Basketball for next year...

dawgstudent

Heisman
Apr 15, 2003
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My approach is you pay Hubbard and go all out. Get another guard and a big who can score. You don't let a talent like Hubbard walk. I know a lot will disagree but I'd like to give it a go for next season and if we struggle - then you blow it up. It might take another year if we make the tournament next season without much success but Hubbard deserves a supporting cast that is worthy. This assumes he wants to stay at State.
 

Dawgbite

All-American
Nov 1, 2011
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It’s February 8th and we’re talking about next years team. Typical.
 

lazlow

Senior
Jul 9, 2009
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My approach is you pay Hubbard and go all out. Get another guard and a big who can score. You don't let a talent like Hubbard walk. I know a lot will disagree but I'd like to give it a go for next season and if we struggle - then you blow it up. It might take another year if we make the tournament next season without much success but Hubbard deserves a supporting cast that is worthy. This assumes he wants to stay at State.
if we get out-rebounded we lose.
 

PrimeDog

Senior
Jan 2, 2025
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Pay him for what? No defense and 30-35% shooting? He’s a spot up shooter that can’t get to a spot because he’s double teamed.

Jans has had 3 years to find a complementary guard and has failed. We just believe now that a miracle is going to happen in the portal for year 4? This offense is all of a sudden going to not suck? That’s asking for quite a lot from a coach that has yet to figure it out
 

Seinfeld

All-American
Nov 30, 2006
11,099
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I’m not sure that we’re ever going to get far with Hubbard, but my view on situations like this has always been that you only let a talent like him go if you’ve got a better replacement, and I don’t have any faith in Jans finding a better replacement.

Next year just is what it is at this point. Jans is gonna be here, and we’re all gonna hope that he does better in the portal, but we’re all gonna be disappointed.
 

onewoof

Heisman
Mar 4, 2008
14,829
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I care not. We won't pay enough to compete. Auburn decided not to. What does that tell you.
 
Aug 24, 2012
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It’s gonna be the same crap unless he gets rid of at least brooks. Don’t know what the other assistants do, but based on in game changes and half court sets, I’d speculate not much. Jans is making too much money to roll this garbage onto the floor. If he wants to earn the ridiculous salary he’s making, he needs to step up. Howland’s recruits propped him up and got him what he’s making today.
 

FormerBully

All-American
Sep 2, 2022
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My approach is you pay Hubbard and go all out. Get another guard and a big who can score. You don't let a talent like Hubbard walk. I know a lot will disagree but I'd like to give it a go for next season and if we struggle - then you blow it up. It might take another year if we make the tournament next season without much success but Hubbard deserves a supporting cast that is worthy. This assumes he wants to stay at State.
I was at Super Bowl party earlier (came home for kids bed time), and me and my buddy had a good talk about next year. We both agreed you have to get Hub to play more of a true point guard position and recruit both a SG and SF that can play both ends of the court to cover for him on defense. Biggest issue is PF and C though.
 

maroonmania

Senior
Feb 23, 2008
11,127
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Until the baseball natty, Miss state men’s basketball delivered the greatest sports moment in State history. (Final 4)
Yea, back when it was actual college sports. Could we even hold onto a Daryl Wilson or Erick Dampier these days for more than one year?
 

PrimeDog

Senior
Jan 2, 2025
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It’s gonna be the same crap unless he gets rid of at least brooks. Don’t know what the other assistants do, but based on in game changes and half court sets, I’d speculate not much. Jans is making too much money to roll this garbage onto the floor. If he wants to earn the ridiculous salary he’s making, he needs to step up. Howland’s recruits propped him up and got him what he’s making today.
I thought we would get more out of Padgett but he usually just sits there looking like a goof with the whiteboard in his hands.
 
Aug 15, 2006
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After three years, and the state of which Hubbard is performing currently, I don't want to see him in Maroon next season. He peaked last year and based on the rumors I hear for how much he is paid, he ain't worth it.
Epps and McGhee have disappeared too, so there is some team chemistry issues going on too.
Wish Coach Williams could assist with this rebuild, because that is what this is...
 

Maroon13

All-Conference
Sep 29, 2022
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Again you have to evaluate how much Hubbard will command in salary and what % that is to the team budget. I think everyone here agrees Hubbard can not do it on his own. He needs help.

