Besides the obvious rivalry, I'd like to know why
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It's complicated.
Overall I like Ole Miss, like my family members and friends that are Ole Miss Alums. Even like being up there. But there is something that bothers me about this state, and Ole Miss unfortunately represents and sometimes foments that. And you can't really escape it when in Oxford.
I graduated State, left home and lived in major metropolitan areas for almost 15 years and have recently moved back. I'm happy I did but there are just some things that are so much more evident about this State after being away. Now, I'm not trying to say I'm so sophisticated city folk now, that's not it at all. But as I've gotten older I've come to the conclusion I hate nostalgia. Every time I hear someone bringing up some mythical history about the State of MS, or Ole Miss, it drives me crazy. Time to look forward people, the good old days weren't so damn good anyways. We're pretty much bringing up the rear in every measurable category. But as long as folks can talk about Ms Americas, or the Grove, or their Garden Club, yada yada yada nobody seems to care. What really bothers me the most is that most Ole Miss fans revel in their 'tradishuns' and from someone with more of an outsiders perspective these days it seems so damn silly. Having a proud history can be a good thing but it can also be a curse. And it's this mythical history that so many of them constantly try to beat us over the head with.
Take 'Gameday' for instance. Sure it's nice, but it shouldn't be that huge of a deal. People still have the 'little old MS' mentality. They've finally come to the Grove, the most beautiful campus in America, blah blah blah. We, Ole Miss and State, are in the SEC. We are in the premier power conference, Game Day will become a regular thing for us. Hell we may get Gameday on the 11th, or at least be in consideration if we beat aTm. Being top 25 will become a regular thing for us.
This weekend doesn't hearken back to some glory days, it signals the future. I think State fans get it, at least I hope so, because we aren't bound by our past.
Overall I like Ole Miss, like my family members and friends that are Ole Miss Alums. Even like being up there. But there is something that bothers me about this state, and Ole Miss unfortunately represents and sometimes foments that. And you can't really escape it when in Oxford.
I graduated State, left home and lived in major metropolitan areas for almost 15 years and have recently moved back. I'm happy I did but there are just some things that are so much more evident about this State after being away. Now, I'm not trying to say I'm so sophisticated city folk now, that's not it at all. But as I've gotten older I've come to the conclusion I hate nostalgia. Every time I hear someone bringing up some mythical history about the State of MS, or Ole Miss, it drives me crazy. Time to look forward people, the good old days weren't so damn good anyways. We're pretty much bringing up the rear in every measurable category. But as long as folks can talk about Ms Americas, or the Grove, or their Garden Club, yada yada yada nobody seems to care. What really bothers me the most is that most Ole Miss fans revel in their 'tradishuns' and from someone with more of an outsiders perspective these days it seems so damn silly. Having a proud history can be a good thing but it can also be a curse. And it's this mythical history that so many of them constantly try to beat us over the head with.
Take 'Gameday' for instance. Sure it's nice, but it shouldn't be that huge of a deal. People still have the 'little old MS' mentality. They've finally come to the Grove, the most beautiful campus in America, blah blah blah. We, Ole Miss and State, are in the SEC. We are in the premier power conference, Game Day will become a regular thing for us. Hell we may get Gameday on the 11th, or at least be in consideration if we beat aTm. Being top 25 will become a regular thing for us.
This weekend doesn't hearken back to some glory days, it signals the future. I think State fans get it, at least I hope so, because we aren't bound by our past.
it was 1976 ..........
at a game we won pretty easily. Anybody that was there would remember what happened at halftime when a former State player was honored. A State player that had broken his neck and was slowly recovering. The om crowd reaction was disgusting.
at a game we won pretty easily. Anybody that was there would remember what happened at halftime when a former State player was honored. A State player that had broken his neck and was slowly recovering. The om crowd reaction was disgusting.
If you really want to get an understanding of the Ole Miss attitude, beliefs, and culture, go sit in the 19th hole at the Jackson Country Club on a Saturday afternoon in July, and just listen. You will have your answer.
