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Beshear about to issue mask Mandate in schools?

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Blue_2_the_bone_rivals

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KYExtemper said:
This isn't accurate. CDC's guidance was three feet WITH masking in schools and if someone was within those three feet and masked near someone with COVID they'd have to quarantine. So the school you reference that wasn't using masks wasn't following CDC guidance.
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Sorry for the confusion. You are correct about the way Kentucky did it and that’s what I was speaking about in regards to the 15 minutes of proximity. My wife teaches and my children go to school here. The story I shared about family in Tennessee was just an anecdotal story about how they made it work without the masks. I should have started a new paragraph. Although, they had less Covid in their school than my wife’s school who masked. No huge spread in either though.
 
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Gov's new mask requirements are very poorly timed. There is a very large event coming to Louisville this coming weekend at the Fairgrounds. NSRA Nationals is the largest classic car show in the United States. Normally attracts 10,000+ car owners and hundreds of thousands of spectators. Financial impact to the city/region is in the neighborhood of $17 million each year. Last year's show was about 60% of normal because of Covid and safety concerns associated with BLM demonstrations in the area.
While the Fair and Expo Center aren't strictly a KY government facility, they usually follow whatever guidance is issued by the Governor's office to the letter. This news is not being well received by many who were planning to come and be part of the show this coming weekend. Again, this only pertains to mask requirements indoors.
However, the Governors, city and facility managers are playing a dangerous game. They nearly lost this event a few years ago but, after some compromises and a reality check, common sense won the day and both sides agreed to a contract that would keep all that money coming into Louisville through 2025.
But, negotiations may not be as easy the next time around. Springing another mask mandate on show-goers, vendors and event administration at such a late date doesn't win you much good will.
 
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Blueworld_3.0 said:
Gov's new mask requirements are very poorly timed. There is a very large event coming to Louisville this coming weekend at the Fairgrounds. NSRA Nationals is the largest classic car show in the United States. Normally attracts 10,000+ car owners and hundreds of thousands of spectators. Financial impact to the city/region is in the neighborhood of $17 million each year. Last year's show was about 60% of normal because of Covid and safety concerns associated with BLM demonstrations in the area.
While the Fair and Expo Center aren't strictly a KY government facility, they usually follow whatever guidance is issued by the Governor's office to the letter. This news is not being well received by many who were planning to come and be part of the show this coming weekend. Again, this only pertains to mask requirements indoors.
However, the Governors, city and facility managers are playing a dangerous game. They nearly lost this event a few years ago but, after some compromises and a reality check, common sense won the day and both sides agreed to a contract that would keep all that money coming into Louisville through 2025.
But, negotiations may not be as easy the next time around. Springing another mask mandate on show-goers, vendors and event administration at such a late date doesn't win you much good will.
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I hope he's that stupid. Can't wait to watch him get crushed in the election.
 
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goukcatsgo said:
Exactly. Treat it like the flu. If you've got a big enough outbreak, do remote learning for two weeks. Let everybody get better and come back.

If this delta variant is as contagious as we think, there will be a LOT of kids who get it and never have a symptom. If the teachers are vaccinated you can probably plow through it.

Gottlieb thinks we may have 10 more actual cases right now every day than positive tests. Put that in a school and you probably see huge amounts of infections with no symptoms. That's what we are seeing in society right now. If that's true then for the last two weeks in america we have averaged around 700,000 cases per day. Multiply that by 30 and boom... that's like another 20,000,000 vaccinations that we didn't already have.

We'll be at herd immunity. That's what has probably happened in England in their surge.
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Starting to think complete herd immunity will never happen with this virus. It's mutating too fast and too many are avoiding vaccination. It's just going to be a part of life going forward....A flu on steroids. Can't stop living life, but do need to mask up periodically in indoor crowds and get vaccinated. It is what it is going forward.
 
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sambowieshin said:
Starting to think complete herd immunity will never happen with this virus. It's mutating too fast and too many are avoiding vaccination. It's just going to be a part of life going forward....A flu on steroids. Can't stop living life, but do need to mask up periodically in indoor crowds and get vaccinated. It is what it is going forward.
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Actually, the reports are that it's not mutating very fast at all. It appears that previous infection is still very effective in preventing future infections and the vaccines, despite what anti-vaxers and "zero-covid" people say are working very well.

I think this "surge" is capturing the rest of society that hasn't been vaccinated or already been infected.
 
