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the idea that jumping off your non pivot foot, is traveling?

I see so many players do it that wouldnt be able to score at all if not allowed.

To me, It's compromised the game.

Hell, even espn made fun of the idea years ago with a 'we are the world' type commercial called "dont walk".

Is there no hope for the sport to return to one of it's foundational rules to make it better?

Or does everyone like the 'extra step' game of today?
 
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the idea that jumping off your non pivot foot, is traveling?

I see so many players do it that wouldnt be able to score at all if not allowed.

To me, It's compromised the game.

Hell, even espn made fun of the idea years ago with a 'we are the world' type commercial called "dont walk".

Is there no hope for the sport to return to one of it's foundational rules to make it better?

Or does everyone like the 'extra step' game of today?
 
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..is that you don't have to dribble inside the foul line on any kind of drive to the basket.
 
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Especially in college. The NBA has let traveling go for years now, but it's starting to creep it's way into the college game, and I hate that. I've also noticed that they let travels go uncalled when someone is catching a pass. Someone will catch it off balance, have two feet established, and then take a full step back without a travel being called. That's a little more picky, but I still feel that it's a travel based on the rule.

Other calls that bother me:
Moving screens. If moving screens were called how they were originally intended, I truly believe 80+% of screens in today's college game would be illegal based off games that I've watched this year. If they're not going to call it, I guess that's fine, but they choose to call it here and there, and it baffles me because it happens throughout the entire game and they only call it once or twice.

The charge/block call bothers me too because it seems to me that refs call way too many charges in my opinion. I've seen several charges this year that should have been blocking fouls because the defender clearly got there late and was not established, yet a charge is called.
 
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If a defensive player jumps to defend a shot outside the 3 pt line and the offensive player JUMPS into him to get the foul, I say call the foul as charging or make no call.

You are dead right on screens. It's atrocious the hip checks they let the screener get away with.

I'm also tired of the body checks defenders get to make on ball handlers away from the basket.

Finally would that old 17ing coger that seems to think hanging on the rim, dancing in the endzone and diving in the endzone ARE threats to the game, and warrant ref's COMPLETE attention while the fundamental rules like travelingare worth ignoring pleasejust die already?
 
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gravedigger said:
the idea that jumping off your non pivot foot, is traveling?
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I've seen black and white videos where people don't jump off their non-pivot foot, but I don't think I've ever seen color videos where people couldn't jumpt off their non-pivot foot. Was it the 60's? Would you really want to return to that style basketball?
 
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Or dribbling at all? THey can make such better moves if all they have to do is run with the 17ing ball.
 
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the last person to really try to save this from happening was bobby knight. Once I saw that special where he slow mo analyzed todays game it opened my eyes to where I can't watch a game without shaking my head. Our team does it too.

I have seen kids being taught that early on now. Carrying the ball to change direction sharply while taking extra steps. The double hop on the entry pass under the hoop, etc...
 
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You can lift your pivot foot off the ground in order to pass or shoot. You can't lift it off the ground to dribble. I don't know if the rule has ever been different, but it hasn't been different in the last 20 years.<div>
</div><div>I bet you do get frustrated watching basketball, as basically every single layup or dunk off of one foot is a travel in your mind. </div>
 
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msudawg200 said:
Especially in college. The NBA has let traveling go for years now, but it's starting to creep it's way into the college game, and I hate that. I've also noticed that they let travels go uncalled when someone is catching a pass. Someone will catch it off balance, have two feet established, and then take a full step back without a travel being called. That's a little more picky, but I still feel that it's a travel based on the rule.

Other calls that bother me:
Moving screens. If moving screens were called how they were originally intended, I truly believe 80+% of screens in today's college game would be illegal based off games that I've watched this year. If they're not going to call it, I guess that's fine, but they choose to call it here and there, and it baffles me because it happens throughout the entire game and they only call it once or twice.

The charge/block call bothers me too because it seems to me that refs call way too many charges in my opinion. I've seen several charges this year that should have been blocking fouls because the defender clearly got there late and was not established, yet a charge is called.
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I think they call too many charges. The defender is supposed to have his feet established. Instead, they call charges when the defender is on his toes, leaning away and about to fall down on their own.

Kinda like the way jump balls are being called. The defender brushes fingertips to the ball and it's a jump ball. Stupid.
 
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So many people talk about traveling who don't actually understand what traveling is or isn't. I see it every game. Fans in the stands, people in sports bars signaling for traveling on a play that obviously WASN'T traveling (if you understand the rules)
 
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what I dont get why a player has to pivot at all once he's picked up his dribble, if he can abandon the pivot foot by passing or shooting. He has effectively gained position by being able to take a large step without the obligation of dribbling.

The nba has all sorts of rules to prevent this. They do not allow the jab step or the side step and with good reason. It allows a player who hasnt released the ball to gain a different position on the court without the obligation of dribbling.

The problem I have with the rule is that being able to pickup your pivot foot to pass or shoot is still a violation of the fundamental of basketball that requires dribbling or the attempt to start.

I equate this to the 'dropped third strike rule' in baseball. It has AN application that makes sense. At the same time, it VIOLATES a simple principle of the game.
 
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If I had 2-bits for every time one of those showboating hooligans molested the rim during their own layup.... then I'd be as rich as John D. Rockefeller
 
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that didnt do it for you?
 
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It is really my only disgust with today's rules. I like that the NCAA has enacted the under the basket rule like the NBA. I also thought the NBA had enacted a rule that punished intentional flopping, where ref's were to make no call and the league could possibly fine the player afterward (although I have not heard anyone getting fined).

However, and I know this is far fetched because of the extreme subjectivity to the play, but I wish the defender would not be allowed to purposely step in the way of the ball handler, just to get his feet set with no intentions to make a defensive move of any kind. That's just a ****** way to play in my opinion. Obviously, offensive fouls need to be called in certain situations where the ball handler obviously is out of control or blatantly runs over the defender, but the defender should not be able to step in the way strictly to draw a charge.

You see this way too often in college.
 
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You mention traveling and I agree 100%.

Also carrying the ball during the dribble. Players aren't required to dribble with their hand on the top of the ball anymore. They catch underneath and roll it over. It is what it is and you just get used to it. Especially when it is called equally for both sides.
 
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I've seen that turn over called plenty of times in this season alone.
 
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exactly
 
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They still call traveling also, it is just called differently. What was carrying in 1985 is now a normal dribble. Watch Kobe. His every bounce of the ball would have been called carrying years ago. Every freaking bounce. It is called much differently, which is fine by me. Rules are kinda changed over time. Like the strike zone is called like the book says.
 
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I think I've seen ONE (1) called in the last 15 years... on all levels basketball.
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then pivoting off one foot, and thenrasing it, and jumping off the non pivot foot.

And I'm still waiting on the answer as to why there is a pivot foot in the first place if you can jump off the non pivot.
 
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To question 1: Clearly, you can move a lot further if you can switch pivots or jump off your non-pivot. This allows you a greater range of movement and thus more difficult to guard<div>
</div><div>Question 2: You shouldn't be able to. The pivot foot should not be moved unless you jump off it directly.</div>
 
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