Ole Miss really dialed up their private investigations and went nuts after Tommy Kelly and Demtrick Wright celebrated Flipmas with us. Now, the Rebs are cool with flipping. Those flippers didn't really work out for us either, much like their flippers.
Oh c'mon, don't you recognize hyperbole and ******** when you read it on a message board? But...yeah...if Iran had a football team, and they played you in a football game, I wouldn't pull for you to win. I would want you to be embarrassed that you lost to 17'n Iran in a football game.
I don't hate individual UM fans. I have friends who are UM fans.....
What makes me 'hate' UM, aside from the sports rivalry, is the pretentiousness, elitist culture and mentality that is fostered there. It is a clear air of "we are better than you" including the dressing to the nines for a football game, the ridiculous sight of china and chandeliers in a tailgate tent to the general attitude displayed by a large percentage of their alumni and supporters even beyond athletics. I know that far from everybody from either school fits a stereotype, or perhaps even prototype, but UM folks tend more to be from historically well-to-do families. Children of privilege that live by who you know and who you associate with. Social connections, appearance, and the right behavior are extremely important. MSU folks tend to be 'self-made'. More likely to come from middle class families that value hard work and achievement over being well connected. Less concerned with who you know or what you look like versus what you know and what you can do.
Now I know one could find those types in both groups but each one is clearly predominant and/or more valued in each culture.
It all goes back to the very reason MSU was founded as a separate institution in 1878. This divergent cultural paradigm is very distinct to this day and fosters this 'hatred' we speak of.
What makes me 'hate' UM, aside from the sports rivalry, is the pretentiousness, elitist culture and mentality that is fostered there. It is a clear air of "we are better than you" including the dressing to the nines for a football game, the ridiculous sight of china and chandeliers in a tailgate tent to the general attitude displayed by a large percentage of their alumni and supporters even beyond athletics. I know that far from everybody from either school fits a stereotype, or perhaps even prototype, but UM folks tend more to be from historically well-to-do families. Children of privilege that live by who you know and who you associate with. Social connections, appearance, and the right behavior are extremely important. MSU folks tend to be 'self-made'. More likely to come from middle class families that value hard work and achievement over being well connected. Less concerned with who you know or what you look like versus what you know and what you can do.
Now I know one could find those types in both groups but each one is clearly predominant and/or more valued in each culture.
It all goes back to the very reason MSU was founded as a separate institution in 1878. This divergent cultural paradigm is very distinct to this day and fosters this 'hatred' we speak of.
I agree completely. I would go further and say that the Ole Miss types are very insecure while MSU types are more comfortable with their place in the world.
I was accepted to and had academic scholly offers from all the schools I applied to (and one I didn't even apply to: Memphis), most of them SEC. I narrowed my choices down to UT (being a Tennessean) and UM and State (parents from the Delta). UT screwed me on the scholly, so they were out. I visited UM, then State. The difference was striking.
At UM, the only questions I was asked by the student recruiters/guides were along the lines of, "What does your daddy do? What kind of car do you have? What sorority was your mother in?"
At State the questions I got were, "What are you planning on majoring in? What are plans for after graduation, going into the job market or grad school? What are your goals?" Additionally, I was given recommendations on good/bad professors, campus life, etc. It was like day and night. I still regard State as a second home and as an extended family because of the way I was treated.
At UM, the only questions I was asked by the student recruiters/guides were along the lines of, "What does your daddy do? What kind of car do you have? What sorority was your mother in?"
At State the questions I got were, "What are you planning on majoring in? What are plans for after graduation, going into the job market or grad school? What are your goals?" Additionally, I was given recommendations on good/bad professors, campus life, etc. It was like day and night. I still regard State as a second home and as an extended family because of the way I was treated.
message boards
Comments sections of articles, and call in rado shows. I never really had a problem with them until I found out what they thought about us. The ones I know are mostly nice in person, but I know the general attitude now. USM fans on the other hand are horrible in person and worse when hiding behind a computer screen. I actually dislike them more as a fan base, but since they are irrelevant, I can ignore them.
