This is a joke right? 7 SWAC teams, a MEAC, and two A-Sun teams. This is the worst schedule ever for OOC. I couldn't think of anything that would make me less interested in basketball but I just found it. I coul not have been a bigger supporter for a very long time but hell I may not run a game on until April
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It's a good thing Slive made AD's strengthen their OOC. I would have hated to see it before then...
Pretty obvious Slive is taking a realistic (and smart) approach to OOC schedules. If you only won 9 games last year, you're going to be better for the conference RPI by winning some games OOC against an easy schedule. I don't think that same schedule will fly if we submit it next year.
Yeah -- since Stansbury was known for his difficult OOC schedules and all**
What redeeming factor or potential benefit would we possibly have for scheduling tough OOC opponents THIS season?
I don't see 7 SWAC teams. I see 3. I see a Big 12 team. There is a tournament that includes South Florida, UNLV and Santa Clara. We are playing Loyola as part of the 50th Anniversary of our NCAA game with them. And we play a team that made the Sweet 16 last year. I agree its not a great OOC schedule, but its alot better than you make it out to be.
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Yeah I misread it. I am just tired of these non conference schedules with nothing to look forward too. Forgive me for not getting excited about any of the slate that is in Starkville. Everybody plays in tournaments. I just wish we had Memphis or USM even like a Georgia tech type.
For what it was worth I never said a damn thing about Stan's schedule. I was hoping a regime change would bring a change in attitude. Not the same ******** scheduling and less W's.
For what it was worth I never said a damn thing about Stan's schedule. I was hoping a regime change would bring a change in attitude. Not the same ******** scheduling and less W's.
I actually like our OOC schedule. We have several decent games with TCU, Loyola, FGCU and UNLV and the rest should be confidence building wins. I am looking forward to seeing what Ray can do with a full bench now. He has done a tremendous job in building depth in such a short time. I hope it always stays full from here on. Last year sucked with only 8 players.
So, you want "interesting" teams in Starkville to come in and beat us? What would we gain from losing a game to, what should be, a very good/borderline NCAA tournament(for the 3rd yr in a row) USM team? What would we gain from getting destroyed by a reloaded Memphis squad? The answer is that scheduling like that can do nothing but hurt us at this point...
This team isn't there yet -- and you don't schedule them for imminent failure. The only reason to schedule tougher is for RPI purposes when you are expecting yourself to be a bubble team for the big dance. We aren't that yet.
In year 3 or 4 -- if we're still scheduling like this -- there will be a whole bunch of us that are pissed off and questioning things. But there is no need to put the cart before the horse right now.
We played in Maui last year and I can understand why the schedule was not hard otherwise. However we lost to a SWAC team last year. What good did that do us? What if Ray is as good a coach as I think he is and we have a good team and maybe a shot at dancing. The only chance we have is to win the SEC tournament.
If we lose any of our Starkville slate our season is shot. Teams routinely get in the tourney with 17-19 wins when the have a top rated schedule. It's also not like we have a grueling SEC schedule. Playing SEC basketball is like playing the old MWC football. You got two good teams and a bunch of crap
If we lose any of our Starkville slate our season is shot. Teams routinely get in the tourney with 17-19 wins when the have a top rated schedule. It's also not like we have a grueling SEC schedule. Playing SEC basketball is like playing the old MWC football. You got two good teams and a bunch of crap
If you have NCAA tournament expectations, then yes, perhaps it would be shot. However we don't have a prayer of getting in the NCAAs. There would be dancing in the streets if we made the NIT.
Teams do not routinely get in with 17-19 wins. Last year Boise State got in with 19 and they were in the top rated BCS conference. Villanova got in with 19 from the third rated BCS conference. Both were controversial were certainly not locks. The year before you had Colorado State and South Florida, each with 19 wins from the second and fifth rated conferences. You get the point.
I am not saying we have to play every hard game but I like what we did with Clemson and Miami. We don't have to do both in one year but just one a year. The experience will help us out and not cause us to start slow every year. We need wins this year but by playing SWAC team and MEAC teams don't get us ready for anything. We would get a win we playing William Carey so maybe we should play them. Atlantic Sun teams are pretty good and we do have a couple of them.
I see no benefit playing SWAC teams. Even with a win they kill our RPI.
