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[Stick Kitty]

There's two he wouldn't have gotten because the Raney's were going to Iowa until a big late offer.

DeLuca, Ludington and both their fathers are 100% all in with Tom and Terry; they were a huge reason they went there (especially DeLuca). They just hauled in 5 very good recruits for the 27 class, and have a great headstart on the 28 class with two more.

26 was a big disappointment losing Bo and thereby Melvin along with the Raney's but they were in on all those kids to the point that they had all four.

While you are not wrong, but a lot of really good coaches could become even better recruiters just by walking into the parents home wearing an Iowa shirt. Imo Scwhab would do just as well if not better asking a parent for their son. Plus I think he sniffs out talent better. Not saying Schwab is the answer but have Tom go to a house in a UNI shirt and see how it goes nowadays. His Vtech aura he oncepossessed is long removed.
Bottom line. All elite kids can't all go to PSU so insert random coach from Iowa and you will be better off than most everyone. Dont think Brands is the only one who can drive a corvette.

 

[Stick Kitty]

NIL valuations for football and wrestling are night and day. Also the money you speak of I assume is Bob's $ and he's said when Tom is done he's done donating. When Tom does retire some of you people are in for a rude awakening

Program is bigger than 1 coach and 1 donor. And Bob stop enabling TnT. Then again spend away on desperate NIL lineup voids. Just mark 141 & 157 as depreciation hits.

 

[BrianLafevre]

Does DT, without huge $$$ from Richison, get the recruits at Iowa that he got at OSU?? And I say that with great respect on what Bob does for the program, but Richison is a billionaire.

Yes. Do not underestimate the influence the younger studs like Taylor have on recruits.

 

[Libertylover]

I think most of us on this board are willing to take that chance...

Bring in Askren. He'd be top 2 or 3 year one with his former AWA academy kids portaling in. Plus, the product on the mat would be a lot of fun to watch!

He wasn’t serious, just slamming Iowa, who he hates. He is much too sick to take any big time college job at this time. Wisconsin would be something he would consider, and that hasn’t happened. Nolf is looking to be a head coach, he may work, but better have connections with a money guy to replace Bob.

 

[A Fistful of Hawkeyes]

You do recall he almost died a couple months ago and is a double lung transplant recipient? He's going to have his hands full health wise for the foreseeable future.

He's going to have has hands full for the rest of his life. And this is awful to think about (although it's true) it'll be a miracle if he's still with us in a decade.

 

[Slim45]

But if NIL Go is putting a cap on deals why would a big donor matter as much anymore?

It a coincidence that we got a massive recruiting haul after the nil clearinghouse was implemented? I doubt it

 

[UNIHawk]

Yes. Do not underestimate the influence the younger studs like Taylor have on recruits.

I'm not, DT certainly appeals to young recruits, I'm making the case that Richison is more important.

First off DT wouldn't even be there without Richison flipping the bill for his salary along with very well paid assistants.

Jax was OSU before DT even got there (not officially); goes back to his NC days with Coleman Scott. Had Coleman gotten that job, Jax would have went there also.

Hamiti, Hendrickson and Amine were flipped before DT. JJ McComus, Ronny Ramirez, Merrill were all committed before DT.

Raney's were Iowa's until swayed by $$. Vega was flipped by $$ (I know this one for a fact). My guess is Robideau (and this one's just a guess) was flipped by $$.

DT w/o Richison is appealing but it would have been a much slower grind to the top w/o Richison.

 

[A Fistful of Hawkeyes]

You can think whatever you want about me I also post under my own name so you can form that opinion. Keep hiding behind a screen name and yelling at clouds

Corby2 is your real name?
It's nice to meet your Mr. 2 or is it Number 2?!

 

[Corby2]

But if NIL Go is putting a cap on deals why would a big donor matter as much anymore?

Supplement the coaches salary like is happening in Stillwater and build up an RTC. Those things cost $ as well

 

[Corby2]

Program is bigger than 1 coach and 1 donor. And Bob stop enabling TnT. Then again spend away on desperate NIL lineup voids. Just mark 141 & 157 as depreciation hits.

And who would you have gotten at 141 and 157 instead?