State needs to build a basketball team. We need more that one guy. If one guy doesn't allow us to find a center and taller guards, that one guy has to go.
 

thekimmer

All-Conference
Aug 30, 2012
8,069
2,085
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very doubtful that Hubbard returns for another year under Jans.
I am with you on this. He will have one year left after two rather forgettable one-and-done tourney years and then what should have been his best wasted due to his coach crapping the bed in the portal. If I were in his shoes I would have a very hard time trusting Jans with that last precious season especially if he has a proven or even blue-blood wanting him.
 

Baddog11

All-Conference
Aug 28, 2013
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He’s nothing more than a gadget player at a blue blood. Stick him in to get a few open threes. No way a blue blood would start a guy (and play him for 40minutes) who can’t play defense or get a single rebound.
 

thekimmer

All-Conference
Aug 30, 2012
8,069
2,085
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After three years, and the state of which Hubbard is performing currently, I don't want to see him in Maroon next season. He peaked last year and based on the rumors I hear for how much he is paid, he ain't worth it.
Epps and McGhee have disappeared too, so there is some team chemistry issues going on too.
Wish Coach Williams could assist with this rebuild, because that is what this is...
After three years, and the state of which Hubbard is performing currently, I don't want to see him in Maroon next season. He peaked last year and based on the rumors I hear for how much he is paid, he ain't worth it.
Epps and McGhee have disappeared too, so there is some team chemistry issues going on too.
Wish Coach Williams could assist with this rebuild, because that is what this is...
Hubbard does not have the ability to carry this team and maybe nobody does. But for him, he is a defensive liability and it's virtually impossible for him to score when teams are able to collapse a double on him so tightly because we have little other scoring threat, especially in the post. That is why we do just as well when he is out of the game. I believe though that he would thrive with a team that has enough defense to compensate for his and enough offense to keep opposing Ds honest.

Frankly, if I were advising him I would very sadly suggest that it is probably in his best interest to move on for his final season. It would be devastating however to have him come back to the hump next season with someone else and lay 50 on us.
 

Son_of_34

Junior
Sep 30, 2012
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A few years a buddy of mine that worked in athletics said we made a mistake when we paid DJ instead of going to her quality bullpen guys and we see how that played out.

Same concept here don't over pay for "Smurf hero ball" when we can get some guys to add to King Grace and JDF
 

Drebin

Heisman
Aug 22, 2012
21,457
24,949
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Hubbard is part of the problem.

Jans has never been an offensive-minded coach, but he abandoned his defensive principles to put guys like Hubbard on the floor and now we aren't very good on either side of the ball.

I like Hubbard but not in the role he's being used. He's not that type of player. And he's getting paid way too much to not be that type of player.

Gotta blow it all up. And Jans has to go get an offensive minded guy for the staff.
 
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golferdog

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Jan 1, 2024
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A good coach gets the most out of their team, coaching to their strengths. We all realize we have poor talent this year, but if coaching can't find a scheme / rotation that works to minimize the damage, we have the wrong coach.

We need much better players next year, can we / are we pay more to get them? Would they even want to play for Jans? I'm losing faith in him this year not being able to find something that works.
 

Maroon13

All-Conference
Sep 29, 2022
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Maybe he is maximizing their talent.

Jans won at New Mexico State and everyone else he's been. I don't believe he is the problem. Also I don't believe you'll find anyone better if you fire him at this point.
 

maroonmania

Senior
Feb 23, 2008
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After three years, and the state of which Hubbard is performing currently, I don't want to see him in Maroon next season. He peaked last year and based on the rumors I hear for how much he is paid, he ain't worth it.
Epps and McGhee have disappeared too, so there is some team chemistry issues going on too.
Wish Coach Williams could assist with this rebuild, because that is what this is...

Hubbard is part of the problem.

Jans has never been an offensive-minded coach, but he abandoned his defensive principles to put guys like Hubbard on the floor and now we aren't very good on either side of the ball.

I like Hubbard but not in the role he's being used. He's not that type of player. And he's getting paid way too much to not be that type of player.

