Baseball Scoring Question...

[drt7891]

For any of you who scorekeep or know how, I have a question. Yesterday, there was a play (in case you don't remember) where the batter hit a line drive into center field and CT came up to try to make a diving catch. CT missed and the ball got behind him. The runner stretches a single (had CT just cut it off) into 3 bases. Would that be scored a triple? I want to say it is, because it wasn't an error, but had CT cut it off, he would have limited the runner to most likely a single.

Any ideas on that?

 

[patdog]

If it's not an error, it's a triple. You could call it a single and a 2-base error, but if no error was charged, it's a triple.

 

[CadaverDawg]

It was a single with a two base error on CT...or should have been ruled that way.

 

[CadaverDawg]

If it's not an error, it's a triple. You could call it a single and a 2-base error, but if no error was charged, it's a triple.

Beat me to it.

 

[drt7891]

That's what I was thinking. I have enjoyed keeping score, but I can't say I have come across a play like that. Most diving catches are either made or, if it's missed, there is really no questions what it is. That one I questioned because had CT played it differently, it would not have been 3 bases.

 

[drt7891]

I would not have ruled the missed catch an error simply because a) he had a small chance of making the catch b) it was a really tough play to make, but he still had a chance to make it. I don't know anyone (nor do I) charge errors unless it's blatant bases were given up because of a mistake, and I don't think that play was a mistake... just a tough play to make.

 

[CadaverDawg]

That's what I was thinking. I have enjoyed keeping score, but I can't say I have come across a play like that. Most diving catches are either made or, if it's missed, there is really no questions what it is. That one I questioned because had CT played it differently, it would not have been 3 bases.

Are you keeping score from home, or at the games? I bet that would be pretty neat to have kept score throughout the season if we made it to Omaha. Would be a good thing to hold on to

 

[drt7891]

Both at home and when I go. It keeps me engaged and is pretty fun to do. I have a started a nice collection of scorecards from games I've been to. I have one of the SECTCG that I still have.

 

[CadaverDawg]

I would not have ruled the missed catch an error simply because a) he had a small chance of making the catch b) it was a really tough play to make, but he still had a chance to make it. I don't know anyone (nor do I) charge errors unless it's blatant bases were given up because of a mistake, and I don't think that play was a mistake... just a tough play to make.

I would have looked at it like this....he never should have dived for the ball, it was going to be a single, and like you said CT turned it into a triple....so it should be ruled a single, and a two base error. That's how I would have scored it anyway.

Also, I would have given the third baseman an error on the hit by Robson in the 8th(?). Our home scorer gave him the hit, but that was not a tough ball to field if the third baseman doesn't try to catch it on the tough hop...and he had plenty of time to throw him out if fielded cleanly.

Im sure there are several per game that could be argued.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Both at home and when I go. It keeps me engaged and is pretty fun to do. I have a started a nice collection of scorecards from games I've been to. I have one of the SECTCG that I still have.

Nice. You will always be glad you did that now.

 

[Steakonastick]

It's scored a triple. You can not give an error if the ball is not touched. One of the rules of baseball I hate. It could be a routine pop fly and if you don't touch the ball zero error.

 

[CadaverDawg]

It's scored a triple. You can not give an error if the ball is not touched. One of the rules of baseball I hate. It could be a routine pop fly and if you don't touch the ball zero error.

Are you sure that that is an actual rule? I thought it was just something most people used as a guideline. Maybe I'm wrong, but that sounds ridiculous if it's an actual written rule. That would be like saying an error can't be charged on an infielder if a ball rolls between his legs, as long as he misses it cleanly. Stupid if true.

 

[drt7891]

Yea, our scorekeeper this year has been hit and miss with errors. I am usually very conservative handing them out, but I think I would disagree giving CT an error simply because he had a (small) chance to make the catch. If he had made it, it would have been a spectacular out. If he hadn't at least had a chance, I would have ruled it an error.

I see it like this... you wouldn't penalize a pitcher for trying to make a catch or field a ball that he misses and gets behind him for a hit. He has a small chance of making it, but you wouldn't penalize him if he doesn't. That's the way I saw CT's play yesterday...

 

[drt7891]

I've never heard that rule. I do know you don't score an error if a fielder loses sight of the ball in the sun.

A rule I do hate is not giving a batter an RBI if he hits into a double play. RBI stands for "runs batted in" and his at-bat cause a run to score, no matter how it was done.

 

[birdawg]

Are you sure that that is an actual rule? I thought it was just something most people used as a guideline. Maybe I'm wrong, but that sounds ridiculous if it's an actual written rule. That would be like saying an error can't be charged on an infielder if a ball rolls between his legs, as long as he misses it cleanly. Stupid if true.

I think its just a guideline as I've never heard of that rule.

Thats pretty cool to keep the scores from the games. As a former pitcher I hated doing that (if wasnt pitching I usually was keeping score), but its a fantastic exercise for when you play that team again.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Yea, our scorekeeper this year has been hit and miss with errors. I am usually very conservative handing them out, but I think I would disagree giving CT an error simply because he had a (small) chance to make the catch. If he had made it, it would have been a spectacular out. If he hadn't at least had a chance, I would have ruled it an error.

I see it like this... you wouldn't penalize a pitcher for trying to make a catch or field a ball that he misses and gets behind him for a hit. He has a small chance of making it, but you wouldn't penalize him if he doesn't. That's the way I saw CT's play yesterday...

Right, and I'm not penalizing CT for the hit....I'm penalizing him for making a stupid choice to dive for a ball when he has nobody behind him, and turning what should have been a man on first into a man on third. Graveman shouldn't be penalized bc CT was stupid. That's my theory on it. You're still giving the guy a hit, just giving CT an error on letting it get past him.

 

[CadaverDawg]

I've never heard that rule. I do know you don't score an error if a fielder loses sight of the ball in the sun.

A rule I do hate is not giving a batter an RBI if he hits into a double play. RBI stands for "runs batted in" and his at-bat cause a run to score, no matter how it was done.

I agree. You do give a guy an RBI if he walks and drives in a run, correct? I can't remember how that is scored, but it definitely should be an RBI.

 

[Toby Nash]

That's not a rule. If the player could have reasonably made the play, and doesn't, it's an error. There are a number of factors considered, but a player simply not touching the ball during a play does not determine if something is scored an error. If a player makes what is judged as a fielding mistake, those are not scored as errors.

From MLB.com:

It is not necessary that the fielder touch the ball to be charged with an error. If a ground ball goes through a fielder's legs or a fly ball falls untouched and, in the scorer's judgment, the fielder could have handled the ball with ordinary effort, the official scorer shall charge such fielder with an error.