 

[Anon1736006158]

And who would you have gotten at 141 and 157 instead?

Hmm, TNT could always, gee I don’t know, try recruiting top high school talent and actually developing them at those weights instead of scrambling for overpriced transfers every year to cover for their terrible recruiting efforts and team management.

 

[Corby2]

Hmm, TNT could always, gee I don’t know, try recruiting top high school talent and actually developing them at those weights instead of scrambling for overpriced transfers every year to cover for their terrible recruiting efforts and team management.

Like the classes they have coming in. You recruit the portal as well. Look around at other teams. Last year Oklahoma st had 4 or 5 guys who came in. So let everyone else get portal guys but stop recruiting the portal because Anon says so

 

[Anon1736006158]

Like the classes they have coming in. You recruit the portal as well. Look around at other teams. Last year Oklahoma st had 4 or 5 guys who came in. So let everyone else get portal guys but stop recruiting the portal because Anon says so

Haha oh, you mean the 2027 and 2028 classes? So we’re supposed to wait until 2028 or 2029 to be a serious program again? And that’s assuming Iowa can even hang onto those commits for the next two years. I’m just glad that after 18 seasons, Tom finally decided to take HS recruiting seriously.

Oklahoma State is rebuilding, so of course they’re going to lean on transfers for the first couple years. But with the way DT is recruiting top level talent (and seeing instant results), I’d bet good money that transfers become far less of a focus for him and his program moving forward. Then what excuse are you going to give us?

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

It a coincidence that we got a massive recruiting haul after the nil clearinghouse was implemented? I doubt it

I am not sure what you mean.

 

[Corby2]

Haha oh, you mean the 2027 and 2028 classes? So we’re supposed to wait until 2028 or 2029 to be a serious program again? And that’s assuming Iowa can even hang onto those commits for the next two years. I’m just glad that after 18 seasons, Tom finally decided to take HS recruiting seriously.

Oklahoma State is rebuilding, so of course they’re going to lean on transfers for the first couple years. But with the way DT is recruiting top level talent (and seeing instant results), I’d bet good money that transfers become far less of a focus for him and his program moving forward. Then what excuse are you going to give us?

The portal guys were already going before John retired. I'm not making any excuses. I call it like I see it and I see people overreacting to a November dual loss. If they won today you wouldn't be posting any of this

 

[Anon1736006158]

The portal guys were already going before John retired. I'm not making any excuses. I call it like I see it and I see people overreacting to a November dual loss. If they won today you wouldn't be posting any of this

You’re wrong but whatever. I’ve been pointing out the same issues for five years, because nothing has changed. I’ll be here in March too and we will see who was right. Have a good night.

 

[MVPFAN]

And who would you have gotten at 141 and 157 instead?

The answer is they should have recruited people at the appropriate time to fill those spots. Not only has their recruiting in general been bad but the ability to plan recruiting around filling future needs has been bad. They wouldn't have needed to role the dice on the LR guys.

 

[cjr1310]

Supplement the coaches salary like is happening in Stillwater and build up an RTC. Those things cost $ as well

I’m not in the move on from Brands camp after 1 duel loss and I do think the recruiting had been much better the last few years, but has Iowa shown any desire to build up the RTC under Brands? This seems to be an area where they are severely lacking and the impression I’ve gotten is Tom views the RTC as a way to keep guys around as practice partners for the college team, not bring in guys to win world medals.

 

[Slim45]

I am not sure what you mean.

I mean, the other big $ programs (psu/osu) couldn’t swoop in with massive offers, just so they wouldn’t end up in iowa city. Similar to the Raneys

 

[Hawx224]

The answer is they should have recruited people at the appropriate time to fill those spots. Not only has their recruiting in general been bad but the ability to plan recruiting around filling future needs has been bad. They wouldn't have needed to role the dice on the LR guys.

The problem is that you can’t just “recruit people at the appropriate time.” Recruits don’t pan out, guys choose to go elsewhere, etc. A lot of fans act like coaches have a huge influence when recruiting. The truth is it’s a lot more of a crapshoot than people think

 

[Evashevsky58]

If you get rid of Ferentz, fans will be begging for his 'mediocrity' in 3 years. If you get rid of Brands', I think that's the same.