Comments sections of articles, and call in rado shows. I never really had a problem with them until I found out what they thought about us. The ones I know are mostly nice in person, but I know the general attitude now. USM fans on the other hand are horrible in person and worse when hiding behind a computer screen. I actually dislike them more as a fan base, but since they are irrelevant, I can ignore them.
Because they're inferior in every known way
They call themselves "The Flagship" of Mississippi. Congratulations, Mississippi is last in everyknown economic and education indicator. Your "leadership" has turned poor blacks and whites against education. Your lawyers graduated from a 3rd rate LawSchool, and your only goal is "Jackpot Justice", doing your damndest to destroy business and the economy in Our State.
I can see why Texas, or Michigan, or even Alabama has a "sense of superiority"...at least they actually won National Championships in sports and turned out decent political leaders. Mississippi? Like noted alums like Theodore *****? Ross Barnett? Trent Lott?
Their best alums died at Gettysburg. What was left was either deserters who ran away, or were too crippled to breed properly, or were too weak to move to a better life out West. What was left spent generations in-breeding in The Grove or Rebel Club dinners...which explains why their eyes are so close together and are slack-jawed.
They had to bring a Texas man like Johnny Vaught to give them any football success, and he did it with strong, hard-nosed, hard-working country boys....in other words, MISSISSIPPI STATE MEN. Vaught knew he couldn't win with Ole Miss Fauntleroy Prissypants IV-types. What's been annoying for the past decades is the Femme-boys gravy-training on the backs of their football team.
Another thing- Ole Miss "Christians" put Ole Miss ahead of Jesus Christ. You have preachers like Guy Odom who attack other people because they root for their rival...Reverend Guy and the rest of the "Rebels at Church"-types need to be reminded that if their "witness" cause one soul to burn in eternity in everlasting damnation (because they think that if ALL Christians are like them, they don't want to be there), perhaps things might not go as swimmingly for them when they face the Judgement Throne.
They call themselves "The Flagship" of Mississippi. Congratulations, Mississippi is last in everyknown economic and education indicator. Your "leadership" has turned poor blacks and whites against education. Your lawyers graduated from a 3rd rate LawSchool, and your only goal is "Jackpot Justice", doing your damndest to destroy business and the economy in Our State.
I can see why Texas, or Michigan, or even Alabama has a "sense of superiority"...at least they actually won National Championships in sports and turned out decent political leaders. Mississippi? Like noted alums like Theodore *****? Ross Barnett? Trent Lott?
Their best alums died at Gettysburg. What was left was either deserters who ran away, or were too crippled to breed properly, or were too weak to move to a better life out West. What was left spent generations in-breeding in The Grove or Rebel Club dinners...which explains why their eyes are so close together and are slack-jawed.
They had to bring a Texas man like Johnny Vaught to give them any football success, and he did it with strong, hard-nosed, hard-working country boys....in other words, MISSISSIPPI STATE MEN. Vaught knew he couldn't win with Ole Miss Fauntleroy Prissypants IV-types. What's been annoying for the past decades is the Femme-boys gravy-training on the backs of their football team.
Another thing- Ole Miss "Christians" put Ole Miss ahead of Jesus Christ. You have preachers like Guy Odom who attack other people because they root for their rival...Reverend Guy and the rest of the "Rebels at Church"-types need to be reminded that if their "witness" cause one soul to burn in eternity in everlasting damnation (because they think that if ALL Christians are like them, they don't want to be there), perhaps things might not go as swimmingly for them when they face the Judgement Throne.
its all about the people you know. im indifferent to the campus but i loathe the people...and i hold a degree from both schools. that said, the people i associate with that also like ole miss arent the rah rah types. i can deal with realists, as i consider myself one.
Not all Rebels are bad
I don't hate all Rebels. Some of my best friends are Rebels. These are good Rebels.
Problem is, some of the other Rebels don't know their place.
I don't hate all Rebels. Some of my best friends are Rebels. These are good Rebels.
Problem is, some of the other Rebels don't know their place.