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Blueworld_3.0 said:
Gov's new mask requirements are very poorly timed. There is a very large event coming to Louisville this coming weekend at the Fairgrounds. NSRA Nationals is the largest classic car show in the United States. Normally attracts 10,000+ car owners and hundreds of thousands of spectators. Financial impact to the city/region is in the neighborhood of $17 million each year. Last year's show was about 60% of normal because of Covid and safety concerns associated with BLM demonstrations in the area.
While the Fair and Expo Center aren't strictly a KY government facility, they usually follow whatever guidance is issued by the Governor's office to the letter. This news is not being well received by many who were planning to come and be part of the show this coming weekend. Again, this only pertains to mask requirements indoors.
However, the Governors, city and facility managers are playing a dangerous game. They nearly lost this event a few years ago but, after some compromises and a reality check, common sense won the day and both sides agreed to a contract that would keep all that money coming into Louisville through 2025.
But, negotiations may not be as easy the next time around. Springing another mask mandate on show-goers, vendors and event administration at such a late date doesn't win you much good will.
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I guess I missed it. Did the governor issue another mandate today?
 
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goukcatsgo said:
Actually, the reports are that it's not mutating very fast at all. It appears that previous infection is still very effective in preventing future infections and the vaccines, despite what anti-vaxers and "zero-covid" people say are working very well.

I think this "surge" is capturing the rest of society that hasn't been vaccinated or already been infected.
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A great deal of the “surge” are breakthrough vaccinated cases. The question I have is this: a vaccinated person can get COVID-19, but are they strong transmitters if they are asymptomatic?
 
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goukcatsgo said:
Define "great deal"?

It's a very small %.
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Define “small %.”

Anecdotally, as an example, I was speaking with a nursing home medical provider recently. Some of her facilities have Covid-19 units that were filling with asymptomatic patients returning from the hospital. They were at the hospital for some non-virus procedure and were tested as a matter of protocol. They were vaccinated elderly positive breakthrough cases that are part of the state’s surge stats.
 
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goukcatsgo said:
Actually, the reports are that it's not mutating very fast at all. It appears that previous infection is still very effective in preventing future infections and the vaccines, despite what anti-vaxers and "zero-covid" people say are working very well.

I think this "surge" is capturing the rest of society that hasn't been vaccinated or already been infected.
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Hope you are right.
 
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Caveman Catfan said:
A great deal of the “surge” are breakthrough vaccinated cases. The question I have is this: a vaccinated person can get COVID-19, but are they strong transmitters if they are asymptomatic?
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From reports I have seen/read....the vaccinated are transmitting this Delta virus at similar viral loads to the unvaccinated, which is why masks are being recommended again.
The big difference between the vaxed vs unvaxed is not the transmission rate but the degree of problematic symptoms and hospitalization rate. The unvaxed are starting to drop like flies compared to the vaxed.
 
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sambowieshin said:
Hope you are right.
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Me, my wife, and son were vaccinated in January/February. 2 of us with Pfizer and one with Moderna. All three of us tested positive this week and are symptomatic. Right now it is like a bad flu.
 
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sambowieshin said:
From reports I have seen/read....the vaccinated are transmitting this Delta virus at similar viral loads to the unvaccinated, which is why masks are being recommended again.
The big difference between the vaxed vs unvaxed is not the transmission rate but the degree of problematic symptoms and hospitalization rate. The unvaxed are starting to drop like flies compared to the vaxed.
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Masks are basically irrelevant. People need to actually look at the world results. I'm sorry, I know we want to think we can control this, but we can't. Get a vaccine, if you have no health concerns regarding vaccines, and just deal with it. In most cases, the more transmissible the virus, the less deadly. We see that already with the drop in cfr/ifr in "delta."
 
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sambowieshin said:
From reports I have seen/read....the vaccinated are transmitting this Delta virus at similar viral loads to the unvaccinated, which is why masks are being recommended again.
The big difference between the vaxed vs unvaxed is not the transmission rate but the degree of problematic symptoms and hospitalization rate. The unvaxed are starting to drop like flies compared to the vaxed.
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the other massive difference is that, if exposed, you are 8x less likely to catch the virus than if not vaccinated.
 
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PhDcat2018 said:
Masks are basically irrelevant. People need to actually look at the world results. I'm sorry, I know we want to think we can control this, but we can't. Get a vaccine, if you have no health concerns regarding vaccines, and just deal with it. In most cases, the more transmissible the virus, the less deadly. We see that already with the drop in cfr/ifr in "delta."
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the data in death rate with delta can be misleading because a chunk of the cases are in vaccinated communities and the majority of cases are in the younger populations.
 
