Besides losing, my #1 issue is

stixon

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how our secondary REFUSES to make a play on the ball. Every last one of them. It's like they are being taught to NOT go after the ball. Just let the other teams' receivers catch the ball and then tackle them. This is BEYOND frustrating to me and until our secondary guys are taught to defend differently than they currently are we will not see improvement from that unit.
 
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Goorng

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how our secondary REFUSES to make a play on the ball. Every last one of them. It's like they athey will re being taught to NOT go after the ball. Just let the other teams' receivers catch the ball and then tackle them. This is BEYOND frustrating to me and until our secondary guys are taught to defend differently than they currently are we will not see improvement from that unit.

They are being taught not to look for the ball because the staff thinks they might lose contact with the receiver by looking for the pass to pick it, I have seen passes bounce off the d backs helmet and I mean the back of the helmet.
 
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dockentwo

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how our secondary REFUSES to make a play on the ball. Every last one of them. It's like they are being taught to NOT go after the ball. Just let the other teams' receivers catch the ball and then tackle them. This is BEYOND frustrating to me and until our secondary guys are taught to defend differently than they currently are we will not see improvement from that unit.
Sanders taught 6 positions and taking over routes; this staff teaches the 6th position, which is what Sanders taught you were beat and the only time you would defend it that way - while running like heck to get in one of the other positions. I agree with you 100%; change or go is my hope. ..... This goes with special teams striving to lag the nation other than the punter; Calahan suffered from the buddy system.
 
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Sanders taught 6 positions and taking over routes; this staff teaches the 6th position, which is what Sanders taught you were beat and the only time you would defend it that way - while running like heck to get in one of the other positions. I agree with you 100%; change or go is my hope. ..... This goes with special teams striving to lag the nation other than the punter; Calahan suffered from the buddy system.
Stewart played DB for four years in college. He has coached DBs or been a DC/DB coach for 18 years. He was a DB coach in the NFL for six years and a DC in the NFL for two. He was a college DC (as well as DB coach at the same time) for five years. Since I doubt Riley and/or banker tell him to teach a certain technique, there MUST BE SOME REASON he teaches the DBs the technique he does. Does anyone know why that is???? It frustrates me to no end too.
 
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GeauxBigRed

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Maybe we just don't have the physical corners to play the man on man coverage that this staff wants?

We are having an overhaul in the secondary. It will take some time to get the right players in there.
 

stixon

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Maybe we just don't have the physical corners to play the man on man coverage that this staff wants?

We are having an overhaul in the secondary. It will take some time to get the right players in there.

For the most part (other than our corners playing 10 yards off the line of scrimmage at the snap), I think our COVERAGE has been solid with our corners. It's that moment when the ball comes. I'm not an expert, but aren't corners supposed to read the eyes and hands/arms of the receiver? When they see their eyes get "big" and their hands go up, shouldn't they turn their head and make a play on the ball? Frustrating...
 

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Our players don't ride the hip with any fluidity so this is how it is. We get beat so easily you have to understand our coaching is keeping things in check. Let's put it in an easy to understand concept...
Bo= automatic (deep zone)
Riley= manual (man)
Now remember trying to drive a buddies manual after driving an automatic your whole life (college career). Got it???
 

TruHusker

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Some of it depends on how DB's are taught. The eyes can get one in trouble - looking into the backfield while you are trying to cover a guy. Generally, it is about leverage and the off hand keeping contact down low. I would say the DB technique in the past was much better for the D we were playing. I doubt there is a DB coach who does not teach their players to turn and look for the ball when they read the WR making their move.

Go out on the internet and look up Quarters Defense and even some articles on the Michigan State D. It will give a whole different perspective. I will warn you that much it is pretty technical with their terms. To me it explains where we are weak which is to the outside.

Overall, the biggest problem I see is confidence and footwork. If you lack the confidence to be in the right place and your footwork doesn't get you in good physical position, there is no way you can look back for the ball. Your body is just not in position to make a play even if you see it coming.

I have been most disappointed with our DB play because of technique and footwork, they just seem off balance and out of position to often. Now the question is does that come from physical or mental mistakes? I don't know. Read some of those articles on Quarters D and you will see there are a ton of rules for players.
 

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Some of it depends on how DB's are taught. The eyes can get one in trouble - looking into the backfield while you are trying to cover a guy. Generally, it is about leverage and the off hand keeping contact down low. I would say the DB technique in the past was much better for the D we were playing. I doubt there is a DB coach who does not teach their players to turn and look for the ball when they read the WR making their move.

Go out on the internet and look up Quarters Defense and even some articles on the Michigan State D. It will give a whole different perspective. I will warn you that much it is pretty technical with their terms. To me it explains where we are weak which is to the outside.

Overall, the biggest problem I see is confidence and footwork. If you lack the confidence to be in the right place and your footwork doesn't get you in good physical position, there is no way you can look back for the ball. Your body is just not in position to make a play even if you see it coming.

I have been most disappointed with our DB play because of technique and footwork, they just seem off balance and out of position to often. Now the question is does that come from physical or mental mistakes? I don't know. Read some of those articles on Quarters D and you will see there are a ton of rules for players.

Thanks for the input guys