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Before we spend more than another couple mil renovating, we need to bomb it and start over in the same location.
I could see this gaining some steam after the football expansion is paid off... assuming we continue to improve and the attendance comes back in a measurable way...
I could see this gaining some steam after the football expansion is paid off... assuming we continue to improve and the attendance comes back in a measurable way...
New stadiums draw people. It is a fact and it has been proven over, and over, and over. People want to see the new place.
I'll tell you where I think would be a cool place for it- where Dorman Hall is right by The Junction. The where the baseball field used to be WAY back in the day.
Now that said- I'm not sure how feasable that would be.
I'll tell you where I think would be a cool place for it- where Dorman Hall is right by The Junction. The where the baseball field used to be WAY back in the day.
Now that said- I'm not sure how feasable that would be.
this isn't actually the case anymore. I know there are plenty of lifetime seating contracts left, but I don't think it's as all-encompassing as one might hope. I think I only spent one season on the waiting list for chairbacks. Two at the most. I was expecting five.
We're simply experiencing the same problem we have in basketball: the bigger donors simply aren't as lively as your run-of-the-mill fans, and it takes excellent results to get them to attend regularly. The answer is to find ways to get those seats filled without losing the money.
We're simply experiencing the same problem we have in basketball: the bigger donors simply aren't as lively as your run-of-the-mill fans, and it takes excellent results to get them to attend regularly. The answer is to find ways to get those seats filled without losing the money.
...renditions of the improvement. The Dude is a legendary facility that needs improving upon, not destroyed
Didn't stop them from starting over...
Didn't stop SC, OM, etc from starting over, either...
No fanbase that's built a new stadium has regretted it. Those are #1,2,and3 in attendance. You can build a new facility that pays homage to the old one, while improving on the previous problems. No reason we should give up lfl etc simply because it's a new park...
Didn't stop SC, OM, etc from starting over, either...
No fanbase that's built a new stadium has regretted it. Those are #1,2,and3 in attendance. You can build a new facility that pays homage to the old one, while improving on the previous problems. No reason we should give up lfl etc simply because it's a new park...
are probably the ones who don't have a vested interest in the present one. Vested interest being having paid for the seats and tickets since they built 'em.<div>So easy to simply say start over. Screw that. I paid for what I have, fulfill by end of the deal with season tickets every year and go to a good majority of the games. Some want to reseat, redo and "improve" because they're on the outside looking in. Get in line and buy your way in just like the rest of us did.</div><div>
</div><div>Attendance is an issue for a number of reasons. Leveling the joint and building new ain't the answer.</div>
</div><div>Attendance is an issue for a number of reasons. Leveling the joint and building new ain't the answer.</div>
building a brand new stadium, because of lifetime contracts. How many lifetime contracts are we talking about, 3500+?
We have to have a smarter athletic department than this. To get out of the lifetime contracts you are saying to build a new stadium, how much does that cost? Alex Box projected to cost 23million ...it cost 37.8 million
We have to have a smarter athletic department than this. To get out of the lifetime contracts you are saying to build a new stadium, how much does that cost? Alex Box projected to cost 23million ...it cost 37.8 million
I would have thought a spot would cost the equivalent (if not more) than buying that many tickets times the number of games. It should, I think.
The stadium was just poorly designed from the beginning and there's really nothing to do but blow it up and start over. I like the idea of a new stadium over by Dorman. I also like the idea of getting Polk's name off of it, reseating the lifetime contracts and just starting over.
but sometimes you have to give up a little to do what's best for the program. Dudy-Noble has some serious flaws and wasting a bunch of money on band-aids isnt a good strategy. Now, I'm not saying we have to build a new stadium somewhere else. We could start over right there I would think- and just do a better job.
But we thing is obvious- and that is our stadium is slowly making it's way as being the worst in the SEC. Nobody wants to sit in those damn bleachers- and the grandstand is usually at least half-empty. These things have got to be fixed.
