Logic and common sense are the enemy of that feller
Beshear about to issue mask Mandate in schools?
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It's insanity...but the mentality of the maskers is akin to flat earthers
Especially those homemade ones they made out fabric laying around the house.
Yup. I never said testing is bad. Testing all people is bad. Especially, hospital admissions.
Come on guys. If the science is truly on your side this one should be easy to put away. Let’s see it.
Or maybe they aren’t effective?
Here are 49 studies (41 peer reviewed) that say what anyone with common sense doesn't need to be told.
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Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do
Reasons for mask hesitancy and doubt include conflicting data from health officials, political biases and cultural unfamiliarity (studies showed mask wearing was lower in countries where face maski…
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That’s so interesting. It’s odd though how the Democrat politicians seem to really only care for masks when a camera is on and when it’s not, suddenly the mask is not necessary.Here are 49 studies (41 peer reviewed) that say what anyone with common sense doesn't need to be told.
Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do
Reasons for mask hesitancy and doubt include conflicting data from health officials, political biases and cultural unfamiliarity (studies showed mask wearing was lower in countries where face maski…
I just have to say that covid is the most politically woke virus of all-time. It can’t get you at any leftist protest or celebration or party with the elites but it will absolutely get you at school, at church, at a biker rally, in Florida but not NY or CA.
Here are 49 studies (41 peer reviewed) that say what anyone with common sense doesn't need to be told.
Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do
Reasons for mask hesitancy and doubt include conflicting data from health officials, political biases and cultural unfamiliarity (studies showed mask wearing was lower in countries where face maski…
If the money was there, there would be 50 scientific studies showing you they don't work. That's what NBC would be telling you.
They don't work.
As Mark Twain iirc said, common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired before the age 0f 18. There is no definitive proof masks work. In a closed room classroom, it's 99.999% certain they accomplish nothing.
If they worked, we would know by now, we could easily prove it. Even in the age of rampant misinformation, misuse and deep polarization, it could be done beyond all reasonable doubt. All those studies show is some version of this.
Vaccinations, limited contact indoors, increased air ventilation, symptomatic people staying home, etc, is the only way out of this not your face comfort blankets.
Masking up is forgivable before we had vaccines/data, not now, especially not with children in schools it's negligent and frankly disgusting.
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It’s really just incredible to watch the entire left have the exact same effing opinion with whatever their political masters tell them. There’s zero questioning or deviation. Blind obedience.
Masks work as a force field
The vaccine works
Get the vaccine so you don’t have to wear the mask.
Just kidding- put the mask back on
The flu is gone; only covid remains
Get another shot
Show us your papers
Inject your kids
Get the shot or you’re fired
Masks work as a force field
The vaccine works
Get the vaccine so you don’t have to wear the mask.
Just kidding- put the mask back on
The flu is gone; only covid remains
Get another shot
Show us your papers
Inject your kids
Get the shot or you’re fired
Here are 49 studies (41 peer reviewed) that say what anyone with common sense doesn't need to be told.
Do face masks work? Here are 49 scientific studies that explain why they do
Reasons for mask hesitancy and doubt include conflicting data from health officials, political biases and cultural unfamiliarity (studies showed mask wearing was lower in countries where face maski…
Cool. Can you show me empirical data of the efficacy of masks on the rate of cases once the mandates went into effect in various states or countries? You know, actual real world data as opposed to studies.
Once again, should be easy to do for all the chest thumping about masks preventing spread.
you’re welcome
“As of August 11, 24 of Kansas’s 105 counties did not opt out of the state mandate§ or adopted their own mask mandate shortly before or after the state mandate was issued; 81 counties opted out of the state mandate, as permit- ted by state law, and did not adopt their own mask mandate. After the governor’s executive order, COVID-19 incidence (calculated as the 7-day rolling average number of new daily cases per 100,000 population) decreased (mean decrease of 0.08 cases per 100,000 per day; net decrease of 6%) among counties with a mask mandate (mandated counties) but con- tinued to increase (mean increase of 0.11 cases per 100,000 per day; net increase of 100%) among counties without a mask mandate (nonmandated counties).”