Hawks got beat today, for the first time in 20 years by their rival. Get off the ledge, it's going to be OK.

Some of you need to breathe......

I am much more concerned with the pattern of performance from 141 and 157 this far this year than the loss to ISU. It’s early season and ISU has a solid team. How the team performs in March is absolutely what matters most. We used to beat PSU from time to time in duals then they would pound us at Nationals. Yesterday I thought Peterson looked much improved, same with Block. I think Keuter is not 100% and honestly looked better last year against Bastida. Ayala looked good the first half of the match, not sure what happened there, maybe Frost had a plan to conserve energy until later in the match because he went from 0 to 60 as the match went on. However I think new assistant coaches and an overhaul and emphasis on HWC is what would benefit us most right now.

i think Iowa will always be a top program because of the fans.

 

[WillieTheBrain]

But if NIL Go is putting a cap on deals why would a big donor matter as much anymore?

monster $$ offers (and payments) are still happening before they stepping foot on campus.

i won't pretend to know how that works and how it's in the clear, but they are, indeed, happening (at several places)

 

[Corby2]

monster $$ offers (and payments) are still happening before they stepping foot on campus.

i won't pretend to know how that works and how it's in the clear, but they are, indeed, happening (at several places)

Rev share $ doesn't have to get past the NIL Go clearinghouse. High school kids can be paid NIL but now that HS NIL $ needs to pass the clearinghouse as well within 2 weeks of enrollment it has to be filed with NIL Go. So these deals we are hearing about now are coming from rev share. Iowa St got Merrill with rev share $. Oklahoma st and Iowa also have rev share $ they can use. NIL Go is all backed up now and is taking 2 months in some cases to approve or deny deals. Out of just over 12k deals the clearinghouse has approved in all sports the average deal is just under $7,300

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

monster $$ offers (and payments) are still happening before they stepping foot on campus.

i won't pretend to know how that works and how it's in the clear, but they are, indeed, happening (at several places)

This was my stated concern on intermat when they implemented NIL Go, that it would just drive payments to the old, off the books format.

The NCAA rules are still trying to prevent things at the margin that the market wants. That rarely works as people will find creative work arounds.

 

[RuggieC]

I used to care a bunch about Iowa wrestling. I have two boys who both wrestled. Great sport. But I am one of those just plain tired of the Brands brothers. Time to move on to something else before we sink further into the shadows of other programs.

 

[Evashevsky58]

I used to care a bunch about Iowa wrestling. I have two boys who both wrestled. Great sport. But I am one of those just plain tired of the Brands brothers. Time to move on to something else before we sink further into the shadows of other programs.

With our fan base do you really think that the Iowa program will ever become irrelevant?

 

[Corby2]

This was my stated concern on intermat when they implemented NIL Go, that it would just drive payments to the old, off the books format.

The NCAA rules are still trying to prevent things at the margin that the market wants. That rarely works as people will find creative work arounds.

HS kids will now have to file all NIL deals with the clearinghouse once they enroll.

 

[MSU158]

Iowa will maybe win one match against PSU. Ditto for ISU.. I guess a big deal to lose to ISU but it certainly is not because ISU has gotten better... The Iowa program has come back to ISU's level. That is disturbing.

This is just patently false. ISU has the best team, BY FAR, that they have had since KJ took over the last of Sanderson's guys. Did you not pay attention to what each guy was ranked and how many of them have AA'd????

125: Poulin is an AA and two time R12 that is ranked in the top 10.
133: Frost is an AA and 1x R12 that is ranked in the top 6.
141: Echemendia is an AA and is ranked top 6.
149: Johnson is ranked TOP 2.....
157: Zerban is an AA and 1x R12 that is ranked 3rd.
165: Euton is their one "weak" spot and he is ranked 22nd.
174: Gaitan is an R12 that is ranked 11th.
184: Dean is an R16 and ranked 10th.
197: Elam is a 4X AA and ranked 2nd.
285: Bastida is an AA and 1X R12 and is ranked #1. Only things that have really held him back are injuries.

That is 6 AA's and basically 9 guys ranked in the top 10(Gaitan will move up). Saying that Iowa just fell back to ISU is as dumb an argument as blaming recruiting. Tell us you know nothing about the actual wrestling team other than the score..........