The days of 19 win teams are probably over with so many games being played but with this schedule it would probably take 25 wins to be an 8 seed. We may not be a tourney team but a schedule like this makes it near impossible and we should atleast try for it. Now hopefully I am wrong and a bunch of these guys turn in and beat some of our SEC brethren and we kick their asses
I see no benefit playing SWAC teams. Even with a win they kill our RPI.
The days of 19 win teams are probably over with so many games being played but with this schedule it would probably take 25 wins to be an 8 seed. We may not be a tourney team but a schedule like this makes it near impossible and we should atleast try for it. Now hopefully I am wrong and a bunch of these guys turn in and beat some of our SEC brethren and we kick their asses
What do we have to "get ready" for? We are not good, yet. We're trying. The schedule is reflective of teams we will probably be able compete with. Need you be reminded that we lost to a SWAC team last year, and not a good one? Hopefully we will have improved enough this year that we don't let that happen again.
The RPI concern is just funny. We're not going to be a bubble team. We're just not. RPI doesn't matter one iota for us.
It's times like this I wish Coach could post here. He would have more energy to debate this.
The RPI concern is just funny. We're not going to be a bubble team. We're just not. RPI doesn't matter one iota for us.
It's times like this I wish Coach could post here. He would have more energy to debate this.
MSU is never going to have that great of OOC opponents. Unlike Tuscaloosa, Baton Rouge, Knoxville, and so on, no one actually lives in Starkville. Every time we schedule WVU or someone at the Hump it's during Christmas and maybe 500 people show up. I'm down for signing us up for as many tournaments as possible and then kicking it pretty easy... but not this easy though... I'd rather play USM and lose than watch the battle of juggernauts that is MSU vs Maryland-Eastern-whatever.
There you go we can schedule USM and play them during Christmas. Our crowd would still intimidate them because they normally play in front of ten people
And them beating us would help us how?
I just can't believe that you even thought through this position at all...
Who said they were going to beat us? The play noone good ever accept Memphis which they lose to. I think it is ridiculous that you are so scared to play all these schools. What good does it do with us being SWAC champions. Having one game that involves a little interest before January is not make or break for the season
I don't know if it was stupid then (maybe not smart enough to repeat several thousand times), but basketball is different to me than football. If Ray had a full team of SEC basketball players, I'd be fine not playing a single team that's not from a major conference. That would never work logistically/financially, but the SEC schedule isn't grueling, and it doesn't hurt you to lose to a good team, so we should be scheduling as difficult a non-conference schedule as possible while still maintaining our preferred mix of home/away and being financially prudent. We'd probably still end up with around 4 cupcakes, which would allow us to work some younger guys in and maybe to give a game or two to address some areas of weakness right before conference play starts.
You said it when you were worried about us losing to SWAC schools.
Simple fact -- we gain NOTHING from playing USM in ANY SPORT. EVER. NOTHING. The fact that you fail to realize this on top of the initially ridiculous position just really isn't even worth discussing. No one is going back to Starkville to watch us play USM during XMas holidays. Sorry -- just not happening.
You are literally the only person I know advocating a more difficult basketball schedule this year -- while EVERYONE else wanted it to be as easy as possible. Why do you think that is? You think you've got some deeper understanding of how this stuff works than the rest of us? Or is the inverse more likely to be true?
What is better for this team? Going 12-20 against the toughest schedule in the country and being demoralized by tough teams in early tournaments which are hard for us to recover from that NONE of our fans will actually attend anyway because they aren't expecting us to be very good again...
Or going 18-14 against a reasonably easy schedule and building confidence, cohesion, and experience for what should be expected to be a borderline NCAA team in 2014/2015 season? Nevermind the increased fan support and excitement going forward for a decent season where we bring back damn near everything for the next year -- and the increase in home games on that schedule.
Getting blown out by good teams does NOTHING to help us during the rebuilding phase. Period. End of story. Unless you can show me the redeeming qualities of the little Maui trip we took last year? But we already know you can't...
You were probably pissed at Mullen when Georgia Tech rotated off the schedule in 2010 as well, weren't you??
AGAIN -- ANY talk about wanting to bulk up the schedule prior to this year is asinine. Start bulking it up mildly next year -- and continue stepping it up from there as our team becomes talented enough and experienced enough to deal with it.
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