Thanks, but no thanks.
Case growth was not significantly different between mandate and non-mandate states at low or high transmission rates, and surges were equivocal.
So out of the entire world the best you could find is low density population Kansas with a case range of .19 cases when the bell curve was already at its apex in the larger populated counties.
Don’t ask for data and facts if you just want to disregard what you don’t like. It’s like arguing with a flat earther. Facts are that there are a litany of studies showing benefits of masks in a pandemic.
Your argument is basically “but muh freedoms.”
Okay, fine. Yes, it’s unfortunate, but don’t act like you’re coming from a place of what’s best in the interest of public health.
This study found mask mandates don't corelate with covid transmission - not because masks don't work, but because mandates didn't have an effect on behavior. Where masks were mandated, there was typically already high mask usage, and people who weren't already wearing masks continued not wearing masks. The study found, overall, that a 100% masks population would have 25% lower transmission than a 0% masked population. Not a silver bullet, not the primary driver of the course of the epidemic, but better than nothing. And wrt to the new school mandate, that's far more enforceable than a general population mandate and should have a bigger impact on rate of mask usage compared to the alternative. Other studies have found lower levels of exhaled viral material in the air, and lower rates of disease transmission with animal subjects when infected air was "breathed" on them with and without masks. Now, spending 6-8 hours in a room together is masking going to make a substantial difference in how much it spreads in schools? I don't know. Masks were always most effective as shorter term protection when you had to be around people while mostly trying to social distance. I'm hopeful this wave passes rather quickly, and this can be a short term measure, but the costs of the measure are very low. We need in person schools for our kids, most kids aren't yet eligible to be vaccinated, and even if only slightly effective, it's one of the few measures we have available at this point for kids.
That's all anyone competent can genuinely say, "well, they might work, so may as well."
That's not good enough, just as the conversation is never really good enough.
And that type of language, "courage to do what is right," is almost always a clear indicator that what comes next is neither right nor courageous. You (parents and incomptent leaders in your state) are almost certainly harming their intellectual and emotional development (some subset of them) in ways you cannot fully appreciate.
If you really wanted to help, and really thought it would help, you'd think of something creative like giving kids free KN95 masks per period while limiting collateral damage by allowing them to bus to mask only schools decided by parents choice, something like that.
That's not good enough, just as the conversation is never really good enough.
And that type of language, "courage to do what is right," is almost always a clear indicator that what comes next is neither right nor courageous. You (parents and incomptent leaders in your state) are almost certainly harming their intellectual and emotional development (some subset of them) in ways you cannot fully appreciate.
If you really wanted to help, and really thought it would help, you'd think of something creative like giving kids free KN95 masks per period while limiting collateral damage by allowing them to bus to mask only schools decided by parents choice, something like that.
The effect masks have on development isn't easily measured. You can't do something like that because it "might" be beneficial.
Yeah and when March is here and everyone is told to keep masking to save the planet how many will follow.
I will send my child to school and ask her to follow the rules but Andy is a fn idiot not a hero, if they care so much about our health why is people being allowed to fluid this country if we are all in danger.
I will send my child to school and ask her to follow the rules but Andy is a fn idiot not a hero, if they care so much about our health why is people being allowed to fluid this country if we are all in danger.
They are using a model, there is real world data available.
The Dutch study used 4680 real world applications. It was a controlled study, that showed 2.1% of non mask wearers were infected, and 1.8% mask wearers were infected.
That wouldn't be evidence against a 25% reduction in spread, especially since masks are known to be more effective source control than wearer protection.
Wouldn’t be evidence? The “ 25%” is a computer model, there’s no need to use models now, we have the real world. So we’re back to the wearing the mask for other people schtick? I guess asymptomatic spread is about to get dusted off again
It’s like arguing that the weather forecast from a week ago is more valuable than walking outside and looking at a thermometer taking a real time measurement.
They will never relinquish this capability of jerking the populace around as long as we let them.