Look, I understand wanting more. I even understand wanting to blame someone. I just can't ignore when people make incredibly dumb points to make that argument. If you just said the situation sucks and you hate losing and Iowa needs to fix it, I wouldn't say you are wrong. But make sure you ACTUALLY know what you are talking about before going past that point...

 

[MSU158]

You’re wrong but whatever. I’ve been pointing out the same issues for five years, because nothing has changed. I’ll be here in March too and we will see who was right. Have a good night.

5 years? So you were complaining while they were the absolute best team in the country? Or you are just rounding 4 years and change up so that you can start right after they won it all?

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

HS kids will now have to file all NIL deals with the clearinghouse once they enroll.

I am talking about not reporting deals.

If you go by the NCAA data dashboard men's wrestling had the fewest number of deals approved by NIL Go between Jan 1 and Jul 31. It was between 1 and 2% of all deals (hard to tell with the pie slice not labeled because it is too small). And there appears to be a single deal worth more than $10k.

The average disclosed deal size is $880 and the median is $32. Yep, half the deals were enough to buy four Big Macs, which of course you wouldn't because you had to make weight.

 

[Corby2]

5 years? So you were complaining while they were the absolute best team in the country? Or you are just rounding 4 years and change up so that you can start right after they won it all?

Exactly he's clueless. He makes up BS

 

[Corby2]

I am talking about not reporting deals.

If you go by the NCAA data dashboard men's wrestling had the fewest number of deals approved by NIL Go between Jan 1 and Jul 31. It was between 1 and 2% of all deals (hard to tell with the pie slice not labeled because it is too small). And there appears to be a single deal worth more than $10k.

The average disclosed deal size is $880 and the median is $32. Yep, half the deals were enough to buy four Big Macs, which of course you wouldn't because you had to make weight.

NIL Go started in June. Also they have a 2 month backlog so many deals are in limbo currently. I haven't heard of any deals that are being paid to wrestlers and aren't being turned it yet. People act like deals weren't happening in sports prior to NIL people have been cheating forever and that will never stop.

 

[Random4598375]

This is just patently false. ISU has the best team, BY FAR, that they have had since KJ took over the last of Sanderson's guys. Did you not pay attention to what each guy was ranked and how many of them have AA'd????

125: Poulin is an AA and two time R12 that is ranked in the top 10.
133: Frost is an AA and 1x R12 that is ranked in the top 6.
141: Echemendia is an AA and is ranked top 6.
149: Johnson is ranked TOP 2.....
157: Zerban is an AA and 1x R12 that is ranked 3rd.
165: Euton is their one "weak" spot and he is ranked 22nd.
174: Gaitan is an R12 that is ranked 11th.
184: Dean is an R16 and ranked 10th.
197: Elam is a 4X AA and ranked 2nd.
285: Bastida is an AA and 1X R12 and is ranked #1. Only things that have really held him back are injuries.

That is 6 AA's and basically 9 guys ranked in the top 10(Gaitan will move up). Saying that Iowa just fell back to ISU is as dumb an argument as blaming recruiting. Tell us you know nothing about the actual wrestling team other than the score..........

Look, I understand wanting more. I even understand wanting to blame someone. I just can't ignore when people make incredibly dumb points to make that argument. If you just said the situation sucks and you hate losing and Iowa needs to fix it, I wouldn't say you are wrong. But make sure you ACTUALLY know what you are talking about before going past that point...

This doesn't detract from your overall point at all, but Paniro is the most overrated "#2" in the sport right now. He's more likely to be #2 on his team than #2 in the nation ever again. I'm also guessing Euton is done for a while or maybe for the year. He was limping badly on his already heavily braced knee. He's clearly not in any shape to wrestle, especially against someone as good as Cali.

 

[Anon1736006158]

5 years? So you were complaining while they were the absolute best team in the country? Or you are just rounding 4 years and change up so that you can start right after they won it all?

These issues were there even when they won. Iowa won in 2021 but PSU won Saturday night. We had one champ and they had several including winning two head to head vs us. We all know how’s it’s gone since that night.