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Nuke99m said:
Me, my wife, and son were vaccinated in January/February. 2 of us with Pfizer and one with Moderna. All three of us tested positive this week and are symptomatic. Right now it is like a bad flu.
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Interesting. Hope you get better. Extremely rare to have your experience.
 
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Nuke99m said:
Me, my wife, and son were vaccinated in January/February. 2 of us with Pfizer and one with Moderna. All three of us tested positive this week and are symptomatic. Right now it is like a bad flu.
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Get well soon buddy. Hopefully the vaccine will keep you out of the hospital and off a respirator. Prayers.
 
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Just curious as to what others think;

myself and several friends all believe that this vaccine really isn’t effective as it was rushed to market and is only “approved” via emergency use.


Are we the only ones or do others think this?! Lol
 
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Sure they can “handle it”…doesn’t make it right. Would you let your kids lick the desk and floor at the school? I’m guessing many young elementary age kids have laid their mask on a desk or dropped it in the floor (where Covid and other germs could be) then put that same mask back on over their mouth. They can “handle” licking the floors and desk…they would probably laugh and all do it together if you asked, but would you do that?
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Bottom line is very simple. If a classroom of kids are masked up only the person who tests positive for covid will quarantine. If the classroom is unmasked everyone will. Want kids in school? Best hope they are masking. Not complicated. Facts.
 
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Catsfan123456 said:
Bottom line is very simple. If a classroom of kids are masked up only the person who tests positive for covid will quarantine. If the classroom is unmasked everyone will. Want kids in school? Best hope they are masking. Not complicated. Facts.
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If a district disregards one recommendation, they can disregard another. Everyone is beyond done with the folly.
 
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UKWildcatT said:
Just curious as to what others think;

myself and several friends all believe that this vaccine really isn’t effective as it was rushed to market and is only “approved” via emergency use.


Are we the only ones or do others think this?! Lol
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I certainly don't agree. The stats included in the studies have proven to be very accurate and very durable over time.

To say it's not effective is rather absurd. It basically guarantees or gets close to it, that if you're fully vaccinated and are infected with covid you won't go to the hospital or die.

It's also showing that if vaccinated you're about 8x less likely to get the virus if exposed than somebody not vaccinated.
 
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UKWildcatT said:
Just curious as to what others think;

myself and several friends all believe that this vaccine really isn’t effective as it was rushed to market and is only “approved” via emergency use.


Are we the only ones or do others think this?! Lol
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I think it’s overwhelmingly shown to be effective in preventing serious sickness, which is really all that matters. Not really sure how you can deny that.
 
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goukcatsgo said:
I certainly don't agree. The stats included in the studies have proven to be very accurate and very durable over time.

To say it's not effective is rather absurd. It basically guarantees or gets close to it, that if you're fully vaccinated and are infected with covid you won't go to the hospital or die.

It's also showing that if vaccinated you're about 8x less likely to get the virus if exposed than somebody not vaccinated.
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Yep. Per Dr. Rob Swanda, as of yesterday:



 
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If you look like this, you need to seriously consider taking the vaccine and not rolling the dice.



If you look like this, however, you're 100% entitled to your God given liberties we all agreed were important yesterday - that they were fundamental American values, whatver your reason be it lizard people, 5G computer chips, your Hari Krishna beliefs, you just don't want to whatever... that's your right

 
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Ron Mehico

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gobigbluebell said:
Yes. Give us alllllll the percentages and numbers. The same ones we’ve been bombarded with for years.
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I have no idea what that means, but that mfer has been
seeing COVID patients for about 18 months now, so to answer your dumbass question yes people do get sick from COVID. Your post was hilarious though
 
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BigBlueDave said:
If a district disregards one recommendation, they can disregard another. Everyone is beyond done with the folly.
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You are right. As long as it stays a recommendation. When it becomes a mandate liability issues come into play and school districts want no part in that. Positivity rate today is approaching 10%. More in the ICU than weeks past. Matter of time til it blows up in schools faces. I don’t want that to happen. I do believe it will though.
 
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Catsfan123456 said:
Bottom line is very simple. If a classroom of kids are masked up only the person who tests positive for covid will quarantine. If the classroom is unmasked everyone will. Want kids in school? Best hope they are masking. Not complicated. Facts.
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You’d be the type who’d be like

“Guys, just listen to the Fuhrer. It’s that simple.”
 
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