Macro studies on masks make it almost impossible to isolate masks as a variable of preventing contagion. Factors such as population density, mass transit, human interactivity, contagion rates, public events, holidays, etc. all make it very difficult to draw such conclusions. I’d argue they are almost useless.
Several recent studies on the physics of masks, however, show not only do they prevent spread but also give some amount of protection.
Does that mean we wear a mask for the rest of our lives? No. But it means when covid spikes and you live in a population where it’s spreading, you should consider wearing a mask.
It’s really not that complicated
Several recent studies on the physics of masks, however, show not only do they prevent spread but also give some amount of protection.
Does that mean we wear a mask for the rest of our lives? No. But it means when covid spikes and you live in a population where it’s spreading, you should consider wearing a mask.
It’s really not that complicated
I don’t disagree with you, considering to wear a mask is different than mandating it.
Yeah a n95 not anything but that, I've wore a gaiter the whole time, does it work nope, did I think it did nope, but I had to follow the science.
Considering is one thing. Forcing children to do so when there's no proof it works is another. If you're immunocompromised, wear a mask. If you're scared and a mask calms that anxiety, wear a mask. Don't force children to do so. That's the problem.
School kids don’t have a choice but to go to school. And it’s in everyone’s interest to keep schools open. Masks for them are a no brainer.
I think it is indeed too complicated. No physics "study" shows anything other than large projectile droplets are going to get caught in your mask.
But we know that this virus is primarily spread though fine aerosols from talking/breathing that are going to easily evade masks. The degree to which you are going to be "safe" in school is going to depend entirely on your proximity and duration to an infected source. (that and ventilation currents, how much the person is shedding etc, other variables that have zero to do with your face blanket)
They need close fitting KN95 masks, anything else is pure show wrt the virus.
But we know that this virus is primarily spread though fine aerosols from talking/breathing that are going to easily evade masks. The degree to which you are going to be "safe" in school is going to depend entirely on your proximity and duration to an infected source. (that and ventilation currents, how much the person is shedding etc, other variables that have zero to do with your face blanket)
They need close fitting KN95 masks, anything else is pure show wrt the virus.
This isn’t an accurate statement. Studies show that even cloth masks help prevent aerosols from spreading, and yes, I’m aware of studies, particularly towards the onset of the pandemic which made such claims.
Studies when and where though? At this point we have a ton of real life, COVID-19 data related to masks and the reality is that they don’t really seem to move the needle. Blame that on whatever you want (noncompliance, bad technique, etc), but mask mandates haven’t worked at any type of scale.
They were a stop gap when we had nothing else. Now we have vaccines that appear to work really well, and those should be the sole focus. I’d much rather see vaccine requirement in schools - which we’ve had forever - much more than mask mandates. At least vaccine requirement have a long history of success.
So wait til hottest day off the year to cover the kids face. Andy is a f n idiot how many get heat related illness and they say ur child needs to get tested before they come back.
It's not inaccurate.
Any study/article that doesn't tell you some version of this, which is a direct quote from a pro-mask "study," is not being forthright.
In indoor settings, it is impossible to avoid breathing in air that someone else has exhaled, and in hospital situations where the virus concentration is the highest, even the best-performing masks used without other protective gear such as hazmat suits will not provide adequate protection.
Until the United States government closes the Southern border and locks it down tight why should we pay any attention to anything they say or any "data" they present? They are not serious.
By allowing illegals to flow into our nation, many with COVID and other diseases, all credibility is void. So I will do what I think is appropriate and that means no mask.
I think longterm vaccines are a solid solution, but then there’s the real right now and they aren’t approved for kids yet
I have a four year old and bless his heart he absolutely struggles with wearing the mask correctly. It's just the nature of a four year old. This masks in school and child care facilities is asinine. Andy is stupid. Subjecting kids to this is just dumb. He's not following science he's just enjoying his power trip. It's just a matter of time before he tries to apply it to the rest of us.
The politically expedient action for Beshear would be to not require masks in schools. The responsible action, while unpopular, is to require masks in schools, particularly K-12. With that action, you have to presume there will be complaints and hatred directed towards you, but you can’t make all the people happy all the time. And that’s life.