Beamer defends OC hires
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Can't think of anytime a head coach had publicly trashed a former assistant. He could give a coach-speaky answer, though, that reading between the lines you'd know he realized he needed to do something different this time around.
You know, I think Shula "might" have a defense of "look at the freaking teams we are playing" if not for the knuckle dragging against VT, SCSt and UK. We were actually "in" the games against Vandy, Mizzou, OK and Ole Miss and should've beaten LSU and Bama. But what might seem like an argument that "we're not that far off" completely falls apart when considering how utterly incompetent the offense was in those three games.
Also, what Shane failed to mention is that, while Satterfield was "hand picked" by Rhule to go revive Nebraska, it flopped horrendously.
Dump the NFL worship. You and your OC and positions coaches aren't laid to develop NFL players. You are paid to WIN COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMES. Let the NFL coaches develop them into NFL systems.
Look at the top tier QBs in the NFL, for example. Start naming off the guys who played in "pro style" offenses in college. We'll all sit here and wait.
Also, what Shane failed to mention is that, while Satterfield was "hand picked" by Rhule to go revive Nebraska, it flopped horrendously.
Dump the NFL worship. You and your OC and positions coaches aren't laid to develop NFL players. You are paid to WIN COLLEGE FOOTBALL GAMES. Let the NFL coaches develop them into NFL systems.
Look at the top tier QBs in the NFL, for example. Start naming off the guys who played in "pro style" offenses in college. We'll all sit here and wait.
But Beamer brought up the assistants by name. The question in no way even hinted at personal digs just wanting to know if Shane is actually thinking. It’s kinda surprising that it was even asked.
There was no answer to be heard here but was curious how he would answer in regards to his usual pettiness. He held off this time, good for him.
However this really isn’t that hard.
Reporter- You open to different backgrounds than primarily NFL guys?
Beamer - Yes. I will consider coaches who have shown they know how to be college OC’s.
That’s all that was necessary.
Instead we get random crap about the UT & Clemson games that brought his first raise & extension. The anomalies, not the norms. And as Swifty mentioned - how’s he going to defend the Satt hire by saying someone else hired him while we all know Satt got demoted 3/4 into the second season. Rhule didn’t even want him to finish with 3 games or so left.
However this really isn’t that hard.
Reporter- You open to different backgrounds than primarily NFL guys?
Beamer - Yes. I will consider coaches who have shown they know how to be college OC’s.
That’s all that was necessary.
Instead we get random crap about the UT & Clemson games that brought his first raise & extension. The anomalies, not the norms. And as Swifty mentioned - how’s he going to defend the Satt hire by saying someone else hired him while we all know Satt got demoted 3/4 into the second season. Rhule didn’t even want him to finish with 3 games or so left.
I didn't see the whole presser. Did Beamer make any statements regarding considering internal hires for the OC position?
FOOD FOR THOUGHT. I'm just going to pivot and say the following: 3 SEC coaches have been fired in mid-season. They are Sam Pittman of Arkansas, Billy Napier of Florida and Brian Kelly of LSU. We have played against those coaches a total of 4 times since 2022. Two of those times were at Williams-Brice Stadium. Our combined record against them is 0-4. Those are facts. I will not editorialize making subjective comments. People can draw their own conclusions.
(NOTE: Not counting Hugh Freeze, fired by Auburn after 2+ seasons, since we have not gone up against Freeze in the past 2+ seasons).
(NOTE: Not counting Hugh Freeze, fired by Auburn after 2+ seasons, since we have not gone up against Freeze in the past 2+ seasons).
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A point of view I read elsewhere, but it caught my interest.
Shane came across as defending all 3 hires as good hires. Hopefully coachspeak, but what if he actually thinks they were all good hires?
What does that say about his next hire, and learning from any mistakes?
Shane came across as defending all 3 hires as good hires. Hopefully coachspeak, but what if he actually thinks they were all good hires?
What does that say about his next hire, and learning from any mistakes?
Yeah, puzzling. Said they were good hires but not consistent enough results.
The coaching community is a small fraternity so naturally many friendships and alliances will form.
I don't expect SB to come out and talk trash about any of his former assistants to the public, that would make for some very bad optics.
I don't expect SB to come out and talk trash about any of his former assistants to the public, that would make for some very bad optics.
Yeah. Hoping its a nice "coachspeak" speech for his former employees. And that behind closed doors he sees the mistakes and will move to correct.