But we thing is obvious- and that is our stadium is slowly making it's way as being the worst in the SEC. Nobody wants to sit in those damn bleachers- and the grandstand is usually at least half-empty. These things have got to be fixed.
...to tear down the existing grandstands. Extending them down 1st and 3d is in plan along with a walk of fame and updated concessions/restrooms. Also,putting some stands in far right field. Plenty of upgrades in plan. Not band-aids....fixes
To rebuild a practically brand new stadium on the same site. Theirs is approximately the same level of rebuild that we will require.
It's more to it than just getting out of contracts. It's the stadium design in general that's the problem. I didn't realize the extent of it until I started playing with designs in cad trying to figure out the best way to expand down the foul lines. Basically, the stadium was built in too much of a v shape to allow good sight lines down the foul lines. New stadiums are more of a 3/4 circle, with every seat pointed directly at the plate(no bad seat in the house). The only way I've come up with that we can adequately address this issue in the current structure is to build concourses down the foul lines, so you essentially enter the stands from the back. This would help some with the potential angle on the seats, but you give up 100% of foul territory basically from the existing grandstand on back to the poles, and your dealing with angular rows(which probably look like crap) as well.
By the time you do all this, you've spent half the money a new stadium would've cost you in the first place...
It's more to it than just getting out of contracts. It's the stadium design in general that's the problem. I didn't realize the extent of it until I started playing with designs in cad trying to figure out the best way to expand down the foul lines. Basically, the stadium was built in too much of a v shape to allow good sight lines down the foul lines. New stadiums are more of a 3/4 circle, with every seat pointed directly at the plate(no bad seat in the house). The only way I've come up with that we can adequately address this issue in the current structure is to build concourses down the foul lines, so you essentially enter the stands from the back. This would help some with the potential angle on the seats, but you give up 100% of foul territory basically from the existing grandstand on back to the poles, and your dealing with angular rows(which probably look like crap) as well.
By the time you do all this, you've spent half the money a new stadium would've cost you in the first place...
The stadium is facing NE(home plate to CF), turning would then make it face NW, so the sun should still be ok. Just seems we could do more with the stadium and land if it were turned that way.
The back of the main grandstand (the facade) and 1st baseline grandstandwould face the mainHump parking lot and look better coming in (it's kind of wasted right now facing the hill and small Palmeiro Center parking lot and the Hump. The Palmeiro Center would be behind LFL, the football building past CFL, and "looking out" from the grandstands would look better (right now seeing a parking lot past RF and a big wall past CF).
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The back of the main grandstand (the facade) and 1st baseline grandstandwould face the mainHump parking lot and look better coming in (it's kind of wasted right now facing the hill and small Palmeiro Center parking lot and the Hump. The Palmeiro Center would be behind LFL, the football building past CFL, and "looking out" from the grandstands would look better (right now seeing a parking lot past RF and a big wall past CF).
Hell the current stadium isnt even the original Dudy noble. It's at least the second one. The current stadium has some serious fundamental design flaws. There's only so much a remodeling is going to be able to help. And the lifetime ticket holders aren't going to lose their seats. They'll still have seats as long as they continue to buy season tickets.
...uneccassary and expensive. Why people think that if something is broken that it can NEVER work again, so just buy a new one, is beyone me. Guess its a generational thing. My generation fixed things. Younger ones just buy new ones.
This is exactly my thoughts and position, too. I have added emphasis to the parts that are really important to understand.<div>gotoman said:
</div><div>We wouldn't have the facility we have today if supporters had not been willing to pony up to build it a while ago. Back when we were winning more often, we had more people in the stands. If we start winning consistently again, the crowds will come back.
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</div><div>Winning solves all kinds of problems - attendance being one of them. Look at what has happened with the football program since we've started not sucking. That being said, I live 45 miles away and we rarely miss home baseball games (mid-week and weekends). Rarely, also, do we miss home basketball games and never miss home football games.<div>
</div><div>Win and they will come.
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