Clearly you've never seen many Persian women.
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I grew up a State 'fan' as a kid. I had family on both sides of the fence and we always gave each other funny jabs at gatherings, but I never really had a hate for OM, I just pulled for my team. However, when I got to college at State it was like a light switch and the hate became real. Through social events with OM students and a few road trips to Egg Bowls in Oxford my disdain for them became evident. And honestly, probably the fact I started picking up message boards in college helped fuel the fire as well. I respect the community and academic programs the university has, but I literally could care less to ever see them win a game in any athletic sport.
I don't care what anyone says, success in OM's athletic department hurts State, and visa versa. I want their athletic throats squashed. Question for the one's that have been around a while, has the hate ever been this strong among the schools in years past?
I don't care what anyone says, success in OM's athletic department hurts State, and visa versa. I want their athletic throats squashed. Question for the one's that have been around a while, has the hate ever been this strong among the schools in years past?
R7 if you would look in the mirror you would see what many have tried to put into words in this thread. You hate MSU with all your heart yet your two faced *** hangs out over here pretending to be whatever it is you`re... well pretending to be. Far too many of your school`s following are just like you...shallow, phony and pretentious. Yea we have our whack fans but you guys are over the top when it comes to 17ed up fan bases.
When I was a youngster say 10 years of age, I went with my family to an egg bowl game in Oxford. I had to walk past the student section to get to the concession stand and I was wearing my Mississippi State shirt and ball cap. As I walked past one of the students sections a guy student stopped to look down at me and said "17 you state". He walked to his seat high-fiving all his gay *** friends while I went crying back to my family. That along with some other personal experiences is why I will never root for them and they can all go 17 themselves. Period
Go to an Egg Bowl in Oxford and wear maroon if you really want to develop a hatred for them. In 08, I had my maroon covered up because I was sitting in the student section and knew we were about to get slaughtered, but I got pretty mad hearing some of the condescending talk around me, the students yelling "17 state... 17 state" during our fight song in the place of Go State... Go State, the taunts when McRae broke his leg, etc. Then in 2012, I had a red pom pom waved in my face, got asked how I enjoyed the running water and electricity, my wife got harassed by a drunk sorority girl, and we were by the section that tossed a drink on our cheerleaders. My hate really kindled after that. Won't ever go back to Oxford I don't think. Also, of the small handful of people who went to ole miss from my high school, all but maybe 1 are extremely arrogant. I do know a few decent bears, but they seem to be the exception not the rule.
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Shyster lawyers. Douche swoop hair cuts. Posters like Bipolar on nafoom, ranchreb on rivals, everybody on the spirit.
There would be a rivalry anyway, but its the OM elitist, arrogant, snooty, condescending "We are OM and we are better than you because We are OM" attitude that fuels the bitterness in the rivalry IMO. If you watched the SEC special when the SEC Network started about the different SEC schools and watched the Shep Smith piece in that, he embodied everything that MSU hates about people like him with that attitude I just described.
Any pretension from OM fans is overcompensation
You nailed it. This deserves the slow-clap gif.
I had this typed up yesterday, but my browser crashed before I got to post it. I'll attempt to summarize.
Any pretension from OM fans, the claim of "elitism," is classic overcompensation for identity deficiencies, not qualities based on measurable criteria that can be quantified.
1. Are admission standards not the same between MSU and OM, due to some IHL rule? (I'm too lazy to investigate.) But any claim of superior academic environment or output was abandoned years--decades--ago. Literally any State grad could've applied and attended OM.
2. Is tuition/attendance cost not also roughly equivalent? So why would anybody attempt to claim that attendance at OM is some statement of wealth? As somebody previously noted, wouldn't an extravagant private tuition better match the gaudy spectacle of chandeliers, tents, and cold chicken? And what are those trappings other than affectation? Yet that's very much a part of the pretension--that everybody at the Grove pretends to be "from money," in some form.