Its simply concerning if he actually believed they were all good hires.
Oops, make that 0-5. Forgot we lost to Billy Napier-coached Florida team 38-6 in Gainesville in 2022.
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Let's not perturb Shane with any difficult questions.
Only ask:
"How's practice going?"
"Do you have an injury update?"
"How's the team feeling this week going into the A&M game?"
"Shane, tell us what makes A&M so tough."
Only ask:
"How's practice going?"
"Do you have an injury update?"
"How's the team feeling this week going into the A&M game?"
"Shane, tell us what makes A&M so tough."
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Tone deaf. Terrible. He's starting to sound like dabo with these rants.... I sincerely hope Shane doesn't believe all of what he said in that answer. Sadly, I think he does. This pretty much assures another terrible OC hire, and another [head]coaching search next year around this time.
I've been wanting Shane to succeed here since day one - and I still want that. But he's losing me. I want the Gamecock football team to succeed; and I'm starting to think Shane doesn't give us our best chance at that.
I've been wanting Shane to succeed here since day one - and I still want that. But he's losing me. I want the Gamecock football team to succeed; and I'm starting to think Shane doesn't give us our best chance at that.
Again, the mentioning of the assistants was all Beamer's doing. There was no need to even go into them. He even said "I push back a little bit on this, and you didn't say this but I know its a narrative out there..."
On this note; how many times now have we heard this guy talk about a narrative? He also claims they don't pay attention to outside noise. Just find an OC who doesn't suck. Thanks.
Josh Pate had a segment earlier this year where he said Dabo had an answer and he went looking for a question. That is exactly what happened here. I believe he fully believes the things he's saying.
Beamer has thin skin. He doesn't take criticism well, and when he has been good, he's awfully dang smug about it.
He appreciates the fans and sings our praises at times... and also quickly trashes anyone who criticizes his decisions, rather than owning up to them. He's a much less successful version of Dabo, who can owe much of his success to being in the ACC.
He appreciates the fans and sings our praises at times... and also quickly trashes anyone who criticizes his decisions, rather than owning up to them. He's a much less successful version of Dabo, who can owe much of his success to being in the ACC.
OC: 1 for 3. I liked Dowel. Wish we could have kept him & Pete Lembo.
DC: 1 for 1. Clayton is one of our best DCs ever.
Quite possible Furrey/Shawn are better than Satt or Schuler (sp). We'll find out in a few days.
DC: 1 for 1. Clayton is one of our best DCs ever.
Quite possible Furrey/Shawn are better than Satt or Schuler (sp). We'll find out in a few days.
It's likely that they can be worse. Even if there is a bit of an uptick in offensive performance, we need to hire the best OC we can get. If Furrey is the best OC Beamer can get, he'll be job hunting in about a year.
OC is not the root of the problem, lack of talent is. Going a step further, development of talent is the real problem. Recruiting and portal acquisitions have been pretty good, the problem seems to start when the players get to Columbia. Sellers is no better, possibly worse, than when he arrived. The OL, which includes a number of highly rated recruits, looks bewildered playing college football. The RBs and WRs are mediocre.
The defense looks pretty well coached but they don't really have any elite players. Stewart is good but he isn't a game changer that opposing teams have to scheme around.
Beamer can't say any of this.
The defense looks pretty well coached but they don't really have any elite players. Stewart is good but he isn't a game changer that opposing teams have to scheme around.
Beamer can't say any of this.
Not sure why anyone would think he's going to throw anyone under the bus that didn't blatantly try to screw him over. They underperformed.. no one here would realistically answer in any other way.
Yes, that's basically what has been alluded to. However, he takes it further than that and emphatically defends each one as a good hire. He could have said something to the effect of "In each case I made what I felt at the time was the best OC hire for our situation." and left it at that.
Yeah, that's pretty much the consensus of the thread.
As I said earlier, I'm curious the degree of coachspeak hes using vs how he really feels about the hires. And of course, that'll never be public knowledge till the tell all book 20 years from now.
No one asked him to throw anyone under the bus, the question didn't require an answer to throw anyone under the bus, no one needs him to throw them under the bus. He, of his own volition brought them up (3rd time this has been stated).
Beamer may very well be willing to throw someone under the bus though, that didn't screw him over. I don't recall the details but he had some under the bus type comments when that Coley dude left for a UGA job.
And yes, people here would realistically answer another way. It's been demonstrated.