Gotta blow it all up. And Jans has to go get an offensive minded guy for the staff.
Not sure what all the problems are but Hubbard's shooting % has gone in the toilet this year. Maybe he is just off or maybe people have figured out how to defend him but, like you said, he is as much of the problem as anyone right now. Would still like to have him back to finish out his career but at some point you have to say at what price? I believe he is the highest paid athlete on campus (heard 4 mil but that's just hearsay) so is he worth that big of a slice of our MBB budget? Coming into the year I would have said probably yes, but he's not worth that price for how he's currently producing. There are a lot of players who could give us what he has been producing the last 7 or 8 games. Still hopeful he breaks out of the slump.
 

thekimmer

All-Conference
Aug 30, 2012
8,069
2,085
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Not sure what all the problems are but Hubbard's shooting % has gone in the toilet this year. Maybe he is just off or maybe people have figured out how to defend him but, like you said, he is as much of the problem as anyone right now. Would still like to have him back to finish out his career but at some point you have to say at what price? I believe he is the highest paid athlete on campus (heard 4 mil but that's just hearsay) so is he worth that big of a slice of our MBB budget? Coming into the year I would have said probably yes, but he's not worth that price for how he's currently producing. There are a lot of players who could give us what he has been producing the last 7 or 8 games. Still hopeful he breaks out of the slump.
He is not worth it if that means we cannot get better players around him. This year proves that.
 

Drebin

Heisman
Aug 22, 2012
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Not sure what all the problems are but Hubbard's shooting % has gone in the toilet this year. Maybe he is just off or maybe people have figured out how to defend him but, like you said, he is as much of the problem as anyone right now. Would still like to have him back to finish out his career but at some point you have to say at what price? I believe he is the highest paid athlete on campus (heard 4 mil but that's just hearsay) so is he worth that big of a slice of our MBB budget? Coming into the year I would have said probably yes, but he's not worth that price for how he's currently producing. There are a lot of players who could give us what he has been producing the last 7 or 8 games. Still hopeful he breaks out of the slump.
Hubbard's percentages are down because our offensive sets suck and he has to work really hard to get his shot off. He has some really bad days when he has some really strong defenders on him.
 

patdog

Heisman
May 28, 2007
56,605
25,894
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Not sure what all the problems are but Hubbard's shooting % has gone in the toilet this year. Maybe he is just off or maybe people have figured out how to defend him but, like you said, he is as much of the problem as anyone right now. Would still like to have him back to finish out his career but at some point you have to say at what price? I believe he is the highest paid athlete on campus (heard 4 mil but that's just hearsay) so is he worth that big of a slice of our MBB budget? Coming into the year I would have said probably yes, but he's not worth that price for how he's currently producing. There are a lot of players who could give us what he has been producing the last 7 or 8 games. Still hopeful he breaks out of the slump.
He's the rare player who has managed to regress every year. SEC 3-point %
23-24 - 35.4%
24-25 - 32.0%
25-26 - 25.9% - Yikes!
 

Big Dawg81

Sophomore
Oct 7, 2019
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It’s going to be some addition by subtraction here. Shawn Jones,McGhee, Epps, Ballard and Achor will be moved on. At least 5 new faces. Warren might hit the portal too. Keep Hubbard,Macura and the Freshman. Jans can’t have a missed evaluations again
 

Dogdazey

Sophomore
Nov 16, 2012
251
166
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3 years of Hubbard and we've learned nothing. He's an undersized guard who can score, but can't carry the entire team. He is limited on defense at best. We've had 3 years to match his skills with another guard and/or a post and have failed.

IMO opinion, we need to create a team, not just one above average player with several project portal players. State needs to let Hubbard go somewhere where he can shine for a season so that he will command an overseas contract. He's not an NBA player.

Whomever is in charge of the portal recruiting needs to be ushered away from the program. Find a talent evaluator, hire him and bring in 3-4 all around players that specialize in playing both ends of the court. You have some pieces but you are in desperate need of a point that isn't 5'10 and a legitimate inside presence on the offensive and defensive end.
 
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thekimmer

All-Conference
Aug 30, 2012
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Hubbard's percentages are down because our offensive sets suck and he has to work really hard to get his shot off. He has some really bad days when he has some really strong defenders on him.
Every time he touches the ball on offense he has two players collapsing HARD on him even 30 feet from the basket and we still cannot get the ball to a reliable shooter out of that set. Impossible to score points in that scenario.