3. Of the two schools, OM attracts the sidewalk fans. Case in point: one of the dumbest people with whom I'm forced to associate, extended family by marriage, is a rabid OM fan. She never attended college, probably didn't finish high school, and has never so much as set foot in Oxford.
That's a cold realization that the actual OM graduate-fan ignores, though: for every actual OM graduate wearing red pants and pretending to be nouveau riche, there's probably three or four dumbass sidewalk fans who are all HAWWWDY TAWWDY!!1 and waving rebel flags.
These factors all contribute to a general dickishness in their fanbase, no doubt: in psychiatric terms, it's simple overcompensation. Those who attend Om do so because they attribute importance to pretending to be aristocracy.
By comparison, those who attend State generally do for more pragmatic qualifications. As State rises in terms of academic or athletic achievement, those OM sympathizers whose identity depends on an assumed, albeit illegitimate, claimed superiority over State lash out. 90% of the negative anecdotes about their fans in this thread describe that lashing out behavior.
You nailed it. This deserves the slow-clap gif.
I had this typed up yesterday, but my browser crashed before I got to post it. I'll attempt to summarize.
Any pretension from OM fans, the claim of "elitism," is classic overcompensation for identity deficiencies, not qualities based on measurable criteria that can be quantified.
1. Are admission standards not the same between MSU and OM, due to some IHL rule? (I'm too lazy to investigate.) But any claim of superior academic environment or output was abandoned years--decades--ago. Literally any State grad could've applied and attended OM.
2. Is tuition/attendance cost not also roughly equivalent? So why would anybody attempt to claim that attendance at OM is some statement of wealth? As somebody previously noted, wouldn't an extravagant private tuition better match the gaudy spectacle of chandeliers, tents, and cold chicken? And what are those trappings other than affectation? Yet that's very much a part of the pretension--that everybody at the Grove pretends to be "from money," in some form.
3. Of the two schools, OM attracts the sidewalk fans. Case in point: one of the dumbest people with whom I'm forced to associate, extended family by marriage, is a rabid OM fan. She never attended college, probably didn't finish high school, and has never so much as set foot in Oxford.
That's a cold realization that the actual OM graduate-fan ignores, though: for every actual OM graduate wearing red pants and pretending to be nouveau riche, there's probably three or four dumbass sidewalk fans who are all HAWWWDY TAWWDY!!1 and waving rebel flags.
These factors all contribute to a general dickishness in their fanbase, no doubt: in psychiatric terms, it's simple overcompensation. Those who attend Om do so because they attribute importance to pretending to be aristocracy.
By comparison, those who attend State generally do for more pragmatic qualifications. As State rises in terms of academic or athletic achievement, those OM sympathizers whose identity depends on an assumed, albeit illegitimate, claimed superiority over State lash out. 90% of the negative anecdotes about their fans in this thread describe that lashing out behavior.
Nail meet head....
Excellent summation. The very fact that the exact same students who attend MSU can just as easily attend UM is most telling. It also leaves one mystified as to what drives the reasoning for the faux elitism that exists on the plantation? I think you have identified it very well.
Excellent summation. The very fact that the exact same students who attend MSU can just as easily attend UM is most telling. It also leaves one mystified as to what drives the reasoning for the faux elitism that exists on the plantation? I think you have identified it very well.
I've disliked Ole Miss since the early evening of October 5, 2001.
I remember the moment well. I was a Freshman at State and came home that one weekend in October when we had an away game. I ran into a girl I knew in High School that ended up going to Ole Miss. I was sincerely proud of this girl for making it to college. We both came from similar backgrounds (hard working, divorced parents that gave us what they could yet couldn't afford to fork over tuition). I had full academic scholarships to both schools and decided to go to State after visiting in late March 2001 (the place felt like home and had the nicest most considerate folks I could ever hope to meet...we all know that feeling we got when we first visited). This girl ended up with a "Lucky Day" scholarship from Ole Miss - and I was proud of her. She was rising above and bettering her self.