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It's a good point. The question wasn't even about explaining/defending the first 3 hires. The question was only asking whether he would follow the same pattern and look for guys with NFL experience. Shane rabbit trailed on defending the 3 hires.
What support Shane has left may fall if he loses the next three. If this happens I dont see how he can keep his job. I’m sure Donati has a short list on his desk.
We are not going to lose to Coastal. They have the 112th ranked defense and the 109th ranked offense in the nation. There are 134 FBS teams in the nation. They are poor. And that is flattering them. If we lose to Coastal, then Beamer needs to be fired 5 seconds after shaking the Coastal Coaches hand congratulating him.
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We probably aren't losing, but they have scored 40+ in their last 3 games against App State, Marshall and Ga State. We scored 38 against SC State, and that was with the benefit of a couple kick return TDs. I don't think we would put up 40 points on any of those teams.
On paper they are probably better than 2015 Citadel. South Carolina in no way should lose to Coastal but same could have been said for that Citadel team regardless of how bad that 2015 Gamecock team was. And how many times has that been the case? They can lose to anyone.
Yep.
Ask Cheatigan what happened in The Out House on Sept. 1st, 2007.
Then again, they might develop a temporary case of amnesia.
I was in WB on October 16th, 1982 when they played Furman. We won't talk about it.
18 and SouthernBelly,
I don't gamble. Trying to pick winners in the stock market is hard enough for me. If I did gamble, I would NOT put money down on us. That said, if we do lose to Coastal, Donati better go ahead and make a change. If he wants to wait until after the Clemson game, that will do. BUT, he fired legendary TCU Head Coach Gary Patterson after the 8th game of the season. Beamer has NEVER, prior to this year, fired a field coach in the middle of the season. I cannot prove it BUT I suspect Donati nudged Beamer to fire Teasley and Shula during the middle of this season. IF we lose to Coastal, it would not shock me to see Donati fire Beamer. It would be better for Beamer to have his name found in the Epstein files rather than lose to Coastal Carolina. But what might save Beamer to next year is the same thing that worked in his favor to get this job: his last name. I'd pull the trigger on the Nepo Baby if we lose to Coastal. But, that's me.
I am sure that Donati has a short list of possible replacements for Beamer. And I feel certain he won't settle for a proven FAILED coach nor for someone not have been thought highly enough to be made either an OC or DC, much less a Head Coach.
I don't gamble. Trying to pick winners in the stock market is hard enough for me. If I did gamble, I would NOT put money down on us. That said, if we do lose to Coastal, Donati better go ahead and make a change. If he wants to wait until after the Clemson game, that will do. BUT, he fired legendary TCU Head Coach Gary Patterson after the 8th game of the season. Beamer has NEVER, prior to this year, fired a field coach in the middle of the season. I cannot prove it BUT I suspect Donati nudged Beamer to fire Teasley and Shula during the middle of this season. IF we lose to Coastal, it would not shock me to see Donati fire Beamer. It would be better for Beamer to have his name found in the Epstein files rather than lose to Coastal Carolina. But what might save Beamer to next year is the same thing that worked in his favor to get this job: his last name. I'd pull the trigger on the Nepo Baby if we lose to Coastal. But, that's me.
I am sure that Donati has a short list of possible replacements for Beamer. And I feel certain he won't settle for a proven FAILED coach nor for someone not have been thought highly enough to be made either an OC or DC, much less a Head Coach.
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He sure was locked and loaded. He didn't wait for the question.
Admitting he hired 2 of 3 bad coordinators (maybe 3 depending on your opinion of Loggains) would be admitting he made bad decisions. Doesn't seem like his ego would allow for that kind of humility. Hell, even Spurrier admitted he &^%$* up.
Having said that, I don't think he will lose his job this year. OTOH, if he loses to Coastal that calculus could change. (It sure changed in 2014 when we lost to the Citadel.)
He can't make a new OC hire without the involvement of the AD. I hope Donati is the kind of person who will expect SB to make a strong case for any new hires and that in doing so he has learned from his mistakes.
He doesn't have to trash them nor does he have to say they were good hires. He could just say he is going to re-evaluate everything at the end of the year. I think he did hint at that when asked what he would look for in a new OC.
I just hope he doesn't have to hire a new DC as well.
Loggains was a good OC. Shula o is outdated. Satterfield was…..well, I am thankful Rhule “stole him away”