 

[MSU158]

I think the biggest issue is recruiting. I don’t think they are great at evaluating talent. How many recruits(not transfers) have they brought in and won national championships in the last 10 yrs.

The top 5 p4p recruits typically are not of the Brands mold and thus aren't interested in Iowa. Perry might be the last wrestler that figured out a nemesis under Brands. That kind of stat is telling to recruits. If I were an opposing coach that's one I'd hammer home.

100. this has been the issue since 2010. They are way behind PSU and now OSU in recruiting. Its been below standard for 15 years outside of the Spencer Lee 2 year window. which resulted in a title. its not complicated. They are not good at recruiting. I dont even understand how its debatable at this point. Look at recruiting news.

Tell me you literally have no clue other than you want to complain about more than them not winning when you want them to.....

Look, their recruiting has been consistently better than everyone but PSU, PERIOD. The transfer portal is just important and even PSU has benefited greatly from it. Hell, their very best wrestler is a transfer(Mesenbrink). Don't forget Welsh and Nagao. Even a team that recruits that many top 10's still has 3 transfers.

Iowa has 7 or so top 10ish in the room RIGHT NOW! Deluca is top 10. Ayala was top 5. Block was top 20. Kennedy was top 5. Arnold was top 10. Ferrari was #1/2. Ludington was just outside top 10. Keuter was #1/2. Caliendo has been one of the best transfers possible in all of the country, excepting Mesenbrink. Peterson is proving to be a very promising transfer, giving DeLuca a year to mature. Bailey and Williams have a lot to prove, but I would rather they take their lumps now, than at NCAA's like the ASU guys did last year.

Finally, Iowa has Mocco coming in next year along with a BANNER class of '27. Simply put, the ISSUE is most certainly NOT recruiting. What it REALLY comes down to in March is HEALTH. They are consistently having multiple guys be so banged up that they either can't even go when it matters most, or are shells of themselves when they do. THAT is the biggest issue that needs fixing and I would love to hear someone in the actual know come up with a reason why it keeps happening and how it is being addressed...

 

[Wrestleknownothing]

NIL Go started in June. Also they have a 2 month backlog so many deals are in limbo currently. I haven't heard of any deals that are being paid to wrestlers and aren't being turned it yet. People act like deals weren't happening in sports prior to NIL people have been cheating forever and that will never stop.

You must have missed where I said "old, off the books format".

And I think it is quaint that you think you would be told about deals that violate rules. You have greater faith in your information gathering than I do.

 

[Zoe22]

If their recruiting is so good, how many of their recruits have won national championships in the last 10 years?

 

[MSU158]

These issues were there even when they won. Iowa won in 2021 but PSU won Saturday night. We had one champ and they had several including winning two head to head vs us. We all know how’s it’s gone since that night.

Be honest, are you even truly an Iowa fan? You seem like the person that always looks for the negative, when so much positive is staring you right in the face. Iowa was considerably better than one of the most dominant dynasties in all of sports, for 2 years in a row. One of those years was done during Covid and the other dealt with ridiculous Covid restrictions the following year.

Covid SLAMMED their momentum to a halt and messed up the entire plan with the new facility. Without Covid, they win 2 in a row, have that facility finished years earlier and they take huge advantage of that. Instead, their success gets diminished as much as humanly possible and they lose all momentum. NIL makes recruiting the wild west and the compliance department takes a hard line stance while all the other top schools are using it to the greyest areas possible.

Again, YES, it is entirely acceptable to want more. I completely understand that. But, MOST of you on here that are complaining the loudest have NO FRICKING IDEA what you are actually complaining about...

 

[Gusaford1]

Right diagnosis. Wrong proposed solution.

 

[Corby2]

You must have missed where I said "old, off the books format".

And I think it is quaint that you think you would be told about deals that violate rules. You have greater faith in your information gathering than I do.

And you just assume they're happening . The disconnect here is some don't understand the rev share piece and are still hearing deals that HS kids are being " offered" and assuming they're still NIL when in fact they're being told we can give you X amount per year and that $ is rev share $. Merrill at Iowa St is getting a solid deal but Iowa St had 1 million of rev share money and plan to raise that million again and donate it to the athletic department to then get it back in rev share $