basedog

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"basedog is confused about what "trying too hard" means"
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Maybe so. But Sneed or Butler can "try to hard" forever and I don't see them getting better as fielders, thats my point about experienced players who have played for 3 or 4 years but continue to make errors.
 
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You are a tard, nobody said that Sneed or Butler were trying too hard, your post stated that you cant try too hard. Which is patently false, and now you have stooped to demeaning a mans child whom he was giving as an example, just as I did with Major Leaguers. I am glad your experience at Scooba taught you so much baseball and gave you such a good education.</p>
 

basedog

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**** post by trying to be a funny man, I don't have a problem with anyone saying "he is trying to hard", I pretty much said I didn't like or don't understand that statement. I didn't 'demean" anyones son ****-***! If anyone demeaned anyone it was your dumb-*** remark about EMCC! I just stated what I thought. As far as Sneed and Butler my whole point to Todd was we need better talent! I didn't disagree with Todd just made a statement, nothing more or nothing less, your the one who got his panties in a wad!
Now what funny man?
 

Jackdragbean

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Where did you demean my son? Not sure what bill is talking about now. Thought you said good point....as far as Sneed and Butler.....uh yeah, the "trying too hard" example really isn't their problem. They just suck in the field.
 

basedog

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Thank you Jack, I can understand what you are saying about your son, some folks can't read very well.