I took note that she was dressed a little uppity for a county fair (especially from her background) - but we were all big shots coming home from college for the first time, so I didn't think anything of it. I started telling her how excited I was for her and asking her how she was enjoying her time. It became clear really quick that she was now "too good" for me...though she was not attractive and came from the same background (maybe even a little lower on that scale, but I didn't think that way). She acted like she didn't even want to be seen with me. She then said: "You went to STATE, right?" It was the way she said it - and the look on her face - that did it for me. I suddenly realized this little pig-nosed b1tch thought she was better than me after being at Ole Miss for all of 2 months. I never forgot that moment. And that's not the last time I ran into someone like that. They get that attitude around there. I am not one to change my character or beliefs for others - and I would have been miserable at school there.
On another note - I've talked to other friends that went to State and had good friends go to Ole Miss, and many of those folks that went to Ole Miss are flat out racist now. I get it - we all grew up around folks that were racist, and some folks didn't have the sense to rise above that. But these folks didn't develop that attitude until they went to Ole Miss. That's sad. I've got a lot of friends that went to OM and support OM (in fact, most of my close friends are OM alums - just a nature of my business now)...but they can stick their heads in the turd bucket just like Kimmie can - that one little B that opened my eyes to problem.
There's sports reasons too.
I remember the moment well. I was a Freshman at State and came home that one weekend in October when we had an away game. I ran into a girl I knew in High School that ended up going to Ole Miss. I was sincerely proud of this girl for making it to college. We both came from similar backgrounds (hard working, divorced parents that gave us what they could yet couldn't afford to fork over tuition). I had full academic scholarships to both schools and decided to go to State after visiting in late March 2001 (the place felt like home and had the nicest most considerate folks I could ever hope to meet...we all know that feeling we got when we first visited). This girl ended up with a "Lucky Day" scholarship from Ole Miss - and I was proud of her. She was rising above and bettering her self.
I took note that she was dressed a little uppity for a county fair (especially from her background) - but we were all big shots coming home from college for the first time, so I didn't think anything of it. I started telling her how excited I was for her and asking her how she was enjoying her time. It became clear really quick that she was now "too good" for me...though she was not attractive and came from the same background (maybe even a little lower on that scale, but I didn't think that way). She acted like she didn't even want to be seen with me. She then said: "You went to STATE, right?" It was the way she said it - and the look on her face - that did it for me. I suddenly realized this little pig-nosed b1tch thought she was better than me after being at Ole Miss for all of 2 months. I never forgot that moment. And that's not the last time I ran into someone like that. They get that attitude around there. I am not one to change my character or beliefs for others - and I would have been miserable at school there.
On another note - I've talked to other friends that went to State and had good friends go to Ole Miss, and many of those folks that went to Ole Miss are flat out racist now. I get it - we all grew up around folks that were racist, and some folks didn't have the sense to rise above that. But these folks didn't develop that attitude until they went to Ole Miss. That's sad. I've got a lot of friends that went to OM and support OM (in fact, most of my close friends are OM alums - just a nature of my business now)...but they can stick their heads in the turd bucket just like Kimmie can - that one little B that opened my eyes to problem.
There's sports reasons too.
Don't think so. After the '01 beat down administered to the Rebs, Dr. Lee (good guy, but a dork) was told by Khyatt that he could not guarantee his safety at the 2002 egg bowl. That was when hate was the strongest and when JG started throwing muff around like it was a Frisbee.
I have three good friends who are huge UM fans and i get along with them great. I think most of their fans are much like our fans, the difference is we let them get in our heads (I think it is some kind of collective inferiority complex).
I wish more of our fans took the view of "that's just little ole miss, we dominate them in most sports." And would stop the "they think they're better than us" sentiment.
Let's think we are better than them, and not worry about what they think. I much more want to beat Bama this year than UM.
One thing is for sure, their propaganda machine is much better than ours.
I wish more of our fans took the view of "that's just little ole miss, we dominate them in most sports." And would stop the "they think they're better than us" sentiment.
Let's think we are better than them, and not worry about what they think. I much more want to beat Bama this year than UM.
One thing is for sure, their propaganda machine is much better than ours.